One Piece: AP Revision of High Tiers

[Stefano4444]

I'm generally not a fan of storm calcs and applying that to a characters' physical stats without good reason but I'm reserving judgement on that to see how the profiles are written currently.

Luffy was able to physically overpowered Crocodile's Desert Spada, and Desert Spada > casual sand storm.

And the feat scale to his standard AP, all his attacks are based on his Devil Fruit, he always used his sand powers even in physical combat.

 

[Damage3245]

Luffy was able to physically overpowered Crocodile's Desert Spada, and Desert Spada > casual sand storm.

And the feat scale to his standard AP, all his attacks are based on his Devil Fruit, he always used his sand powers even in physical combat.

The thing is, we have an actual calc for the Desert Spada that puts it at a lot less than the casual sand storm.

I think that using the results from one calc purely because it gets you a higher result isn't something that should be encouraged, if it produces inconsistent results.

It's like - for example - saying the power of Naruto's Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken is as powerful as a Rasengan (probably not the best comparison, I know, but still).

 

[Stefano4444]

Right now, Luffy's justification on his profile does not mean he should scale to Crocodile's sand storm. At best he seemingly scales ot Crocodile's Desert Spada which was calced to be Multi-City Block level, not Small City level.

Attack Potency, Crocodile's Desert Sparda is still Small City level despire the difference in destructive capacities, because the Desert Sparda should be logically be more powerful than (or at least as powerful as) a sand storm that Crocodile can create casually.

It's like say Piccolo's Makakosappo is not Planet level since it did at most destroyed a mountain, while his Moon busting Ki blast wipe out the entire Moon,.

 

[Captain_Torch]

Crocodile's Sand Storm isn't necessarily that strong when he creates it though. It travels, grows in size, and becomes stronger.

So I'm not even sure if it scales to Croc's normal AP.

 

[Stefano4444]

Crocodile's Sand Storm isn't necessarily that strong when he creates it though. It travels, grows in size, and becomes stronger.

Only in the desert, while this one was made in the middle of Alubarna.

 

[Damage3245]

Alubarna, which is surrounded on all sides by desert, right?

 

[Stefano4444]

Alubarna, which is surrounded on all sides by desert, right?

The sand storm for become stronger need to travel in the desert for a extended period of time, as for it to get stronger it need to absorb more heat and sands over time, like a natural sand storm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLZU2D5_RKw

In the case of Alubarna, the sand storm was created in a matter of seconds, without first travel around the desert and getting stronger, so no my friend but the comparation is not valid.

Crocodile didn't used the desert to boost his powers, it was all done directly by his own power.

 

[Damage3245]

I still don't think that scales to his typical AP, but I'll save that discussion for another thread.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Is Luffy Baseline 6-C, how many Gigatons does he scale to

 

[Stefano4444]

Not to mention that the whole jump from High 8-C to Low 7-B is really shaky.

Not the first time in this site and it can be apply to so many verses, especially with Anime/Manga verses.

 

[Captain_Torch]

@Stefano

Sure, the jump itself isn't that weird. But the fact that PreSkip OP has a lot of consistent small town - town level feats, and one small city level feat which not only shouldn't scale to his normal AP, but was also calced using inconsistent sizes does bring up some questions

 

[Dr.Fix]

You think Jack is that much weaker than Joker???

Reposting since I never got an answer.

 

[Damage3245]

Jack isn't rated as weaker than Joker though...

(He hasn't been updated to 6-C yet, but I'll do that in a bit)

 

[fandom_1cheapskate]

Rainbase is also surrounded on all sides by desert. the allowing of the small sand storm to get bigger as it travels could be written off as he didn't want to travel all the way to yuba to make a full size sandstorm there instantly but to pelt it with sand storm after sandstorm. We could just say to be safe that his sand storm base size is the small one he pelted at yuba but in a desert he could make it as big as the one in alubarna.

 

[Dr.Fix]

Jack isn't rated as weaker than Joker though...
(He hasn't been updated to 6-C yet, but I'll do that in a bit)

Okay, long as we agree that Jack>Cat, Dog, Joker

 

[Damage3245]

Yes, Dr. Fix. I agree on that.

 

[Stefano4444]

Like i have said, not the first time and i don't see why it should be an expection this time.

And for the inconsistent sizes, Oda is not the most consistent in term of scale yes, still the fact that the bomb's radious has been consistently stated to be of 5 kms and that Crocodile needed tboth armies to reamin fight inside the plaza to be sure no one could survive, does suggest that the place must have been around a size comparable with the blast

And in all maps relative to Alubarna, the plaza is less than half the size of the city.

And again, i don't see reason for the sand storm feat to not to be used to scale his AP, it was done casually (meaning Crocodile could have put a far more impressive feat is he wanted), all his attacks are Devil Fruit based and that Crocodile did have put far more effort to make them compare with the sand storm.

