One Piece: Building from Shit Foundations, Mid-High - High Tier Value Replacement

[Eseseso]

It's calcs that affect pre timeskip, which directly affect this

Is it CP9 related?

Oars related?

Because you and I both know those 2 are crucial for Usopp scaling which is crucial for Hody Jones scaling.

 

[KingTempest]

Is it CP9 related?

Oars related?

Because you and I both know those 2 are crucial for Usopp scaling which is crucial for Hody Jones scaling.

You'll see

 

[Damage3245]

I guess they're what happens when you stack 80+ characters in an extended scaling chain from Skypiea to Wano Country, but that just highlights how problematic our current scaling chain is.

 

[Eseseso]

I guess they're what happens when you stack 80+ characters in an extended scaling chain from Skypiea to Wano Country, but that just highlights how problematic our current scaling chain is.

And it doesn't help how Oda himself doesn't provide proper scaling chains/levels in-universe for some of the time (not Oda's fault, since he's writing a story, not satisfying the views of VS debaters).

Sigh I guess if the scaling gets changed I'll just redo the list.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I guess they're what happens when you stack 80+ characters in an extended scaling chain from Skypiea to Wano Country, but that just highlights how problematic our current scaling chain is.

Bruh it's a 1000+ chapter Manga... With like 1000+ Characters... It's inevitable that we would have a lot of characters scale to each other

 

[SnookB]

And it doesn't help how Oda himself doesn't provide proper scaling chains/levels in-universe for some of the time (not Oda's fault, since he's writing a story, not satisfying the views of VS debaters).

He does, we just ignore them-
Moria's 1000X multiplier. Hody's correct amount of pills taken. The strings scaling being heavily less than it should be-

 

[SnookB]

And like mitch said, it's a large cast that all stay mostly relevant to the world itself, so the scaling chain will always involve multiple arcs like that.

 

[Damage3245]

Bruh it's a 1000+ chapter Manga... With like 1000+ Characters... It's inevitable that we would have a lot of characters scale to each other

I know it's partially inevitable but that doesn't do favours for it's reliability.

 

[Eseseso]

He does, we just ignore them-
Moria's 1000X multiplier.

What's this?

Hody's correct amount of pills taken.

I mean we do use Hody's pills...

The strings scaling being heavily less than it should be-

I mean Arc made some good points for nerfing the calc, even though the downgrade itself makes me wanna hurl.

I know it's partially inevitable but that doesn't do favours for it's reliability.

I mean, that's also the case for DBZ/Super as well as MHA.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I know it's partially inevitable but that doesn't do favours for it's reliability.

As if reliability even exists in Power Scaling

 

[KingTempest]

The calcs are consistent with each other so let's not

 

[Damage3245]

I mean, that's also the case for DBZ/Super as well as MHA.

Rest assured I don't think those verses are flawless.

 

[SnookB]

What's this?

Moria= Oars
Each shadow multiplies your power by 2
Moria consumes x1000 shadows and Luffy's G2+G3 stack damages him

I mean we do use Hody's pills...

I remember a long time ago we used a pretty safe low number tbh. The anime shows the amount if certain handfuls better.

I mean Arc made some good points for nerfing the calc, even though the downgrade itself makes me wanna hurl.

Not the meteor itself. Just the black knight in general not using the combined might of all strings despite all strings creating said black knight.

Best leave them for other threads. I'll try gathering stuff relating to Moria, Hody and the strings reasoning for other crts if someone doesn't beat me to them.

 

[Damage3245]

Yay, just wank the verse further. That'll solve everything.

 

[SnookB]

Yay, just wank the verse further. That'll solve everything.

Trying to be more accurate isn't wank. Not if the source material backs it up.

 

[Eseseso]

I remember a long time ago we used a pretty safe low number tbh. The anime shows the amount if certain handfuls better.

1. Any picture or clip we could look at?

2. I mean, when Hody got hit by the Red Hawk, he ate so many pills that not only could he not fit them all in his mouth (keep in mind a human's record is 20 pills in their mouth and Hody should have a bigger mouth than a human), but at least 14 steroids fell out of his hand, implying he ate at least 14 (since he didn't acknowledge the 14 that fell as a lot of what he had).

