Official Dragon Ball Continuities Citations

[Firestorm808]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Firestorm808/Official_Dragon_Ball_Continuities

1984 - 1995 Dragon Ball Manga

1986 - 1996 Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z Anime
An adaptation of the Manga by Toei Animation.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/animation-production/toriyama-contributions/

1997
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/wired-japan-1997-akira-toriyama-interview/

Toriyama: I'm the kind of person who doesn't worry about it too much, but if [the response] was extremely bad, there were times when I'd think, "I wonder why?". And also, I myself an extremely twisted person. So if, on a reader's postcard, it was written "That's this, and this'll happen like this", then I'd deliberately go with a development where that didn't happen, and if a certain character got fairly popular, I'd deliberately kill him. (laughs) Since I did it half-cocked without deciding [what would happen] up ahead, it was easy enough to change up that sort of thing as the circumstances warranted. Even with characters that appear to be doing the right thing at first glance….

Wired: There's actually "poison" inside?

Toriyama: Right. There's how, basically, Son Goku from Dragon Ball doesn't fight for the sake of others, but because he wants to fight against strong guys. So once Dragon Ball got animated, at any rate, I've always been dissatisfied with the "righteous hero"-type portrayal they gave him. I guess I couldn't quite get them to grasp the elements of "poison" that slip in and out of sight among the shadows.

Wired: Perhaps that's because it's animation aimed at children, after all?

Toriyama: Well, that might be some of it, too.

1986 - 1996 Original Theatrical Films
On the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z movies, Toriyama stated:

"I take the movies as "stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic". I'm entirely just an audience member for them." - Akira Toriyama, Daizenshü 6 Interview

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-6-akira-toriyama-super-interview/

1996 - 1997 Dragon Ball GT Anime
One Continuation of the DBZ Anime by Toei and not based on any Manga. http://www.dragonballgt.com/sagas/ http://www.dragonballgt.com/sagas/blackstar

1996
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/wj_1996_no13_db_if_you_please.jpg

2005
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-book-gt-toriyama-intro/

2009 - 2011, 2014 - 2015 Dragon Ball Z Kai
It's just a HD recut of the original anime. https://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/

Other Specials

2003 - Bardock - Father of Goku

2011 - Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock
It is way outside of the original broadcast run and considered a "what if" story. https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/naho-ooishi-episode-bardock-introduction/

2013
Toriyama considers the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga and its extra chapter, Dragon Ball Minus, to be connected to his series.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/v-jump-december-2013-akira-toriyama/

2015 - 2018 Dragon Ball Super Anime | 2015 ― present Dragon Ball Super Manga | 2013 - present Recent Films
Similar to the original DB and DBZ Anime, Toei took Toriyama's work/storyboards and created their own story.

2014
On Dragon Ball Z: God and God and Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F", Toriyama stated that:

"[As with the last movie], I thought up the new story for the next Dragon Ball theatrical film as though it were a continuation of the manga when it was in serialization. " —Akira Toriyama, V-Jump (2014)

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/v-jump-september-2014-akira-toriyama-comment/

2015
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/akira-toriyama-masako-nozawa-special-talk/ https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/v-jump-august-2015-issue-akira-toriyama-comments/ http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/about/staffcast.html#sc20150627 https://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/07/01/dragon-ball-super-complete-showcase-event-reveals-series-plot/

2016

Dragon Ball Super Volume 1 (Manga) Tori-Toyo Free Talk
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translat...manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-book-version/

Toriyama:

You're really good at composition! It looks so cool; these days there's no way I could draw such energetic artwork! Whenever I supervise anime and whatnot, there's always something that bugs me and that I'll ask to have fixed. But when I look at your storyboards, I can just take it easy. I can give it the OK in no time flat; it really makes things convenient (laughs).

