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Exactly.
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One Piece Chapter 1083: The Truth About That Day (Fan Translation)
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DaMonkeMan
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Lucci only ROCK level????? Armament needed for a ROCK??
LMAO BUM JOB LUCCI AMIRITE ONLY SCALES TO ROCK LEVEL IMAGINE
LMAO BUM JOB LUCCI AMIRITE ONLY SCALES TO ROCK LEVEL IMAGINE
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Rocks is H6A wdym
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That's how he took an attack from Yamato and Momo!! They're not even wall level!!
Big Mom only building level??? She needed Homies to split a metal structure in half??
Can't believe we're near 1100 chapters into the story and you goons still haven't wrapped your head around how Logia and haki interact.
Haki allows a user to interact with the true body of a Logia, just how Luffy's haki infused attacks against Caesar didn't force his body break/disperse into gas while non-haki infused attacks did.
Him trying does not effect the durability of his Logia body, it's not meant to be durable in the first place.
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Him trying would 100% affect the durability. It's like how Kizaru could condense his Logia powers into a blade on par with Ray
DaMonkeMan
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Yeah no.
You're arguing that they're literally "wood level" for damaging Aramaki's Logia body which makes 0 sense.
His body still didn't break after Yamato hit it. Or after Momo bit it.
It's clear these aren't average branches and trees, other wise Yamato's hit would have split him in half.
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Wait, that's dumb, wood isn't gas, it's already solid.
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Kizaru can solidify his light into a sword is not the same as making his light body more durable (for no reason mind you), funny though that you mention Kizaru considering he's a direct example of what I'm talking about below: Brook and usopp attack kizaru and their attacks pass through his body while Rayleigh's attack stops Kizaru's kick as it interacts with his true body.
Are you purposefully being evasive or can you legitimately not read? What part of this did you miss or not understand:
Idk why you're obsessing over Momo when he never failed to damage his logia form, he bit through like he intended.
Are you serious? The element being solid or fluid makes no difference on it's functionality or how haki interacts with it.
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Yeah, because he is made of energy.
A Haki-less attack wouldn't just pass through solids though.
DaMonkeMan
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I'm trying to be respectful but in all honesty your argument is terrible dude
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Acting like Olin right now lmfao.
No way yall don't know how logais work.
Yamato could hurt Aramaki because she used Haki, which allowed her to interact with his True Body.
Morley, and the Scabbards being able to cut and pierce his Logia Body is no different than Zoro chopping at a tree with an axe, as fighting against Aramaki without sufficient Haki is the same as fighting against an infinitely regenerating tree.
No way yall don't know how logais work.
Yamato could hurt Aramaki because she used Haki, which allowed her to interact with his True Body.
Morley, and the Scabbards being able to cut and pierce his Logia Body is no different than Zoro chopping at a tree with an axe, as fighting against Aramaki without sufficient Haki is the same as fighting against an infinitely regenerating tree.
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That's dumb, why would hitting him with Haki make him more durable?
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It's because he's a logia and haki interacts with the true body of the user, similar to how luffy's rubber could interact with the true body of Enel.
It wouldn't you're right, it would break the wood just like the scabbards all did with ease
I really don't care if you're respectful or not as you're completely wrong on this.
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It doesn't, it interacts with his true body rather than the elemental body:
Ped2018
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My ninja Kachon, what you mean is that any attack from Logia users from now on that doesn't use Haki are gonna be ice/wood level?
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Read chapter 597.
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If they're fighting Ice or Wood logias, yes?
That's how we always treated shit like this.
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Done
What does "Even the fluid bodies of the near invincible logia fruit users can be forced into solidity" have to do with this?
DaMonkeMan
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This argument is actually frying my brain.
Like, this is the same manga where mechanical bulls could injure BM.
Same manga where Lucci was threatened by rocks being spat at him.
And y'all think it's bizarre for Aramaki to be durable in his wood form.
