One Piece General Discussion: Egghead

[Eseseso]

Proof?

Do you not remember how he knocked out Apoo?

 

[Kachon123]

Do you not remember how he knocked out Apoo?

I do. When did Zoro say Shishi Sonson?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Do you not remember how he knocked out Apoo?

He's a Zoro Downplayer because that means Zoro>Sanji

 

[Kachon123]

We can't claim that an attack was Shishi Sonson when Zoro didn't say it.

 

[Kachon123]

Zoro KO'd Apoo with raw AP

 

[Eseseso]

Zoro KO'd Apoo with raw AP

Believe me, I wish that was the case.

But the anime and the way he held his sword support the notion that he used an Iai attack.

Besides, how could he one-shot Apoo with 1 sword when his 2-sword Buso couldn't overpower Apoo.

 

[Kachon123]

Believe me, I wish that was the case.

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[Eseseso]

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I just don't think he did it with Raw AP, since with 2 swords he couldn't beat Apoo but he needed only 1 sword to one-shot him.

 

[Eminiteable]

Zoro KO'd Apoo with raw AP

Fr, Apoo and Drake can't compare with a serious Zoro

 

[Kachon123]

I just don't think he did it with Raw AP, since with 2 swords he couldn't beat Apoo but he needed only 1 sword to one-shot him.

We can't claim that an attack was Shishi Sonson when Zoro didn't say it.

 

[Kachon123]

Fr, Apoo and Drake can't compare with a serious Zoro

Zoro is him

 

[Eseseso]

Fr, Apoo and Drake can't compare with a serious Zoro

Well, duh.

But as much as I support Rooftop Zoro being >= Base Kidd, we can't use him one-shotting Apoo since that was with ShiShi SonSon.

 

[Kachon123]

When the **** did Zoro say Shishi Sonson???

This is literally willful Ignorance

 

[Eseseso]

When the **** did Zoro say Shishi Sonson???

He didn't say it, but he used the distinctive unsheathing and sheathing style that we only see for his Iai attacks.

 

[Kachon123]

He didn't say it, but he used the distinctive unsheathing and sheathing style that we only see for his Iai attacks.

Shishi Sonson = an Iai attack

All Iai attacks ≠ Shishi Sonson

 

[DaMonkeMan]

He's a Zoro Downplayer because that means Zoro>Sanji

There's a lot of evidence for that. People who spend their time trying to prove Sanji is above Zoro aren't really fans of him, just wankers.
Real fans appreciate his character, design, etc.

 

[Eminiteable]

Rooftop Zoro being >= Base Kidd

Punk Gibson is weak, shouldn't be scaling to big mom at all tbh.

 

[Eseseso]

He's a Zoro Downplayer because that means Zoro>Sanji

Not sure how that applies here, if anything Zoro one-shotting with AP and not dura neg like Kachon says is even more impressive.

Shishi Sonson = an Iai attack

All Iai attacks ≠ Shishi Sonson

That's fair.

That's further support for Buso Zoro > Base Kidd, which I consider an absolute win!

Punk Gibson is weak, shouldn't be scaling to big mom at all tbh.

I mean, Kidd did fight BM in his Base off-screen and was fine.

Also I wasn't the one who decided that Punk Gibson scaled to Big Meme. I agree with it but I didn't decide it.

 

[Kachon123]

Not sure how that applies here, if anything Zoro one-shotting with AP and not dura neg like Kachon says is even more impressive.

Which is why I ignored him

 

[Ped2018]

**** DaReaper man

 

[Eseseso]

So I guess that Zoro one-shotting Apoo (which makes him above Base Kidd) with an Iai attack would be an AP feat for his Buso Haki or something like that, since he was using Buso Haki beforehand.

 

[Eminiteable]

I mean, Kidd did fight BM in his Base off-screen and was fine.

Also I wasn't the one who decided that Punk Gibson scaled to Big Meme. I agree with it but I didn't decide it.