Toyotarō:

Oh no… This whole time I was afraid of adding to your frustrations. Since the original story you give me is text, I constantly have your manga by my side as I draw. I don't want readers to say it doesn't feel like Dragon Ball… But at the same time, I also want to stretch my imagination and come up with brand new action and different kind of expressions.

http://vjump.shueisha.co.jp/comic/dbs01_sp_int/

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translat...-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

ANN Interview: Dragon Ball Super's Toyotarou
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

Did you ever think you'd be working for Shueisha on the official sequel to Dragon Ball? Was that ever the goal?

Not really. I just loved Dragon Ball. It never mattered where my work would be displayed. I just kept drawing it for years!

Viz Media
The original Dragon Ball manga is officially continued in the Dragon Ball Super manga.

https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapters/dragon-ball-super

"DRAGON BALL SUPER Goku's adventure from the best-selling manga Dragon Ball continues!" - Viz site

https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapters/dragon-ball-super

"- once again in this continuation of Akira Toriyama's best-selling series, Dragon Ball!" - All the Back Covers

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Super-Vol-1/dp/1421592541

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Super-Vol-2/dp/1421596474

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Super-Vol-3/dp/1421599465

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Super-Vol-4/dp/1974701441

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Super-Vol-5/dp/1974704580

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Super-Akira-Toriyama/dp/197470520X

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Super-Akira-Toriyama/dp/1974707776

2017
The Super Anime is a separate continuation of the original DBZ Anime, not Kai.

"The long-awaited continuation of one of the world's most beloved action anime, 18 years in the making!" - Found on numerous official product pages

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Super-Part-Blu-ray/dp/B071RGX65G

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Super-Part-Blu-ray/dp/B07BF24894

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Super-Part-Blu-ray/dp/B07FRLQ52T

https://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Super-Part-Blu-ray/dp/B07J3GTYPS

https://www.amazon.com.au/Dragon-Ball-Super-Part-Seven/dp/B07MMP3LV1

2018
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translat...-artisans-who-made-the-universe-survival-arc/

Viz North America Tour's History of Dragon Ball
Viz announced that the Super Manga is the direct continuation of the original Manga.

https://imgur.com/a/pjndMXE

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1057911567927271424

https://dragonballuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Cano

https://dragonballuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Tokyo_Skytree_+_Viz_North_America_Tour

Dragon Ball canon (µ¡úÕÅ▓, seishi; Literally meaning "official history") was first officially defined during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour in an exhibit called the History of Dragon Ball.

It was later reaffirmed in December 2018 in Weekly Shōnen Jump.

As of the start of this tour on November 1, 2018, the official canon of Dragon Ball includes Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga (which composes both Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z in the West) and the Dragon Ball Super manga, which has its story written by Toriyama and artwork drawn by Toyotarō.

During the event, the official canon history of the Dragon Ball franchise was revealed. The expose included a History of Dragon Ball timeline confirming the events of the Dragon Ball Super manga to be the "canon sequel" (µ¡úþÁ▒þÂÜþÀ¿, seitō zokuhen; Literally meaning "legitimate sequel") to Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball manga.

Toriyama

The BRoly movie is the next story of the Super anime.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/2018/03/...y-staff-visual-release-date-toriyama-comment/

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/973361940213809152

Weekly Jump
Toriyama added Broly and Gogeta into the Dragon Ball canon with Dragon Ball Super: Broly. https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1070890625803804672

 

[SSJRyu1]

This is interesting actually. I had not seen the one on DBZ being connected to Super like that. When it comes to "canon" I beleive that since there is no official canon its open to interpritation, but I personally have always beleived that DBZ anime is a part of DBS due to anime only characters like Gregory and Hercules disciples existing in Super, and many flashbacks from DBZ existing in Super, but this statement is very strong additional proof that the DBZ anime should be included in Super.

Of course the manga sttement is pretty straight forward and clear that it follows the origional DB manga.

Some other considerations are that the Broly movie iirc connects to both anime and manga, and also AT has said before that he considers both anime and manga to just be DB in general as one entity.

But yeah, im not making any final decision yet, I am interested to see what others have to say first.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I will say this, there are two primary canons. It starts out with the original Dragon Ball Manga 1984-1995. And then after that, it's split into two alternate canons; Dragon Ball Super Anime, and Dragon Ball Super Manga.

