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One Piece Chapter 1023: "Spitting Image" (Official Release)
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I'm hoping Smoothie will show up and save Pero's ass so she can actually do something
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I love Oda, but he wastes the potential of so many female characters that it's incredibly irritating.
Say what you will about Fairy Tail, but I can at least read/watch it without thinking "Hmm, how long until one of the main female characters gets captured?". Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's definitely less frequent and at least then the female characters can sometimes fight their way out (like Lucy has done).
Say what you will about Fairy Tail, but I can at least read/watch it without thinking "Hmm, how long until one of the main female characters gets captured?". Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's definitely less frequent and at least then the female characters can sometimes fight their way out (like Lucy has done).
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But we've got Nami, Ulti, Robin, Boa hancock, "Big mom", "Ivankow" and black maria. If anything, we already have many strong female characters, including female characters who've been hyped up to be strong.
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It's important to remember that Boa hancock here, has the most wins beside Zoro.
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You’re confusing female characters with female side characters
Nami in the first 100 chapters of One Piece had a better progression than a lot of characters in fiction.
Vivi was phenomenal.
Nico Robin, oh my god.
Pudding was done very well for the little she was on screen.
Ulti and Yamato are already fan favorites and are already some of the most interesting Wano female characters.
Reiju was nice and she was there for only 1 arc.
Unless you mean the randoms, Oda does his female characters justice
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People may hate on Fairy Tail but it has its perks. It genuinely has top tier female characters on the female and villain side. Plus the main cast itself is filled with female characters. They get focus, back-stories, POV arcs, fights etc the same way as male characters.
Most shonen might have it's great female characters but usually in the sidelines. There's like a trio of important male characters around the MC and maybe one or 2 important female side characters.
Even the most popular stuff (MHA, Demon Slayer, One Piece, Most Jojos, even stuff like HxH and FMA etc). They might have good or even top tier female characters but not usually part of the main trio or quadruple who are usually all dudes.
Most shonen might have it's great female characters but usually in the sidelines. There's like a trio of important male characters around the MC and maybe one or 2 important female side characters.
Even the most popular stuff (MHA, Demon Slayer, One Piece, Most Jojos, even stuff like HxH and FMA etc). They might have good or even top tier female characters but not usually part of the main trio or quadruple who are usually all dudes.
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True. In fact, Erza fights were often more hype than Natsu fights
Dude stone ocean is just about to come out. There's also the persistent rumor that Giorno was supposed to be female - hence the effeminate clothing, and literal life-giving power
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See? Now this is the problem i get with FT, it has a lot of potential but Mashima pushed the whole friendship trope too far
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Not Smoothie
I mostly agree. I may not like Erza but at least she gets a 1v1 fight in every arc. In comparison I feel like Nami and Robin (especially Robin) don't get to do much
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Side character, irrelevant.
Remember.
OP is an adventure manga with action.
You're comparing it to action manga with adventure.
One Piece isn't about the fights.
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I'm talking in general they don't seem to have much to do. Sure Nami's job as a navigator is super important but that happens mostly offscreen (and somehow she didn't know about a New World log pose despite spending 2 years learning how to navigate the New World).
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Did you not see all of Pre Timeskip? Whenever they were even near the water she had a monologue
She spent 2 years learning how to use Weatheria tech, not how to navigate the new world
The instant they got to the new world she was explaining the sea currents and the magnetic waves of punk hazard
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I could be mistaken but I distinctly remember her saying she was going to study the New World too.
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Bump official release is out
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This chapter is sick, I may actually start liking momonosuke now.
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This is would be interesting, So it can be said that Mihawk's sword technique is the strongest right now because Vista is also known as Dai-Kengou.
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Shanks as well, so far we know of three "Great swordsman" that are still alive. Hoping there are more that Zoro can face before defeating Mihawk.
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Oh WoWShanks as well, so far we know of three "Great swordsman" that are still alive. Hoping there are more that Zoro can face before defeating Mihawk.
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Darn I was gonna send that lol.
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They would be equal on swordsmanship but Indeed Mihawk The Strongest even Everybody know this fact. Mihawk > ShanksShanks as well, so far we know of three "Great swordsman" that are still alive. Hoping there are more that Zoro can face before defeating Mihawk.
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Honestly the two main reasons that people downplay Mihawk (which I disagree with both) is:
A) He was a warlord so he was affiliated with the WG instead of being completely independent.
And B) cause Vista held him back for a bit (this argument basically downplays Vista though, looking at you KOL).
I guess one bonus reason is that he fought against Shanks before he became a Yonko, and they believe that Pre Yonko Shanks was insanely weaker than Yonko Shanks.
