One Piece: Building from Shit Foundations, Mid-High - High Tier Value Replacement

[Eseseso]

Those guys aren't all scaling to G2nd Luffy

Which guys?

And it doesn't even matter since G2 and base scale to the same values

 

[Damage3245]

G3 >>> Monster Hody = 43.49 gigatons, and since the gap between this and Baseline 6-C+ is less than 1.2x, G3 Luffy upscales to Baseline 6-C+ (52.15 gigatons)

You know, just because you see a gap that is just less than 1.2x, doesn't mean you have to upscale it.

 

[Eseseso]

You know, just because you see a gap that is just less than 1.2x, doesn't mean you have to upscale it.

1. Blasphemy!

2. G3 one-shot Monster Hody, the upscale is fine.

 

[KingTempest]

1. Blasphemy!

2. G3 one-shot Monster Hody, the upscale is fine.

Yeah we upscaled him before and it’s fine to upscale him now

 

[Eseseso]

Yeah we upscaled him before and it’s fine to upscale him now

How does the new list I wasted 2.5 hours making based on your new calcs look?

 

[KingTempest]

How does the new list I wasted 2.5 hours making based on your new calcs look?

Gimme like an hour

 

[SnookB]

How does the new list I wasted 2.5 hours making based on your new calcs look?

It's not wasted if it's good smh
great job though. Really

 

[Eseseso]

It's not wasted if it's good smh
great job though. Really

Thanks.

Figuring out what Doflamingo's Buso scaled to (since due to Law and Hawkins scaling that affected basically all of the WCI and Wano scaling) was a PAIN.

 

[KingTempest]

New scaling list for if/when King's calcs get accepted:

Fishman Island to Dressrosa:

• Straw Hats:
  • Luffy:
    • Base > Overdosed Hody = 10.872 Gigatons
    • G2 > Base
    • G3 >>> Monster Hody = 43.49 gigatons, and since the gap between this and Baseline 6-C+ is less than 1.2x, G3 Luffy upscales to Baseline 6-C+ (52.15 gigatons)
    • G4 > G3
    • Strongest Attacks = 4x G3 = 208.6 gigatons (High 6-C)
  • Zoro:
    • Zoro >>> OD Hyouzou's dura = 4x G2 = 43.49 gigatons, but since Zoro w/o Haki easily one-shot him he also upscales to Baseline 6-C+
  • Sanji:
    • Base = Vergo = Sanji's dura = G2/Jimbei = 10.872 Gigatons
    • DJ > 2x G2 = 21.744 gigatons
  • Brook:
    • Brook > G2 = 10.872 Gigatons
  • Nami:
    • Nami > G2 = 10.872 Gigatons
  • Robin:
    • Robin > G2 = 10.872 Gigatons
  • Chopper scales above pre-TS self

Good, MP Chopper scales above G2nd Luffy

• • Usopp scales above pre-TS self but with that Green Wolf he scales above Chopper assuming there is any difference
  • Franky:
    • Base Franky scales to G2 level people in Dressrosa, so 10.872 Gigatons
    • General Franky stomps Buffalo and Baby 5, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Jimbei = G2, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Base Carrot = Dressrosa Luffy, so 10.872 Gigatons

• Hody Jones and his men:
  • Hody scales to calcs.
  • Hyouzou's AP in base is 2.718 gigatons, but is above 10.872 Gigatons with steroids
  • Wadatsumi in Base is 5.436 gigatons but 10.872 Gigatons w/ a Steroid pill.
  • Surume > Base Wadatsumi, so 5.436 gigatons
  • Daruma is the exact same, dude scales to Usopp.