For the Dragon Ball (Toei) Continuity, it's the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z animes, and then Dragon Ball GT. With the 13 Dragon Ball Z movies from Dead Zone to Wrath of the Dragon and all the like in between. I think we also included Yo Son Goku and his Friends Return as part of Toei.

Dragon Ball Z Kai is pretty much its own thing. But has elements of mixing the original canon and the anime adaptation together.

 

[Firestorm808]

So what are your thoughts regarding the "continuation of one of the world's most beloved action anime" statement?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Continuation simply means successor, not that it's part of the same canon as the Anime. Because that would contradict a lot as a lot of the plot lines are more faithful to the manga than the original Anime.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Personally, I think Toei DBZ is connected to DBS.

 

[Firestorm808]

@DarkDragonMedeus

I can't say I understand. How did you derive "successor" and not being the same continuity from "continuation"?

I'm curious, what moments does Super contradict the original DBZ anime?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I heavily disagree with that, and I really don't want to get into the debate about that; again. There are way too many contradictions such as Bardock's backstory being different among other things.

There's also the way Frieza destroys Vegeta, it's animated much differently. Bardock also sents Goku to Earth himself to protect it instead of Goku getting forced to Earth to destroy it against Bardock's wishes.

 

[Missy0124]

the super anime is canon to the manga cause the admins make it so providing evidence and reasoning matters not this is already decided matter no dicussion to be had.


if you don't like how things are done on here leave cause it's not going to change no matter what you say and or do.

 

[Firestorm808]

@Missy0124

Please stay civil in this discussion. We do not need any negativity between members.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

No, the staff do not make it. It's clearly a different continuity because Toei is non-canon and just an adaptation. And Super is confirmed canon to the original Manga and Toriyama said so himself.

I also agree with Firestorm that hostility is not necessary.

 

[Firestorm808]

He did? If that's the case, can you point me in the right direction? I would like to add that to the OP for future reference.

 

[Missy0124]

DarkDragonMedeus


I've debunked the idea of super being canon to manga more times than i can count and the same reponse was given to me each time so don't act like this is some factally proven matter when it's not and we all know this is already decided upon and won't get anywhere so it's best you just shut this whole thread down to not waste anyone's time


I'm not being hostile i'm just pointing out how things are done on here and if people don't like the scaling or how things are done on here they should leave cause it's been the same way for as long as i remember

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

There was a discussion about the Super Anime and the Super Manga both being equally canon, because they're both based on Toriyama's interpretation. Toriyama himself hasn't directly wrote every detail for either the Manga nor the Anime. He wrote the overview in which Manga and Anime both had their own interpretations. Thus making both of them equally canon but as separate continuities.

They're both based on the official "Plot Outline" which is technically the main canon. Super Anime is a canon sequal to the Anime, and there has not been a single refute and the creators words take provenance. And their various flash backs showcase more Manga related story scenes.

 

[Missy0124]

Firestorm808


There's already been discourse setting the current standard in place so were just wasting our time on this cause the disccusion has already been had and done with many times already.


at the end of the day dragon ball's place on the wiki has already been decided so if you have some issue with the standards set ether leave or just accept them for what they are because what your doing has been done and does not get anywhere take it from my own experience trying to do this exact thing over 7 times.


People view things at a subjective and or personal level and since most of the dragon ball fans here are fans of super they will view it as canon cause of their own subjective view on the matter so even if the mods have no factor in this you will be shut down by the public consensus regardless of the objective facts or if your actually correct

 

[Firestorm808]

@DarkDragonMedeus

I did some digging and found the History of Dragon Ball exhibit by the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour. I've added it to my OP. It continues to support the idea that the Super Manga and some other films/shorts are the only ones officially published as the continuation of the original Manga.

@Missy0124

Just because there was prior negative discourse on the topic, that doesn't mean I want to perpetuate it. If you aren't able to contribute constructively, I ask that you let me continue the discussion.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

AKM Sama and Antvasima have both said other things, and I forgot where the exact source was. Ryukama is also well aware of it. But it's that both of them were based on the Plot outline. And the Manga was originally intended to be an advertisement for the Anime. The Anime was originally going to be the primary canon. Though times have changed later one, and the stories became different, but are not considered both equally canon.