 

[Stefano4444]

Also, now i am remember, it was stated at the beginning of the Drum Island Arc that the rebel army was composed initially composed by 400,000 rebels, while the royal army was around 600,000 soldiers, but then 300,000 soldiers decide to switch side, putting the rebel army at 700,000..

In anycase, that mean one million of people was fighting during the battle of Alubarna, that are a lot of people and it would make sense for the plaza to be around 5 kms, it should be enough big to hold that amount of people quite nicely.

 

[Damage3245]

Again, let's save this for another thread please. We'll revise Alabasta ratings & Water 7 ratings at a later date.

 

[Stefano4444]

Again, let's save this for another thread please. We'll revise Alabasta ratings & Water 7 ratings at a later date.

Ok

 

[Ugarik]

Jozu durability shold probably be "At least island level" because he tanked attack from mihawk intended for whitebeard and only took damage from Kuzan who can negate durability

 

[Gear2ndGandalf]

Yeah this is better. The Whitebeard commanders are definitely 6-C and above. They're not weak just because we've only seen pre-time skip versions of them in action. They were very strong back then too as Marco held off a casual Kizaru.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, this thread has over 400 posts, and automatically closes at 500. It is starting to get time to create a continuation thread.

By the way, have the Yonkou, the admirals, Mihawk, Gol D. Roger, and Silvers Rayleigh all been updated to High 6-C?

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah, those characters are all High 6-C.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks for the help.

 

[Captain_Torch]

By the way, have the Yonkou, the admirals, Mihawk, Gol D. Roger, and Silvers Rayleigh all been updated to High 6-C?

Yeah, they were updated ever since I performed the revisions. I am usually as precise as possible, so I doubt I forgot about someone.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[Dr.Fix]

Jozu durability shold probably be "At least island level" because he tanked attack from mihawk intended for whitebeard and only took damage from Kuzan who can negate durability

How do you figure?

 

[Ugarik]

How do you figure?

He has limited durability negation in his powers and abilities

 

[Ugarik]

Doffy should be 6-C ( His threads can restrain characters as powerful as Jozu who are capable of inflicting damage to even Admirals) That's from his AP justification

 

[Damage3245]

That sounds like it should be more of a Lifting Strength justification than an AP justification.

 

[BlackeJan]

So has everything been set? r we good?

 

[Ugarik]

The last thing

From Jozu profile: Durability: Island level (Tanked a slash intended for Whitebeard from Mihawk without so much as a scratch to show for it. His Devil Fruit increases his inert physical constitution considerably. The only time he ever took damage in the war was from Aokiji, who froze him)


How is that not a Large Island level durability? I mean he tanked a strong attack from High 6-C source to High 6-C receiver without a scratch and only took damage from durability negating attack by High 6-C character

 

[Antvasima]

It was a long distance slice though, not a direct strike from Mihawk's sword.

 

[Damage3245]

Jozu does has a specific durability-enhancing Devil Fruit, on top of having Haki. So if we made his durability rating as;

Durability: At least Island level, likely higher

I don't think anyone would have any problems with that.

 

[Dr.Fix]

Jozu does has a specific durability-enhancing Devil Fruit, on top of having Haki. So if we made his durability rating as;
Durability: At least Island level, likely higher

I don't think anyone would have any problems with that.

Except he got one-shot by Freeze. Not to say Freeze is weak of course, that's not the point.

Duffy got frozen too, but it did not negate his durability. He overcame it without injury proving he's>Jonzu. Its def not an outlier either as his basic strings were also able to content with daimond dude too. We know cracker and the other sweet commanders are higher than Duffy as well. Jonzu also probably has the best durability of the three whitebeard pirates based on his abilities and he was the only one who actually drew a bit of blood from an admiral. Going off of those things Jonzu should be the strongest of the three but let's high ball them and say they're comparable. Then its still SCs>Duffy>Daimond=Flowers=Phoinex.

 

[Dr.Fix]

Also I don't buy the large Island level because of Mihawk. As Ant pointed out that slash had to cover a long distance before it hit anyone. Furthermore, Mihawk is controversial because by hype he should be Yonko Level but by feats he's way weaker. Either Jonzu and Vista are Yonko Level, or Mihawk was holding back at Marine ford . . . . .

Or Mihawk is overhyped, but I lean towards him holding back making the most sense.

 

[Antvasima]

Just a reminder that this thread now has 450 posts, and at 500 it will automatically close, so a continuation restart thread seems like a good idea.

 

[Captain_Torch]

Yeah, I'm also pretty sure Mihawk was holding back. He seemed to remain calm throughout the war, and wasn't really bothered by much.

Also yes, somebody should create a continuation thread

 

[The_Calaca]

I will.