Yeah

• Marines and others
  • Issho > G3, so 52.15 gigatons
  • Grount = G3, so 52.15 gigatons
  • Tashigi = Monet > Robin, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Vergo = Sanji's dura,, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Smoker =< Vergo, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Hina > Tashigi, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Coby = Tashigi, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Law:
    • Punk Hazard Law = Smoker, so 10.872 Gigatons
    • Dressrosa Law's AP = Buso Doflamingo's dura, which should be comparable to G3 as it took hits from G4 which is far above G3, so 52.15 gigatons
  • Lucci >> Sai, so 10.872 Gigatons

Yeah

• Doflamingo's forces and other villains:
  • Ceasar Clown could hurt Luffy and Sanji's body, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Baby 5 = No-Haki Sai = 10.872 Gigatons
  • Buffalo is comparable to Baby 5, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Trebol scales above Lao G, so 10.872 gigatons
  • Golem Pica > Baby 5, so 10.872 gigatons, while Base Pica = casual Zoro = 52.15 gigatons
  • Dice = Zoro, so 52.15 gigatons (GIVE DICE A PROFILE, YOU COWARDS!)
  • Baccarat = Brook, so 10.872 gigatons
  • Base Tesoro = G2 Luffy = 10.872 gigatons, that giant golem of his stomped G3 so it is 52.15 gigatons, and that special move of his Golem scales to double Kong Gatling, so it'd be 8x G3 aka 417.2 gigatons. Gold Splash could honestly just go back to scaling to its own 25 gigaton calc.
  • Ain should be around 52.15 gigatons via fighting a casual Zoro
  • Bellamy = G2 Luffy, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Giolla has 10.872 gigaton durability via taking a blast from Nami
  • Burgess is comparable to Sabo, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Gladius > Baby 5 and = Nico Robin, so he's 10.872 gigatons
  • Dellinger > Ideo = Sai, so they're both 10.872 gigatons
  • Machvise and Senor Pink = Franky so they're both 10.872 gigatons
  • Crocodile = Base Doflamingo, so 21.744 gigatons

• Straw Hat Grand Fleet and allies:
  • Chinjao = G2 Luffy, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Cavendish is equal to Chinjao so 10.872 gigatons in Base and 21.744 gigatons with Hakuba
  • Lao G = Chinjao, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Sai = Lao G, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Hajrudin >> Machvise so he's 10.872 gigatons
  • Elizabello in base = Chinjao, so he's 10.872 gigatons
  • Bartolomeo = Gladius so he's 10.872 gigatons
  • Sabo >> Diamante > Buffalo and Kyros > Diamante, so they're all 10.872 gigatons.
  • Zunesha should be the same since it's 6-C is from its own size
  • Doflamingo in Base > 2x G2, so 21.744 gigatons.
    • His DF's AP = His DF's durability, which is equal to G3 = 52.15 gigatons
    • His Buso's AP = Law's AP = Doflamingo's Buso dura which should be comparable to G3 via downscaling from G4 so 52.15 gigatons

There are 2 different Chinjaos, pre and post col, so split them up

Whole Cake Island and Wano:

• Beast Pirates
  • Basil Hawkins is 52.15 gigatons in base via scaling to Dressrosa Law, but still High 6-A with his DF
  • Base Tobiroppo > Hawkins, so 52.15 gigatons
    • Zoan Tobiroppo > G3 Luffy = 208.6 gigatons
• Big Mom Pirates:
  • Cracker Soldiers > G3 Luffy = 52.15 gigatons
  • Cracker Himself = 208.6 gigatons via matching G4
  • Brulee has 10.872 gigaton dura via taking Nami's attack
  • Perospero scales to Base Tobiroppo, so 52.15 gigatons
  • Oven and Daifuku > Pero's Candy Wall = Perospero = 52.15 gigatons
  • Tamago = Pedro = Oven = 52.15 gigatons
  • Base Smoothie > Perospero = 52.15 gigatons
  • Base Katakuri > Perospero = 52.15 gigatons
    • His DF scales above this
    • Awakened Katakuri = G4 = 208.6 gigatons

