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One Piece: Awakened Lucci

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TheMonkeMan said:
No he doesn't. Even if he did, he's not gonna stop them from jumping his ass and cutting him up.
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He objectively does, you can't clash equally with someone and not be relative. You still coping over the fact he is doesn't disprove basic physics like kinetic energy or Newton's Third Law.

If you believe Gear 5 Luffy loses to them, then Lucci would also lose, if you believe Gear 5 beats them, Lucci also beats them. Simple as.
 
Deceived3596 said:
He objectively does, you can't clash equally with someone and not be relative. You still coping over the fact he is doesn't disprove basic physics.

If you believe Gear 5 Luffy loses to them, then Lucci would also lose, if you believe Gear 5 beats them, Lucci also beats them. Simple as.
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G5 Luffy, when serious, was slamming Kaidou and even punching him through his face. The Scabbards could barely reopen his wound but still did it.
As far as we know, Lucci is incapable of both of those feats.
You don't even need to be relative to clash with someone. Luffy wasn't even trying to speed blitz Lucci, he did the same thing he's always done, simply stretching his arm out and throwing it at his opponent.
This argument is incredibly goofy, you're saying that Luffy would try against Lucci while he knocked him out with 3 elementary hits and didn't even use Advanced Haki or amp him self.
Meanwhile people like Kawamatsu can make Kaidou bleed, react to him, and even take attacks from him, but they don't scale above the clown who got knocked out by 3 regular G5 hits ( even with added durability and endurance from Awakening )?
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Fireld said:
Pretty sure you said that in one of the chapter threads before. This went from being a CTR to a General Discussion. (I'll take some of the blame for this)

WAIT A SEC, if the OP is finished then why is this still open?
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It isn't, it's just being actively derailed.

Since the thread wasn't closed when the initial changes were applied I updated the OP with further justifications that still need to be accepted to be applied.
 
Eminiteable said:
It isn't, it's just being actively derailed.

Since the thread wasn't closed when the initial changes were applied I updated the OP with further justifications that still need to be accepted to be applied.
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Still not a good thing.

OK. Then we gotta call staff again to check those too, if we ever want any real progress here.
 
I don't disagree with the possibility of Lucci beating up some Scabbards. but saying Lucci is stronger because Scabbards only fought a casual Kaido is kinda goofy IMO since Lucci literally got three-tapped by Luffy.

I've never seen someone get absolutely washed and meat ridden this hard before.
 
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Godernet said:
I don't disagree with the possibility of Lucci beating up some Scabbards. but saying Lucci is stronger because Scabbards only fought a casual Kaido is kinda goofy IMO since Lucci literally got three-tapped.
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I feel that he'd have trouble with Kawamatsu and the Mink Duo the most, they seem like the strongest Scabbards and he probably wouldn't win a 3v1 against them though that's kind of obvious.
Godernet said:
I've never seen someone get absolutely washed and meat ridden this hard before.
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Same but that's Vsbattles for ya.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
G5 Luffy, when serious, was slamming Kaidou and even punching him through his face. The Scabbards could barely reopen his wound but still did it.
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Kaidou was noted to be weakened. Even then Kaidou still got plenty of good hits.
TheMonkeMan said:
As far as we know, Lucci is incapable of both of those feats.
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Bro what? Lucci is a masked agent, and prob stronger than Kaku who just clashed with Zoro. Even if you did discount his countering and eating attack from G5 he can still do that.
TheMonkeMan said:
You don't even need to be relative to clash with someone. Luffy wasn't even trying to speed blitz Lucci, he did the same thing he's always done, simply stretching his arm out and throwing it at his opponent.
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🤨T-that literally isn't true. You at least need to be in the same tier. Luffy never tries to speed blitz, I have no idea what you're trying to get at.
TheMonkeMan said:
This argument is incredibly goofy, you're saying that Luffy would try against Lucci while he knocked him out with 3 elementary hits and didn't even use Advanced Haki or amp him self.
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Still H6-A. Basic Armament G3 knocked down Dragon Kaidou, so unless you wanna argue that G3>G5 this is wrong.
TheMonkeMan said:
Meanwhile people like Kawamatsu can make Kaidou bleed, react to him, and even take attacks from him, but they don't scale above the clown who got knocked out by 3 regular G5 hits ( even with added durability and endurance from Awakening )?
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Bro they had haki, and the elasticity effect that knocked Kaidou on his ass.
 