A) He was a warlord so he was affiliated with the WG instead of being completely independent.
And B) cause Vista held him back for a bit (this argument basically downplays Vista though, looking at you KOL).
I guess one bonus reason is that he fought against Shanks before he became a Yonko, and they believe that Pre Yonko Shanks was insanely weaker than Yonko Shanks.
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I believe that Mihawk will still be a top-tier fighter even by the end of the series but I don't believe he's stronger than the Yonko.
Nobody treated Mihawk with the kind of respect and fear that I'd expect from a Yonko-tier character on the battlefield.
If Big Mom or Kaido showed up in Marineford, just like how Shanks showed up out of nowhere, I'm almost certain we'd have gotten a ton of reactions. Probably not able to end the war by themselves since they'd need their crew there for that, but definitely more presence than what Mihawk had on the battlefield.
(This is more of an opinion post than a serious scaling argument)
Nobody treated Mihawk with the kind of respect and fear that I'd expect from a Yonko-tier character on the battlefield.
If Big Mom or Kaido showed up in Marineford, just like how Shanks showed up out of nowhere, I'm almost certain we'd have gotten a ton of reactions. Probably not able to end the war by themselves since they'd need their crew there for that, but definitely more presence than what Mihawk had on the battlefield.
(This is more of an opinion post than a serious scaling argument)
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WB saying that Mihawk vs Shanks Is the one of few Legendary Fight, but when He Lost His Left Arm its Shocked WB, Shanks has strength that is not different from before, it would be funny that his strength will increase with the condition that his left hand is usually cut off, if you are left handed and start using right hand skills and your strength when using right hand will decrease. Shanks becomes a Yonkou 6 years after the incident at East Blue.
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I think the reason Mihawk is so underrated IRL and in the verse, is because he is not a larger-than-life personality unlike everyone else at his level of strength. Mihawk simply doesn't have the charisma that the Yonkos, or even fellow Warlords like Doflamingo and Crocodile have. He seems to be content roaming the seas in his little coffin raft, chasing no-name pirates simply to relieve his boredom. When presented with a genuine challenge of swordsmanship, he tones down his strength to test the technique and skill of his opponent - all of his actions are very uncharacteristic for One Piece God Tiers and when people compare them, it kinda seems obvious that Of course, he can't be at their level because he doesn't act like it at all
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I agree with RoyGundam. I think that Mihawk is on a level with the strongest Yonko. He simply doesn't remotely exert anywhere near his full power almost ever due to lack of challenges, and is not very bloodthirsty at all compared to, for example, Big Mom and Kaido.
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I mean yeah that's sort of expected, Mihawk lost his goal 12 years ago and since then hasn't been an active pirate, quoting from his vivre card "Even without a crew he traverses the seas in proud solitude and spends his days killing time and having fun".
He really hasn't done much of anything in 12 years and is just waiting for when a sword master greater than Shanks will appear again. When he does appear to do something in the manga we do get reactions but it's more so surprise that he's even doing anything in the first place.
In comparison the Yonko are active pirates with massive empires and armies in the new world, and in Marineford Whitebeard was the man they were going to war with. Considering all that and that it's his final arc so it's not that surprising we got more reactions to Whitebeard in that war than we did Mihawk.
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I think the fanbase in general downplays the effectiveness of "Commander-tier" combatants and those around them. While obviously inferior to the Yonko (due to being their subordinates), we've seen that they've been capable of impressive feats against Admirals and even Yonko themselves.
The Whitebeard Commanders have feats of fighting against Kizaru/Akainu/Aokiji with varying success, Izo is capable of drawing blood from KAIDO (though I don't think it would be logical to imply Izo > WCI Gear 4th Luffy for an abundance of reasons), Marco stalling Big Mom, Jinbe (Ace's equal) being able to troll Big Mom twice, Cracker and Katakuri both getting the upper-hand against Gear 4th Luffy (Albeit I would say this is due to some Rock-Paper-Scissor mechanics + keeping out of Luffy's attack range more than anything).
IDK why people act so surprised that Vista would be able to go even with a more-or-less casual Mihawk. If anything, this should speak volumes for Mihawk's power, and be further support for placing him relative to the Admirals or even the Yonko. If he can duel against Vista and show no visible signs of stress, or merely breaking into a sweat, I don't see why the community has to downplay him so harshly.