However, the profiles aren't going to be changed any time soon. Also, that source confirms the manga is a canon sequel, but the Anime is also a canon sequel. This forum appears to be sharing more details. And the official interview is here

 

[Missy0124]

Firestorm808

There was no negative discourse on the matter mods just blocked me and most other people who were debating against their ideas see the shut down threads that constantly get blocked on here cause of their challenging perspectives anyways i'll see what makes you so different from the rest of us that makes you unable to be shut down.

 

[Firestorm808]

This thread isn't intended to revise any of the profiles. My purpose is to compile all the official evidense related to published contnuities and create a proper page to answer any future questions regarding how we treat said series' varying continuities on this site.

 

[Missy0124]

Firestorm808


Continuities matter in regards to profiles cause of scaling so if super goku scaled off of the toeiverse his abilities and stats would be different than if he was to scale off of the manga or video games.

 

[Firestorm808]

You are not wrong regarding the scaling implications; however, all that can be saved for a CRT should any changes regarding how we treat continuities occurs.

Right now, I would like to know any and all official statements from the publishers and the writers.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Firestorm is being fairly reasonable and well behaved, so he's cool.

 

[Missy0124]

Firestorm808

Toriyama states that the movies take place in their own universe and that anything not wrote by his own pen is not his work this is in regards to gt.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-book-gt-toriyama-intro/

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-6-akira-toriyama-super-interview/

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I linked this thread earlier and basically what Rubens and Bullza said.

First Rubens

I'd say both, but... most likely the anime.

Before you had the manga published first, then the anime based on manga - the manga has the first say in the matter. Now you have anime first, then the manga chapters based on the anime (in a conjoint interview with Toyotaro & Toriyama, the latter wanted Toyotaro to be more original with his own ideas), so probably the anime comes first.

Now, what I recommend to do (and someday I'll do that to) is to try to complement both stories.

Edit: Ah, found that interview https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translat...manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-book-version/

Now Bullza

The plot outline is what's canon. The anime and manga are their own interpretations of the plot outline adapted into different mediums.

One isn't more canon than the other however the anime includes content that was not in the plot outline like the Copy Water arc and other filler. So basically the Super anime is to Dragon Ball Z what the Super manga is to Dragon Ball Kai, they're both adaptations of the same thing but one has more filler to pad it out than the other.

But the manga version of the Universe 6 or Black arc isn't more or less canon than the anime version of the Universe 6 or Black arc.

So it's technically the Plot Outline that's the primary canon, with Toriyama encouraging both mediums to be more original with their interpretations. And thus considers them both equally canon.

 

[Missy0124]

DarkDragonMedeus


If interprations of a orginal medium are allowed to be canon then why is the dbz anime considered non-canon and how can the orginal notes/storyboard toriyama wrote count as the canon when we don't even know what those notes are or how in depth they are.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Because the plotline is not something released. Toriyama simply gave his work and entrusted others to create canon squeals. Back then, there was a Manga 100% original that's 100% canon while both Original Anime and Dragon Ball Z Kai are not canon. They have vastly different feats, plots, story scenes, ect and cannot be cross-scaled. So the original Manga takes priority over Kai or DBZ Anime in the main canon.

Super is officially the canon sequel, thus the original Manga is canon to both adaptations of Dragon Ball Super, which is what really matters. Plot line can't really be used for profile creations due to it not being released. However, profiles for each version of Super is made based on their different portrayals in power.

 

[Missy0124]

DarkDragonMedeus


Both the manga and anime of super have vastly different plots and feats but you still count both as canon and the whole idea of super being the official sequel has no factual merit from what i've seen unless you have proof or evidence that is.