3. If we could give Fishman Durability the same underwater multiplier as Fishman AP somehow, that'd be nice.

Not the meteor itself. Just the black knight in general not using the combined might of all strings despite all strings creating said black knight.

Explain, please.

Best leave them for other threads. I'll try gathering stuff relating to Moria, Hody and the strings reasoning for other crts if someone doesn't beat me to them.

Ok.

 

[Majinere566]

I just finished thriller bark and I swear there was either a narrator statement or Moria's statement of being a 1000× stronger. Is it not consistent?

 

[Damage3245]

I just finished thriller bark and I swear there was either a narrator statement or Moria's statement of being a 1000× stronger. Is it not consistent?

He "has the power of a thousand men". But those guys aren't as strong as Moria to begin with. It's about as useful as the "Fishmen have the strength of ten men" statement.

 

[SnookB]

I just finished thriller bark and I swear there was either a narrator statement or Moria's statement of being a 1000× stronger. Is it not consistent?

That's not where the multiplier comes from tho. It's from Lola's statement about shadows multiplying your strength. I'm going through thriller bark again for sauce since it might help.

 

[Damage3245]

In context I think that statement is being misused but I'll save it for another thread.

I guess there's nothing to do here for now.

 

[SnookB]

Not atm tbh. It probably won't change the scaling chain regardless, it's far better going through these first

 

[KingTempest]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-new-calculation-implementation-pre-and-post-timeskip-revision.144070/

 

[Eseseso]

Once the new calcs are done being discussed, I would like to discuss the number of pills Hody took, based on my above statement.

 

[KingTempest]

Once the new calcs are done being discussed, I would like to discuss the number of pills Hody took, based on my above statement.

this needs its own thread

 

[Eseseso]

this needs its own thread

I mean, this affects what value Fishman Island Arc G3 Luffy will scale to, so it's pretty important for scaling the Post-TS mid and high tier people.

But if you still want, I'll make a CRT either soon or after the new calcs are accepted.

 

[Damage3245]

Once the new calcs are done being discussed, I would like to discuss the number of pills Hody took, based on my above statement.

I think you can understand why we'd be skeptical of a 16,384x multiplier.

 

[Eseseso]

I think you can understand why we'd be skeptical of a 16,384x multiplier.

Wow, didn't realize the multiplier was that high.

That is a tad outrageous, but that's unfortunately what the manga shows.

We can't not consider it.

 

[Eseseso]

God, now I feel like I'm acting like that moron Ideashock.

 

[KingTempest]

Wow, didn't realize the multiplier was that high.

That is a tad outrageous, but that's unfortunately what the manga shows.

We can't not consider it.

no

the multiplier is even higher, and we most definitely aren't using it

 

[SnookB]

I think you can understand why we'd be skeptical of a 16,384x multiplier.

ITS THAT HIGH??

 

[KingTempest]

ITS THAT HIGH??

It's higher

 

[SnookB]

It's higher

Man, and here I thought "there's probably like a dozen pills at most missed" n e v e r m i n d

 

[Deceived3596]

It's higher

It can definitely get much higher

 

[KingTempest]

Man, and here I thought "there's probably like a dozen pills at most missed" n e v e r m i n d

A dozen pills alone would be 4096

 

[Eseseso]

I feel like Ideashock just for proposing such a high multiplier.

 

[Damage3245]

I feel like Ideashock just for proposing such a high multiplier.