Yeah
With the new scaling Oven ~ Katakuri

• • • 
      
• Straw Hats, Allies, and other pirates:
  • Luffy:
    • WCI Gear 4 Luffy is 4x Gear 3, so 208.6 gigatons
    • Post-Kata G3 = 208.6 gigatons and Post-Kata Strongest Attacks = 817.2 gigatons (High 6-C+)
    • Post-Udon Base Luffy = Base Tobiroppo via downscaling from Zoan Ulti = 52.15 gigatons
  • WCI Sanji = His Brothers = Perospero, so 52.15 gigatons.
    • His Wano Raid Suit is 208.6 gigatons via fighting Page One, his Wano base simply scales above his WCI self of 52.15 gigatons
  • Sulong Carrot = Perospero = 52.15 gigatons
  • Base Wano Chopper is comparable to Base Luffy so 52.15 gigatons
  • Wano Nami = 52.15 gigatons
  • Wano Usopp = 52.15 gigatons
  • Base Robin = 52.15 gigatons, while her Demonio Fleur and Giganto Fleur = 208.6 gigatons
  • Brook: In Wano he scales above Base Robin so 52.15 gigatons
  • Base Franky = 52.15 gigatons, while General Franky = 208.6 gigatons
  • Jinbei = 52.15 gigatons in Base and 208.6 gigatons with Buso or anger
  • Vinsmoke Judge and the other 4 Vinsmokes scale to Perospero, so 52.15 gigatons
  • Bege = Oven = 52.15 gigatons
  • Pedro = Oven = 52.15 gigatons
  • Urouge > Perospero = 52.15 gigatons

Quick glance, looks good

 

[Eseseso]

Good, MP Chopper scales above G2nd Luffy

Didn't we agree when I made a CRT that proposed scaling MP Chopper above G2 Luffy that it was a no-no?

There are 2 different Chinjaos, pre and post col, so split them up

Is there any difference in scaling/values?

With the new scaling Oven ~ Katakuri

How so?

Quick glance, looks good

Thanks, boss.

 

[Eseseso]

Also, does the scaling with Dressrosa Law and the durability of Doflamingo's buso seem fine to you?

That is the basis for 90% of the WCI scaling and all of the Wano scaling.

 

[KingTempest]

Didn't we agree when I made a CRT that proposed scaling MP Chopper above G2 Luffy that it was a no-no?

Island level+ with Monster Point (One shot Dogan and broke his hammer, which took a hit from Ittoryu Zoro)

Ittoryu Zoro > G2nd Luffy

The bad logic you guys used before was declined

Is there any difference in scaling/values?

Chinjao backscales to baseline

How so?

Thanks, boss.

Always

Also, does the scaling with Dressrosa Law and the durability of Doflamingo's buso seem fine to you?

That is the basis for 90% of the WCI scaling and all of the Wano scaling.

Yeah

 

[Eseseso]

Ittoryu Zoro > G2nd Luffy

How do we know what 1-sword Zoro scales to?

I need to know that before changing the value Chopper scales to.

We could always scale 1-sword Zoro above Doffy due to him pushing Issho back when Base Doffy couldn't so that way MP Chopper could be 21.744 gigatons

The bad logic you guys used before was declined

I'm not crazy about MP Chopper's weak scaling above 1-sword Zoro considering Zoro was on the defensive at the time so he wouldn't have been aiming to break the hammer, but in lack of better substitutes and the fact that you still support it, I guess I'll go with it.

Chinjao backscales to baseline

Sigh Now I need to find out which people do and don't scale to either sick or healthy Chinjao.

Yay.

Oh yeah.

Honestly helps support Oven scaling to that level, even if the value he scales to doesn't change.

Always

With Charmander gone, I decided I might as well take over in terms of making OP scaling lists.

Yeah

Thank God.

I would understand if you'd had doubts but since you don't that makes things easier.

 

[KingTempest]

How do we know what 1-sword Zoro scales to?

I need to know that before changing the value Chopper scales to.

He sliced Monet's snow which took hits from G2nd

We could always scale 1-sword Zoro above Doffy due to him pushing Issho back when Base Doffy couldn't so that way MP Chopper could be 21.744 gigatons

**** no

I'm not crazy about MP Chopper's weak scaling above 1-sword Zoro considering Zoro was on the defensive at the time so he wouldn't have been aiming to break the hammer, but in lack of better substitutes and the fact that you still support it, I guess I'll go with it.