That_moron said:
Kaidou was noted to be weakened. Even then Kaidou still got plenty of good hits.
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He was getting tired and possibly a bit weaker but he was still hitting like a truck
That_moron said:
Bro what? Lucci is a masked agent, and prob stronger than Kaku who just clashed with Zoro. Even if you did discount his countering and eating attack from G5 he can still do that.
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Bro we don't even know if Zoro was trying there, he literally just woke up during that clash.
You're comparing a masked agent to the samurai who are even feared by Akainu ( who's far stronger than any CP0 member ), and one of their best members got their skull bashed in by Kaidou.
That_moron said:
🤨T-that literally isn't true. You at least need to be in the same tier. Luffy never tries to speed blitz, I have no idea what you're trying to get at.
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He does try to speed blitz. Why do you think he has stuff like Gear 2nd?
Even still that'd be an outlier because we've seen Lucci get railed by other attacks from G5 Luffy despite actively SEEING him prepare them.
That_moron said:
Still H6-A. Basic Armament G3 knocked down Dragon Kaidou, so unless you wanna argue that G3>G5 this is wrong.
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..That's LS.
That_moron said:
Bro they had haki, and the elasticity effect that knocked Kaidou on his ass.
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Yeah and their Haki is > Lucci's as it's advanced.
 
I don’t think Gear 5 Luffy can beat a fully healthy Kaido at full power. Would be an extreme diff fight but I think the outcome would be different than what actually happened in Wano
 
I mean, neither can the other people we mentioned. I was just saying that the Scabbards and Luffy did more than Lucci ever could.
 
You people are seriously overestimating Oda's power scaling capabilities and the things he is capable of in order to make the manga more hype, even if it makes old villains like Kaido look weaker.
 
Also why are people saying Luffy = Lucci? Even outside of their clash, Lucci is consistently portrayed to be weaker than Luffy. Meaning that Luffy can scale above scabbard level (which isnt even a thing lmao) but Lucci doesn’t have to. They all scale to the same value regardless
 
KingTempest said:
People here would scale the likes of Sanji and Zoro above Kaidou in certain areas but get mad that people like Lucci scale relative
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No the **** we wouldn't.
And tbf, for Zoro, it's slightly valid as he was able to scar Kaidou and reflect his attacks, so it's reasonable to say his AP is somewhat comparable to Kaidou's.
Lucci got one little callback clash and he's suddenly a god tier to y'all.
Therefir said:
You people are seriously overestimating Oda's power scaling capabilities and the things he is capable of in order to make the manga more hype, even if it makes old villains like Kaido look weaker.
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He was wanking the hell out of Oden and Kaidou, no way he would make Lucci hurt him.
 
KingTempest said:
People here would scale the likes of Sanji and Zoro above Kaidou in certain areas but get mad that people like Lucci scale relative
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In your opinion, could Lucci have beaten the Scabbards?

Some people here think the Scabbards have better AP than Awakened Lucci, despite all the evidence otherwise,
 
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Ain't no way this man said Lucci beats the Scabbards
I can see him low-mid diffing them INDIVIDUALLY, obviously.
But all together? That just ain't fair for Lucci.
 
No, I just said 2 different scenarios because I wasn't sure what you meant.
1: In a 1v1 against each Scabbard, he wins low-mid diff
2: If they jump him, he's dead in about 20 seconds. ( I'm being generous there )
 
We've got a real god tier on our hands boys
Gets one callback clash with Luffy
Misses every other attack on Luffy
Tries to speed blitz Sentomaru and gets blocked
Almost swallowed by a gigantic mouth despite seeing it appear a couple feet away from it
Knocked into walls and rendered unconscious by basic kicks and punches
Smh.. Commanders are nothing for this man.. He's probably on par with the Yonko.
 
I'm just wondering how y'all think Lucci would hurt Kaidou anyway. Moment he uses Shigan/Shugan his hand is broken.
 
Lucci wouldn't take their hits like a casual Zoan Kaido did, he'd use his speed advantage (stacked with Soru and/or Kamisori) to Shigan them out of existence one by one.

You know, like an assassin.
 
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