Observation discussion page

[MYHERO]

Hey guys I made an Observation blog right here

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MYHERO/Observation

Barebones right now, but I want to decide how we should go about this. To begin with, we need to determine the powers, but not only that we need to also think about how to present this as well. Should there be like a level system? A weakness category? Stuff like that. Input would be very useful.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

We don't need a power page for this. It's just Subjective Reality and honestly I don't like verses having individual powers.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Well it has its own uses outside of the typical possible used of Subjective Reality such as Conceptual Manipulation. Plus it's a large functioning part of the series as many characters such as Lucifer and YHVH are products of it and get some of their abilties from the power itself. So a page would help

 

[MYHERO]

We don't need a power page for this. It's just Subjective Reality and honestly I don't like verses having individual powers.

It's much more then just subjective reality, and I think having an individual page will help things make it more organized and that is what SMT needs rn, because the current profiles are really messy.

 

[Ionliosite]

Observation is WAY more than just subjective reality.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I know it's law Manip too but

I just dislike verse specific powers

I think Reppuzan does too

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Well again there's more to it than just something like Law Manipulation. Like Nanashi powernulling YHVH

 

[MYHERO]

I know it's law Manip too but
I just dislike verse specific powers

I think Reppuzan does too

No it's not just those two. It's a calvacade of abilities that warrants this to begin with. And it doesn't matter to me if some of you guys dislike this. If this is allowed, then I will use it to how I see fit. Go make a whole site wide thread talking about your issues with this if you're so hard pressed against the idea.

 

[MYHERO]

And tbh I don't even care if this becomes an actual page or not. I'm doing this so I can have all my SMT info in a organized matter, having it make the profiles more cleaner and organized is just the icing on the cake here.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I say keep the page.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Furthermore some of the DeSu2 profiles need the FPF's key like Miyako.

 

[Elizhaa]

Well it has its own uses outside of the typical possible used of Subjective Reality such as Conceptual Manipulation. Plus it's a large functioning part of the series as many characters such as Lucifer and YHVH are products of it and get some of their abilties from the power itself. So a page would help

^^

I agree on this point.

 

[MYHERO]

Update, I did a little touch up and added conceptual manipulation to it.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Who does top tier Observation scale to?

 

[MYHERO]

Morgana, Aigis, Diet Demifiend, Giorno Giovanna, Akihiko, Futaba, and the rest of the IVA cast respectively.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Nice.

Also refer to this for more hax on Observation.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

What is Diet?

Also, Observation should have power null

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Why so?

 

[MYHERO]

YHVH's goodies were rendered useless after the IVA cast took a big fat shit on him.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Oh, lol. That's... that's quite big.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Nice.
Also refer to this for more hax on Observation.

How would that help exactly? Curious

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It lists a bit more Hax.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

I already found alot of hax for it anyways. Plus the thread had some odd ideas

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

What haxes?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Conceptual Creation, Alteration and Destruction

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I see. Would stop tier Observation also scale to DeSu/2 casts?

 

[MYHERO]

I guess it's down to what you mean by top tier. When you said top tier I immediately when to SMT IVA because their observation works on a high 1-C level.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Like the kind Nanashi uses.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Not really. Only High 1-C tier characters have High 1-C Observation cause they have HIgh 1-C AP. Simple as that

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

So, Observation of that level only scales to IV? Are there any other feats of Observation of similar or comparable strength?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

I mean there one possible pair outside of IV Apocalypse that have that but those characters would require a whole revision thread or something before they can be sufficently acknowleged on that scale(Ask me on my wall if you're curious) . But that's it. Everyone elses Obvseration just scales to their AP

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

So if someone had Multiversal AP, it would be multiversal Observation?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Yee

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Well usually, it can differ at points

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Ah, okay.

 

[Blahblah9755]

I mean there one possible pair outside of IV Apocalypse that have that but those characters would require a whole revision thread or something before they can be sufficently acknowleged on that scale(Ask me on my wall if you're curious) . But that's it. Everyone elses Obvseration just scales to their AP

Observation doesn't only scale to AP, especially when used in groups. In DeSu, the Shomonkai's worship of Belberith was enough to give him a noticeable boost in power. Most of those guys are regular humans , but with a portion of the population of Tokyo they could make at least a small difference on a 2-A scale.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Well yes it's true. Humanity as a whole or in extremely large groups can affect lots of demons, even YHVH himself. It's just that a protag is worth like millions of humans normally