He knocked him back, and that's what's on the profile

Sigh Now I need to find out which people do and don't scale to either sick or healthy Chinjao.

If it's not Luffy or Cav, then it's sick Chinjao

Honestly helps support Oven scaling to that level, even if the value he scales to doesn't change.

Yee

With Charmander gone, I decided I might as well take over in terms of making OP scaling lists.

Aight

Thank God.

I would understand if you'd had doubts but since you don't that makes things easier.

W

 

[Eseseso]

He sliced Monet's snow which took hits from G2nd

2-sword Zoro did that.

**** no

Worth a shot

He knocked him back, and that's what's on the profile

That was when we had the sword multipliers for Zoro. If you still support the feat then fine.

If it's not Luffy or Cav, then it's sick Chinjao

Ok. Do they backscale to Baseline 6-C?

W

W indeed

 

[KingTempest]

2-sword Zoro did that.

L, 1 sword is still superior to her so w/e

Worth a shot

That was when we had the sword multipliers for Zoro. If you still support the feat then fine.

Yee

Ok. Do they backscale to Baseline 6-C?

Yeah

W indeed

 

[Eseseso]

L, 1 sword is still superior to her so w/e

How do we know 1-sword > Monet?

Yeah

Got it.

Actually, Sai can match people who can hurt him, so shouldn't his AP be the same as his durability?

 

[KingTempest]

How do we know 1-sword > Monet?

The fact that he scared the shit out of her nd would've killed her with 1 sword

Got it.

Actually, Sai can match people who can hurt him, so shouldn't his AP be the same as his durability?

He backscales from G2nd

 

[Eseseso]

The fact that he scared the shit out of her nd would've killed her with 1 sword

Ok then, that makes sense. I'll do the Chopper edit.

He backscales from G2nd

Ok.

Also, what do you think about this Raid Suit CRT, which will be a minor change of post-TS Sanji's power?

Early Wano Sanji will scale above his WCI self in base and DJ, but scale to Page One's 208.6 gigatons w/ the Raid Suit, and both Early Wano and pre-Awakening Sanji will be "A-1, A-2 with Diable Jambe, A-3 with Raid Suit".

 

[Eseseso]

10s away from sending that chopper image

What Chopper image?

 

[Majinere566]

What Chopper image?

 

[Eseseso]

The fact that he scared the shit out of her nd would've killed her with 1 sword

He backscales from G2nd

Just made the backscaling changes.

Sucks that Franky both in base and w/ General Franky now scales below basically all the other Straw Hats not named Usopp.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

What Chopper image?

It's similar to this image but more evil

 

[DaMonkeMan]

It's similar to this image but more evil

I bet it's just another nsfw edit of the image isn't it

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Just made the backscaling changes.

Sucks that Franky both in base and w/ General Franky now scales below basically all the other Straw Hats not named Usopp.

 

[Eseseso]

Sorry, I meant Dressrosa Franky, not Franky as a whole.

 

[Fireld]

Sorry, I meant Dressrosa Franky, not Franky as a whole.

I think i might make an argument for Fraland

 

[Eseseso]

I think i might make an argument for Fraland

?

 

[Eminiteable]

Ain should be around 52.15 gigatons via fighting a casual Zoro

Watched the fight scene between them and there really wasn't anything implying she should scale. She would scale to whatever her current justification on the profile is:

Attack Potency: Island level (By herself she was able to defeat Shuzo, the same one who could harm Gear 2nd Luffy and match a kick from Sanji)

Golem Pica > Baby 5, so 4.3 gigatons, while Base Pica = casual Zoro = 52.15 gigatons

Similar to MP Chopper, Pica's base AP shouldn't scale to Santoryu Zoro and instead to Nitoryu's AP scaling which is above Gear 2nd via monet. Durability is fine though.

 

[Eseseso]

Watched the fight scene between them and there really wasn't anything implying she should scale. She would scale to whatever her current justification on the profile is:

No problem, I just thought her profile said she scaled to Zoro but yeah that other scaling to G2 and Sanji looks much better.