This doesn't mean much, we already know he can combat the Yonko from the rooftop but this justification means nothing when we don't know what happened; we don't know what attacks were used so he very well could have been using more powerful techniques than punk gibson.

Overpowered a BM attack meant for fodder (same reason Sanji & Luffy don't scale in WCI) and his metal arm left dust on her face which we see her shaking off a panel prior. He shouldn't scale at all with that attack.

 

[Kachon123]

So I guess that Zoro one-shotting Apoo (which makes him above Base Kidd) with an Iai attack would be an AP feat for his Buso Haki or something like that, since he was using Buso Haki beforehand.

There was no haki in that attack

 

[Eseseso]

This doesn't mean, we already know he can combat the Yonko from the rooftop but this justification means nothing when we don't know what happened; we don't know what attacks were used so he very well could have been using more powerful techniques than punk gibson.

Occam's razor, plus if his Punk Rotten got one-shot by BM using a single Homie I doubt his off-screen shit was that much stronger than his base.

Overpowered a BM attacked meant for fodder (same reason Sanji & Luffy don't scale in WCI) and his metal arm left dust on her face (which we see her shaking off a panel) prior. He shouldn't scale at all with that attack.

 

[Eseseso]

There was no haki in that attack

How do you know?

Also I don't think we could get away with Base Rooftop Zoro scaling above Base Kidd even though he absolutely should.

 

[Kachon123]

How do you know?

Because we see that there was no haki on his sword right before sheathing it. No reason to assume he applied haki.

 

[Darkvie123]

Use brain more and maybe you'd know

No monkeyb im a human afterall

 

[Darkvie123]

Law and Kidd vs Whitebeard

Prime WB? Primebeard makes both of them sushi

Stabilized Oldbeard? Still wins


Marineford WB with Sickness? Gets wrecked from them

 

[Eminiteable]

Occam's razor, plus if his Punk Rotten got one-shot by BM using a single Homie I doubt his off-screen shit was that much stronger than his base.

If Punk Rotten was one-shot by one homie BM then Punk Gibson which is a weaker technique shouldn't be scaling to Cognac BM at all.

 

[Eseseso]

Because we see that there was no haki on his sword right before sheathing it. No reason to assume he applied haki.

That makes sense.

Base Rooftop Zoro slaps Base Kidd, lfg.

 

[Eseseso]

If Punk Rotten was one-shot by one homie BM then Punk Gibson which is a weaker technique shouldn't be scaling to Cognac BM at all.

I mean that's a good point and I agree with you, but I'm not the one you need to convince.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Do characters scale to their durability by default if they're a physical fighter

 

[DaReaperMan]

Do characters scale to their durability by default if they're a physical fighter

No

 

[Kachon123]

Do characters scale to their durability by default if they're a physical fighter

No, but their Durability would scale to their AP.

 

[Darkvie123]

I do. When did Zoro say Shishi Sonson?

He said Lions Song which is Shishisonson in Japanese iirc

 

[Kachon123]

He said Lions Song which is Shishisonson in Japanese iirc

No he didn't.

 

[Eseseso]

Also, it's funny how all the tier lists I've seen put Apoo at Tobiroppo level when he has hurt 3 God Tiers (Kidd, Luffy, and Zoro), not to mention that even without his DF he still took a surprise-attack Punk Gibson from an enraged Kidd with only moderate injuries and could block stuff from Buso Zoro.

I mean, he's not YC1 level, but he is at minimum YC3-YC2 level.

Forgot to mention, he was able to hurt and draw blood from Maha with just a kick.

He got overpowered off-screen, but hurting Maha with just his physicals is still impressive.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

No monkeyb im a human afterall

Basically... You can't actually win a debate

Quickest explanation

 

[Kachon123]

hurting Maha with just his physicals is still impressive.

Not enough to put him above yc3 level.

 

[Darkvie123]

No he didn't.

the stance Zoro takes everytime he used Shi Sonson is always like that. Bc he doesnt mention the name of the attack doesnt mean he didnt use it. We have seen characters sometimes using abilities with named attacks but the same named attacks sometimes arent mentioned but still are used