This debate has been had and done tho so this thread really serves no purpose objectively and is just a waste of time.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

We don't consider the adaptations of super to be canon to each other, we just consider the canon manga to be canon to both adaptations. There is such as thing as One-sided canonicities. A prequel can be canon to a sequal without the sequal being canon to the prequel. But anyway, they're both alternate continuities that follow the original manga as they adapted faithfully from the plot outline that is Toriyama's work 100%. So in other words, both are still official sequels.

They may be different from each other, but profiles for the Super Anime will still be here.

 

[Missy0124]

DarkDragonMedeus


What evidence suggests the super medium is canon we know his notes aren't adapted faithfully saying as toriyama himself encourages both toyotaro and toei make edits and changes as they please you yourself stated this prior and toriyama's work is 100 percent but the issue is we don't know how much of super really is his own notes but regardless of which things are the way they are so i'm wasting my time anyways so take my banter as you will.


They don't really follow the original manga in regards to story,tone and or themes but regardless of which their canon in the franchise will not be debated or decided here that's for certain for two reasons this wiki does not focus on canon and a place that authoritatively controls the banter and or content will never lead a productive discussion on anything.


Let's not pretend that the canon system decided is good or even really viable when the main verse page has to state it's blatant flaws but as i've been told things are the way are users should just stop senselessly trying to debate this it's literally pointless i've been at this for two whole years what makes them think their going to do anything different than me.

I Could debate and think around your points rather perfectly i've done so before in fact but i've quit bothering with such cause that's not what gets things done and or decided on here and or anywhere else on the internet and world at large.

their alternate continuities according to your own judgement but their suppossed to be canon despite being alternate continuities by your own rhetoric and using evidence from kaizenshuu moderators is not a point it's the equivalent of using some random fan's word as god

 

[Firestorm808]

@DarkDragonMedeus

So I just finished adding the statements and organizing them in the OP. However, I haven't found any first-party sources regarding the Super Anime as a continuation to the original Manga.

I created a blog to reference for any future questions: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Firestorm808/Official_Dragon_Ball_Continuities

Viz is stating that the Super Manga and the recent movies follow the Original Manga.

Toei Animation is stating that the Super Anime follows the Original Anime.

On another note. Isn't this the same situation when Toei was adapting the original Manga.

Before, Toei Animation got the original manga and created the anime, adding filler vetted by Toriyama. Shueisha/Viz reprinted Toriyama's Manga.

Now, we have Toei Animation and Shueisha/Viz receiving the storyboards and creating different stories, adding filler vetted by Toriyama.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

We kind of already been having hundreds of discussions ever since 2015 or 2016, and have been having a lot more non stop to the point where we even had to make a Discussion Rule regarding it.

There's a completely different context. Back in the 80's the Manga was 100% the original work and is thus the primary canon; so we actually had a published work that's 100% canon. Meaning that both the Anime and Kai are simply adaptations and nothing more.

But for Super, the original canon isn't even a published work such as the Manga or Anime. The Outline is a sequal to the original Manga as stated by Toriyama with both the Manga and Anime simply being adaptations. I don't have a source on hand, but maybe someone else does. Perhaps someone like AKM Sama, Kepekley, or Ryukama do. AKM, Ryu, And Atvasima would all be saying the same thing. There really is not "Published version" of Super that's considered the dominant canon. We just have an outline and two published works and thus two primary canons.

Toei really isn't the best one to ask. Of course they'd compare it to the Anime since the Anime is their work. But it still follows the Outline more which follows the original Manga more than it does the original Anime. In fact, the Original Anime is filled with fillers that connect them to the movies, with all of them being interconnected with GT. And GT is clearly separate from Super given the fact that in GT, we have stuff like 17 not having his Island or Pilaf being old, which the very beginnings of Super permanently contradict those. This severing all connections to the original Toei verse continuity.

Also, Toriyama himself said back in 2015 that the Manga was meant to simply be a promotional material for the Manga. Like saying the manga is canon over the Anime is like saying a commercial/trailer for a movie is more canon than the actual movie. So back than, the Anime was considered more canon and it was also meant to be improvements over the two movies. Yes, they have changed and not the Anime and Manga versions of Super evolved into two alternate timelines. But they're both more or less like the Zelda Timeline. Think of Buu saga like Ocarina of Time and then both the Manga and Anime versions of Super are basically stuff like than Adult/Child timelines respectively. The ToeiVerse, has about as much canon as the various Zelda mangas and Cartoons that aren't canon to the games.