Mind you we scale people to Marco's Zoan forms despite him literally having the durability of ******* paper in that form, but okay.
Somehow Queen, King, etc. are H6A for piercing his Zoan dura which is literally just blue flames but piercing Aramaki gives you nothing.
Absolutely ridiculous. Can not believe people are spouting this utter malarkey.
Like, this is the same manga where mechanical bulls could injure BM.
Same manga where Lucci was threatened by rocks being spat at him.
And y'all think it's bizarre for Aramaki to be durable in his wood form.
Mind you we scale people to Marco's Zoan forms despite him literally having the durability of ******* paper in that form, but okay.
Somehow Queen, King, etc. are H6A for piercing his Zoan dura which is literally just blue flames but piercing Aramaki gives you nothing.
Absolutely ridiculous. Can not believe people are spouting this utter malarkey.
Ped2018
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Crocodile nor Akainu are... whatever
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Because their logia bodies don't have the durability of their true bodies?
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"fluid"
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Oda explicitly stated that his body is not like that of a Logia, but is instead physical, so there's absolutely nothing for you to argue against here.
Pure copium.
Are you forgetting that Midd used his Fruit Awakening with it?
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DaMonkeMan
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..It's still flames..
Not sure what this proves.
Also, Apoo getting hurt by Punk Gibson. Forgot about that?
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When explaining the difference between the Mera Mera no Mi, but more specifically, the difference between Zoans and Logias, Oda said this:
"Since he is a Zoan type, his body is still physical"
Logias' elemental bodies don't have the same durability as their True Bodies. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Otherwise we'll have Pre-Enies Lobby Robin being a God Tier, or have Loguetown Sanji scale massively above Smoker's Durability despite Smoker being physically superior to Luffy at the time.
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Okay?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Kidd not use his fruit to clunk his metal pieces together so that they don't disperse everywhere when they collide with a target?
DaMonkeMan
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"Marco's body is physical so Logias' elemental bodies don't have the same durability as their true bodies"
When explaining the difference between the Mera Mera no Mi, but more specifically, the difference between Zoans and Logias, Oda said this:
"Since he is a Zoan type, his body is still physical"
Logias' elemental bodies don't have the same durability as their True Bodies. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Otherwise we'll have Pre-Enies Lobby Robin being a God Tier, or have Loguetown Sanji scale massively above Smoker's Durability despite Smoker being physically superior to Luffy at the time.
What the **** are you talking about.
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What?
Ped2018
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While i do agree with you that they can have the same durability as their natural elements, it's still true that when they try, they can be as durable as they trained for
When explaining the difference between the Mera Mera no Mi, but more specifically, the difference between Zoans and Logias, Oda said this:
"Since he is a Zoan type, his body is still physical"
Logias' elemental bodies don't have the same durability as their True Bodies. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Otherwise we'll have Pre-Enies Lobby Robin being a God Tier, or have Loguetown Sanji scale massively above Smoker's Durability despite Smoker being physically superior to Luffy at the time.
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What are you talking about
I never claimed that they don't have durability. I'm saying that their logia bodies have the durability of the element they embody.
Their True Body, however does.
DaMonkeMan
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Now, aren't flames intangible?
This isn't the point oh my lord.
The point is that y'all act like someone breaking/piercing Aramaki's real body makes them only tree level which is an incredibly stupid take.
Throughout the series we see lots of moments where "ordinary things" have great or unordinary durability. It isn't unorthodox to say Aramaki's Logia body has H6A durability.
Otherwise, it would have broke up when Yamato hit him.
Before anyone tries to say something, we literally see this when Jozu rams into Kuzan.
Shattered him to pieces and made him bleed. Keep in mind Kuzan could take a kick from Marco and did this with just a regular, shaped piece of ice.
Ped2018
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And im saying that they can employ this durability of theirs into their attacks and whatnot if they want to, because guess what, their logia abilities are still their bodies
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Reread the SBS.