Now you know why I was frustrated earlier when I saw all the multipliers being thrown around.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

10s away from sending that chopper image

 

[Eseseso]

New scaling list for if/when King's calcs get accepted:

Fishman Island to Dressrosa:

• Straw Hats:
  • Luffy:
    • Base > Overdosed Hody = 10.872 Gigatons
      • His Buso Durability = Doflamingo's Buso = 52.15 gigatons
    • G2 > Base
    • G3 >>> Monster Hody = 43.49 gigatons, and since the gap between this and Baseline 6-C+ is less than 1.2x, G3 Luffy upscales to Baseline 6-C+ (52.15 gigatons)
    • G4 > G3
    • Strongest Attacks = 4x G3 = 208.6 gigatons (High 6-C)
  • Zoro:
    • Zoro >>> OD Hyouzou's dura = 4x G2 = 43.49 gigatons, but since Zoro w/o Haki easily one-shot him he also upscales to Baseline 6-C+
  • Sanji:
    • Base = Vergo = Sanji's dura = G2/Jimbei = 10.872 Gigatons
    • DJ > 2x G2 = 21.744 gigatons
  • Brook:
    • Brook > G2 = 10.872 Gigatons
  • Nami:
    • Nami > G2 = 10.872 Gigatons
  • Robin:
    • Robin > G2 = 10.872 Gigatons
  • Chopper:
    • Base Chopper scales above pre-TS self
    • MP Chopper > 1-Sword Zoro >> Monet > Robin = 10.872 gigatons
  • Usopp scales above pre-TS self but with that Green Wolf he scales above Chopper assuming there is any difference
  • Franky:
    • Base Franky scales to Post-Colosseum Chinjao level people in Dressrosa, so 4.3 Gigatons
    • General Franky stomps Buffalo and Baby 5, so well above 4.3 Gigatons
  • Jimbei = G2, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Base Carrot = Dressrosa Luffy, so 10.872 Gigatons

• Hody Jones and his men:
  • Hody scales to calcs.
  • Hyouzou's AP in base is 2.718 gigatons, but is above 10.872 Gigatons with steroids
  • Wadatsumi in Base is 5.436 gigatons but 10.872 Gigatons w/ a Steroid pill.
  • Surume > Base Wadatsumi, so 5.436 gigatons
  • Daruma is the exact same, dude scales to Usopp.

• Marines and others
  • Issho > G3, so 52.15 gigatons
  • Base Grount = Base Luffy, so 10.872 megatons,
    • Grount's Zoan Arm = G3, so 52.15 gigatons
  • Tashigi = Monet > Robin, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Vergo = Sanji's dura,, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Smoker =< Vergo, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Hina > Tashigi, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Coby = Tashigi, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Law:
    • Punk Hazard Law = Smoker, so 10.872 Gigatons
    • Dressrosa Law's AP = Buso Doflamingo's dura, which should be comparable to G3 as it took hits from G4 which is far above G3, so 52.15 gigatons
  • Lucci is heavily implied to be above King Neptune, who Brook viewed as a difficult opponent, so he's 10.872 Gigatons
    • Supported by Lucci one-shotting Sai, which G2 Luffy could not do.

• Doflamingo's forces and other villains:
  • Ceasar Clown could hurt Luffy and Nami in Sanji's body, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Baby 5 = No-Haki Sai = 4.3 Gigatons
  • Buffalo is comparable to Baby 5, so 4.3 Gigatons
  • Trebol scales above Lao G, so 4.3 gigatons
  • Golem Pica > Baby 5, so 4.3 gigatons, while Base Pica = Nitoryu Zoro >> Monet and G2 = 10.872 gigatons
    • His base took a Santoryu 1080 pound phoenix from Zoro, so his durability is 52.15 gigatons.
  • Dice = Zoro, so 52.15 gigatons (GIVE DICE A PROFILE, YOU COWARDS!)
  • Baccarat = Brook, so 10.872 gigatons
  • Base Tesoro = G2 Luffy = 10.872 gigatons, that giant golem of his stomped G3 so it is 52.15 gigatons, and that special move of his Golem scales to double Kong Gatling, so it'd be 8x G3 aka 417.2 gigatons. Gold Splash could honestly just go back to scaling to its own 25 gigaton calc.
  • Ain > Shuzo = G2 and Sanji, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Bellamy = G2 Luffy, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Giolla has 10.872 gigaton durability via taking a blast from Nami
  • Burgess is comparable to Sabo, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Gladius > Baby 5, so he's 4.3 gigatons
  • Dellinger > Ideo = Sai, so they're both 4.3 gigatons
  • Machvise and Senor Pink = Franky so they're both 4.3 gigatons
  • Crocodile = Base Doflamingo, so 21.744 gigatons