Anyway, the Super Anime and Manga are both follows of the manga given the Plot Outline.

 

[Firestorm808]

I see. Well, I'll continue to document the official statements to make everthing clear for future questions.

I can't seem to find the statements for "Toriyama himself said back in 2015 that the Manga was meant to simply be a promotional material for the Manga and the canon plot lines.

All I found is this Kazenshuu opinion.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/05/19/dragon-ball-super-to-receive-manga-adaptation-in-v-jump/

"At the moment it is unclear whether the Dragon Ball Super manga adaptation will be a true adaptation of its TV series counterpart, or will merely serve as a promotional tool to provide previews of upcoming episodes and story lines."

 

[Missy0124]

DarkDragonMedeus


Mangas are still the primary works for most anime out so the standard has not changed much factually speaking and the outline is never stated as a sequel to the original manga from the objective evidence i've seen.

Toei the creators of dragon ball super do not know what their talking about according to you but they have word of god on this matter pretty sure their stance matters more than some random power scalier on the internet and super does not have filler that's why copy vegeta does not exist apparently.

There is no objective reason to suggest that the manga of super is promotional material and the manga going ahead of the anime as of now disproves your notion of the manga purely existing for promotional reasons


Nobody thinks super is canon to gt and super being canon to the z anime would only make them serparte timelines so what's your point in arguing gt is not canon to super everyone argees with this notion even the people who think super is canon the z anime such as myself argee that and super lines up with manga better yep that's why tarble is not mentioned in broly and why gregory does not appear in the bog arc

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@Missy Actually, if you take Cowboy Bebop and Tengen Toppa Gurran Lagann; those are examples of Anime's being canon while Manga's being adaptations.

@FireStorm, actually, that statement right there heavily suggests highlighting the Anime as a primary canon. whether the Dragon Ball Super manga Adaptation will be a true adaptation of its TV series counterpart, or will merely serve as a promotional tool to provide previews of upcoming episodes and story lines.

He literally just said either the Manga is an adaptations of the Anime rather than the other way around or if the Manga is a promotional tool/advertisement for the Anime. Both of which seem to be highlighting the Anime over the manga in terms of Canon.

 

[Firestorm808]

@DDM

We're accepting statements from the third-party, Kazenshuu? I couldn't find any Toriyama quotes relating to the topic at hand.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

They kind of stated based on what they directly heard from Toriyama.

 

[Firestorm808]

If that is the case, what did Toriyama say? I can't find any of his quotes on the matter.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

If it's Toriyama's involvement that matters, wouldn't that make the Otherworld saga canon?

 

[Missy0124]

DarkDragonMedeus


a dragon ball is not bebop and or gurren lagan and b those are exceptions to rule almost all anime adapt from something ether some manga,vn and or light novel and why would the super manga be ahead of the anime if it's just promotional material on another note do have any sources to that claim or is it just baseless conjecture.


anime in most cases is just advertisement for the manga and or source material your claim of times changing makes no sense because the examples you gave were not recent releases and instead of asking me questions until you say gotcha how about actually addressing my criticism and try debating me.

off topic but is there anyway to change my username on this site and kaizenshuu's opinion on dbs's canon does not matter cause they do not have word of god nor do they have any involvement in production like toei and toyataro does so there literally irrelevant.

their opinion of the series has the same objective value that mine has which is none fans and people who enjoy the series have no objective impact on where the story goes and or what happens.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The Anime is on hiatus at the moment, though it's definitely going to come back eventually. Anyway, "Promotional materials" often come out before the canon. Commercials do come out before movies are released.

And it's not conjecture, it would never have been brought up if it was. But their is a source literally stated here, however, will see where Toriyama directly states this. And yes he has, but forgot where specifically. I have asked AKM Sama if he remembers where. The link also quoted Toriyama.