Similar to MP Chopper, Pica's base AP shouldn't scale to Santoryu Zoro and instead to Nitoryu's AP scaling which is above Gear 2nd via monet.

Ok.

Durability is fine though.

Why should his durability scale?

IIRC Santoryu Zoro when serious easily took him down.


How does the rest of the list look?

 

[Eminiteable]

Why should his durability scale?

IIRC Santoryu Zoro when serious easily took him down.

if "casual Zoro = 52.15 gigatons" then it's fine since like his profile states he took a 1080 pound phoenix from Zoro (or at least a portion of it)

How does the rest of the list look?

seems fine

 

[Eseseso]

if "Zoro = 52.15 gigatons" then it's fine since like his profile states he took a 1080 pound phoenix from Zoro (or at least a portion of it)

seems fine

Edited the list.

 

[Fireld]

?

First of all, Diamante's squad were hyped for the fighting power possibly making his officers stronger than the others(discounting unfair haxes). Dellinger(fighting squad) beat Bellamy & Ideo. Machvise(fighting squad) dealt much more damage Hajrudin than Baby 5(attack squad) to Sai. Gear 2nd Luffy casually sent Sai flying out the arena while Hajrudin was KOed by an enraged G2 Luffy with armament haki. Sabo casually broke Diamante's sword with a swing of his pipe while against Bastille's he uses a named attack, the dragon claw.
Franky started to fight Senior Pink & Doflamingo's minions in chapter 732. Machvise came in sometime before chapter 735, then Bastille with his soilders joined the fight and eventually Dellinger too. If the anime was allowed, it would've made my case easier as Franky took hits from Delligner & Bastille onscreen. Senior Pink warns the former not to underestimate Franky and the later was sent flying by a Coup de Vent. The manga off-screened these but he still managed to lasts a couple of chapters before getting defeated & running low on cola.
About fighting Senior Pink, it should be noted he was well aware that Franky's back was unmodified thus he was exploited his weakness with the suplexes. Every attack Pink threw, Franky took it head on while Pink was shown actually avoiding attack like Weapons Left & Coup de Vent. Franky recovers from suplexes faster than Pink does from their attacks. Despite taking damage from not only just Pink but other people too; Franky still got back up from his strongest move with just a broken eye & a hurt shoulder. Pink on the other got KOed just by Franky's Iron Boxing, no where near his strongest moves.

 

[Eseseso]

First of all, Diamante's squad were hyped for the fighting power possibly making his officers stronger than the others(discounting unfair haxes). Dellinger(fighting squad) beat Bellamy & Ideo. Machvise(fighting squad) dealt much more damage Hajrudin than Baby 5(attack squad) to Sai. Gear 2nd Luffy casually sent Sai flying out the arena while Hajrudin was KOed by an enraged G2 Luffy with armament haki. Sabo casually broke Diamante's sword with a swing of his pipe while against Bastille's he uses a named attack, the dragon claw.
Franky started to fight Senior Pink & Doflamingo's minions in chapter 732. Machvise came in sometime before chapter 735, then Bastille with his soilders joined the fight and eventually Dellinger too. If the anime was allowed, it would've made my case easier as Franky took hits from Delligner & Bastille onscreen. Senior Pink warns the former not to underestimate Franky and the later was sent flying by a Coup de Vent. The manga off-screened these but he still managed to lasts a couple of chapters before getting defeated & running low on cola.
About fighting Senior Pink, it should be noted he was well aware that Franky's back was unmodified thus he was exploited his weakness with the suplexes. Every attack Pink threw, Franky took it head on while Pink was shown actually avoiding attack like Weapons Left & Coup de Vent. Franky recovers from suplexes faster than Pink does from the few attacks Franky landed on him. Despite taking damage from not only just Pink but other people too; Franky still got back up from his strongest move with just a broken eye & a hurt shoulder. Pink on the other got KOed just by Franky's Iron Boxing, no where near his strongest moves.