The Whitebeard Commanders have feats of fighting against Kizaru/Akainu/Aokiji with varying success, Izo is capable of drawing blood from KAIDO (though I don't think it would be logical to imply Izo > WCI Gear 4th Luffy for an abundance of reasons), Marco stalling Big Mom, Jinbe (Ace's equal) being able to troll Big Mom twice, Cracker and Katakuri both getting the upper-hand against Gear 4th Luffy (Albeit I would say this is due to some Rock-Paper-Scissor mechanics + keeping out of Luffy's attack range more than anything).
IDK why people act so surprised that Vista would be able to go even with a more-or-less casual Mihawk. If anything, this should speak volumes for Mihawk's power, and be further support for placing him relative to the Admirals or even the Yonko. If he can duel against Vista and show no visible signs of stress, or merely breaking into a sweat, I don't see why the community has to downplay him so harshly.
- That being said, there's no actual canonical evidence of Mihawk automatically being equal to the Yonko despite some implications (and also the fact Zoro is already at the level of fighting Base King quite evenly, being able to also wound Kaido--ALBEIT WITH AN AMP, and has otherwise stomped opponents of impressive levels of power [Pica/Monet]).
- I personally find it weird Jinbe only jumped from 250,000,000 (his frozen bounty) to 438,000,000 for the events in Impel Down and Marineford... you'd expect the marines to immediately put him 500m+ given his power and him lashing out at the marines.
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I think Jimbe explained that bounty growth slows down after hitting the 300-400M range
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He said it's difficult for someone to raise their bounty from 500m onwards since the people in that range are already considered extremely problematic for the WG. Honestly, the only people we see 500m+ are people who are affiliated with the Yonko and are high-up among their ranks (i.e. a long-time officer like Perospero, or a former Commander like Snack).
Now that I think about it, it's not surprising Jinbe didn't hit 500+, but I still think the WG is treating him lightly (Luffy Pre-TS only ever hitting 400,000,000 hahaha).
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That means, when Luffy officially becomes a Yonko after Wano (by beating Kaido) Zoro, Sanji and Jimbe will see their bounties bumped up significantly. I can see Zoro and Sanji ending up with 1B+ bounties
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Chopper might even reach 1000 berries.
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Also, on the subject of the chapter...
We ALL know Zoro's father was Ushimaru, right? Now here's the thing that caught my attention in the page talking about him... Kawamatsu specifically notes that "Zoro's style with the sword is the same as Ushimaru's"... When Zoro was a toddler, I think Ushimaru displayed Santoryu before Zoro was smuggled out of Wano, hence his fascination with using 3 swords before even going to meet Kuina* and her father at the dojo... also his interest in sword-play in the first place.
TL;DR... Ushimaru inspired Zoro to use Santoryu before the last time they saw eachother
We ALL know Zoro's father was Ushimaru, right? Now here's the thing that caught my attention in the page talking about him... Kawamatsu specifically notes that "Zoro's style with the sword is the same as Ushimaru's"... When Zoro was a toddler, I think Ushimaru displayed Santoryu before Zoro was smuggled out of Wano, hence his fascination with using 3 swords before even going to meet Kuina* and her father at the dojo... also his interest in sword-play in the first place.
TL;DR... Ushimaru inspired Zoro to use Santoryu before the last time they saw eachother
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If Sanji and Zoro each defeat their respective opponents, that doesn't necessarily mean their bounties would automatically jump above King/Queen.
But Luffy defeating a Yonko would convince the WG wholly that Luffy is deserving of being an "Emperor"... although he is already considered one since his bounty exceeds any of the known Commanders including Marco.
Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe would each easily exceed 500 million, but it's questionable where they would land. The only way I see Zoro hitting 1 billion is if the WG is made aware that he managed to battle against Kaido and successfully wound him on top of defeating King 1v1.
I know many people would disagree, but if the only information CP0 gives to the WG is "Luffy defeated Kaido... his subordinates collectively defeated the Numbers, Tobi Roppo, and Lead Performers", I would say the bounties would have Jinbe > Zoro = Sanji.
- Zoro and Sanji having the same bounty has been a theory, and a potential lead-up to a gag scene for the longest time.
Jinbe being the highest primarily because the WG knows him as a threat (also having a 100 million advantage over the other two currently) and that he's a veteran compared to them. Whether Zoro and Sanji manage to surpass him this arc (Looks like Sanji might considering he's conveniently getting amp'd genetically via Raid Suit), it doesn't mean they'd surpass him in bounty. The WG is full of narrow-minded idiots.
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You laugh, but Chopper hitting 1000 berries would be a 2000% increase from his starting bounty. Only Luffy has seen more increase
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I think you mean Kuina, unless Zoro lost his way and ended up in Naruto-verse
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See, this mistake I made would've been acceptable had she been a red-head, but oof.
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