• Straw Hat Grand Fleet and allies:
  • Colosseum Chinjao = G2 Luffy, so 10.872 Gigatons
  • Sick Chinjao backscales to 4.3 gigatons
  • Cavendish is equal to Chinjao so 10.872 gigatons in Base and 21.744 gigatons with Hakuba
  • Lao G = Sick Chinjao, so 4.3 Gigatons
  • Sai = Lao G, so 4.3 Gigatons
  • Hajrudin >> Machvise so he's 4.3 gigatons
  • Elizabello in base = Chinjao, so he's 4.3 gigatons
  • Bartolomeo = Gladius so he's 4.3 gigatons
  • Sabo >> Diamante > Buffalo and Kyros > Diamante, so they're all 4.3 gigatons.
  • Zunesha should be the same since it's 6-C is from its own size
  • Doflamingo in Base > 2x G2, so 21.744 gigatons.
    • His DF's AP = His DF's durability, which is equal to G3 = 52.15 gigatons
    • His Buso's AP = Law's AP = Doflamingo's Buso dura which should be comparable to G3 via downscaling from G4 so 52.15 gigatons

Whole Cake Island and Wano:

• Beast Pirates
  • Basil Hawkins is 52.15 gigatons in base via scaling to Dressrosa Law, but still High 6-A with his DF
  • Base Tobiroppo > Hawkins, so 52.15 gigatons
    • Zoan Tobiroppo > G3 Luffy = 208.6 gigatons
• Big Mom Pirates:
  • Cracker Soldiers > G3 Luffy = 52.15 gigatons
  • Cracker Himself = 208.6 gigatons via matching G4
  • Brulee has 10.872 gigaton dura via taking Nami's attack
  • Perospero scales to Base Tobiroppo, so 52.15 gigatons
  • Oven and Daifuku > Pero's Candy Wall = Perospero = 52.15 gigatons
  • Tamago = Pedro = Oven = 52.15 gigatons
  • Base Smoothie > Perospero = 52.15 gigatons
  • Base Katakuri > Perospero = 52.15 gigatons
    • His DF scales above this
    • Awakened Katakuri = G4 = 208.6 gigatons
• Straw Hats, Allies, and other pirates:
  • Luffy:
    • WCI Gear 4 Luffy is 4x Gear 3, so 208.6 gigatons
    • Post-Kata G3 = 208.6 gigatons and Post-Kata Strongest Attacks = 817.2 gigatons (High 6-C+)
    • Post-Udon Base Luffy = Base Tobiroppo via downscaling from Zoan Ulti = 52.15 gigatons
  • WCI Sanji = His Brothers = Perospero, so 52.15 gigatons.
    • His Wano Raid Suit is 208.6 gigatons via fighting Page One, his Wano base simply scales above his WCI self of 52.15 gigatons
  • Sulong Carrot = Perospero = 52.15 gigatons
  • Base Wano Chopper is comparable to Base Luffy so 52.15 gigatons
  • Wano Nami = 52.15 gigatons
  • Wano Usopp = 52.15 gigatons
  • Base Robin = 52.15 gigatons, while her Demonio Fleur and Giganto Fleur = 208.6 gigatons
  • Brook: In Wano he scales above Base Robin so 52.15 gigatons
  • Base Franky = 52.15 gigatons, while General Franky = 208.6 gigatons
  • Jinbei = 52.15 gigatons in Base and 208.6 gigatons with Buso or anger
  • Vinsmoke Judge and the other 4 Vinsmokes scale to Perospero, so 52.15 gigatons
  • Bege = Oven = 52.15 gigatons
  • Pedro = Oven = 52.15 gigatons
  • Urouge > Perospero = 52.15 gigatons

This is 2.5 hours of my life that I'll never get back.

You're welcome.

 

[Livinmeme]

We should get further, we should use broken multipliers to get one piece into tier 5

 

[KingTempest]

Those guys aren't all scaling to G2nd Luffy