This doesn't seem to affect any of the values which these characters scale to, since none of this seems to put any of the people you mentioned at a value above their current backscaled value of 4.3 gigatons.

 

[Fireld]

This doesn't seem to affect any of the values which these characters scale to, since none of this seems to put any of the people you mentioned at a value above their current backscaled value of 4.3 gigatons.

It would have him higher in the scaling chain for needing 3-4 people who scale to that value to take him down & beat one of them despite being injured priror to the fight. What was the 4.3 gigaton feat again?
Buffalo despite his injuries from the General Cannon, was still concious after Nami's lightning attack, could still fly and had to be finished off by Usopp. Wouldn't he & people around his level scale to Nami's value more? Luffy was in G2, when he knocked away Sai but Sai was still concious. Luffy was angry, went G2 & used haki to KO Hajrudin. Hajrudin's arm & leg got broken in his fight with Machvise. Wouldn't these 3 scale ~ or > base Luffy instead of just instead of just 4.3 gigatons?

 

[Eseseso]

It would have him higher in the scaling chain for needing 3-4 people who scale to that value to take him down & beat one of them despite being injured priror to the fight. What was the 4.3 gigaton feat again?

Backscaling from G2's 10.872 gigatons to baseline 6-C.

Buffalo despite his injuries from the General Cannon, was still concious after Nami's lightning attack, could still fly and had to be finished off by Usopp. Wouldn't he & people around his level scale to Nami's value more?

It was split between him, Baby, and Ceasar.

Luffy was in G2, when he knocked away Sai but Sai was still concious. Luffy was angry, went G2 & used haki to KO Hajrudin. Hajrudin's arm & leg got broken in his fight with Machvise. Wouldn't these 3 scale above base Luffy instead of just instead of just 4.3 gigatons?

No solid way to prove they scale above base.

The fact that he scared the shit out of her nd would've killed her with 1 sword

He backscales from G2nd

Since Buffalo and Baby 5 endured the same Lightning Bolt from nami that badly damaged Ceasar (and they seemed to be portrayed as above him), shouldn't they scale to him?

 

[Fireld]

Backscaling from G2's 10.872 gigatons to baseline 6-C.

OK

It was split between him, Baby, and Ceasar.

But we can't ignore all 3 of them were already pretty injuried before that attack

No solid way to prove they scale above base.

Luffy was angry, felt it neccessary to use both G2 & Koka to punch Hajrudin in the face. He should be ~ base Luffy. And Tempest said that Sai backscales from G2.

Since Buffalo and Baby 5 endured the same Lightning Bolt from nami that badly damaged Ceasar (and they seemed to be portrayed as above him), shouldn't they scale to him?

Maybe

• Colosseum Chinjao = G2 Luffy > Base Luffy so 10.872 Gigatons
• Sick Chinjao backscales to 4.3 gigatons

Wait, why does sick Chinjao backscales to half of base Luffy's value when his coloseum-self equally clashed with G2 Luffy? He only got slightly weaker. Having less than half your previous power doesn't look like a slight change.

 

[Damage3245]

Wait, why does sick Chinjao backscales to half of base Luffy's value when his coloseum-self equally clashed with G2 Luffy? He only got slightly weaker. Having less than half your previous power doesn't look like a slight change.

Don't use the wording on the profiles as a source if that wording itself is unsourced.

 

[Fireld]

At @Eseseso i forgot: Dellinger stomped Bellamy & No Haki Bellamy>No Haki Base DR Luffy currently.
Edit: Dellinger hurt his leg by kicking Machvise, so Machvise should defenetly scale to this value too. Senior Pink stood in the way of one of Franky's rockets to protect Machvise, meaning it could likely hurt Machvise too.

Don't use the wording on the profiles as a source if that wording itself is unsourced.

So the profile wording is unusable & there is no good reason for its current scaling?

 

[Damage3245]

So the profile wording is unusable & there is no good reason for its current scaling?

The gap used to be bigger, then some calc was removed or the scaling changed, and the two keys ended up not being that far apart which is why the wording was changed to it being only a slight difference.

But that by itself isn't proof.