Obito Vs Ji Ning

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I don't see how he's dealing with the complex and nuanced plan of "hit him from afar but keep within range. Also, don't come close". Like, it's not a plan with many moving parts on Ning's end. He just has to gauge the limit of the intangibility and then either freeze or Swiss cheese him the moment it fails. Then Izanagi then Obito suddenly has either no Kamui or no Rinnegan. At which point, it becomes a lot easier for Ning.

And even in the rare chance that for whatever reason, Ji Ning decided to throw hands, there's a very real chance of Ning just getting frozen by instantly summoned water on his person. Or just soul-haxxed or paralysed.

How is it that high if I may ask? I checked the page (blog?) and there were 3 separate chains that didn't breach 4 layers. And 4 was Rinne-Sharingan IIRC.

Him getting hit from afar literally does nothing to obito has he can easily dodge, go intang or just say out of range, which gives obito the advantage since he vastly outrages him.

Ji Ning getting close range would most likely be the end of him due to intang, LS advantage and the fact he has no idea how to counter. It took the combined brains of Kakashi, Guy and Naruto to figure out his weakness and that was only because Kakashi has Obitos other eye. Granted Minato did figure out his secret, but in order to capitalize on it he need to have instant teleportation which I don't the Ji has.

This is his potency with his Sharingan
Mangekyō Sharingan > 3T Sharingan > 2T Sharingan > 1T Sharingan > Regular Genjutsu Potency.

 

[ZackMoon1234]

Ji Ning FRA

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I feel like people aren't reading through the thread before voting as Ji Nings wincons are pretty few.

 

[Arkenis]

I feel like people aren't reading through the thread before voting as Ji Nings wincons are pretty few.

you just hating how chaddy ji ning is.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

you just hating how chaddy ji ning is.

Not his first key as Obito seems to hard counter him, but his others are pretty broken.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Zoro vs Sasuke

 

[Arkenis]

Not his first key as Obito seems to hard counter him, but his others are pretty broken.

even his first is pretty good.

 

[Arkenis]

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5

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

even his first is pretty good.

No doubt, his first is really strong, as Obito would most likely lose without kamui and izanagi. Unless we argued his choices would be different and just genjutsu gg.

 

[speedster352]

I feel like people aren't reading through the thread before voting as Ji Nings wincons are pretty few.

Exactly just flawed arguments and reasons to vote for JI

 

[Planck69]

Him getting hit from afar literally does nothing to obito has he can easily dodge, go intang or just say out of range, which gives obito the advantage since he vastly outrages him.

Ji Ning getting close range would most likely be the end of him due to intang, LS advantage and the fact he has no idea how to counter. It took the combined brains of Kakashi, Guy and Naruto to figure out his weakness and that was only because Kakashi has Obitos other eye. Granted Minato did figure out his secret, but in order to capitalize on it he need to have instant teleportation which I don't the Ji has.

This is his potency with his Sharingan
Mangekyō Sharingan > 3T Sharingan > 2T Sharingan > 1T Sharingan > Regular Genjutsu Potency.

The whole point of continuous attack would be to gauge the limits of his intangibility, he's well aware of the lack of effectiveness. Like, this isn't a hard thought process to have;

- "He has some sort of intangibility. It doesn't seem all that likely that he's turly invincible and I have various methods of continuous omnidirectional attack. I can keep him within the attacks to see if it has a time limit or weakness of some sort and if it depends on his divine power or elemental ki".

And Ning can sword fight without physically holding it anyway. Let alone how Obito isn't watching him deal with his Edo Tensei when he has an actually effective way to deal with him in the form of his BFR.

The blog about genjutsu doesn't specify a layer difference between tomoe at all.

 

[Arkenis]

And also this been one of the best threads ive seen for Obito that wasn't just a stomp or heavily in Obitos favor.

 

[speedster352]

No doubt, his first is really strong, as Obito would most likely lose without kamui and izanagi. Unless we argued his choices would be different and just genjutsu gg.

This is why I am leaving the wiki after the nnt upgrades

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

The whole point of continuous attack would be to gauge the limits of his intangibility, he's well aware of the lack of effectiveness. Like, this isn't a hard thought process to have;

- "He has some sort of intangibility. It doesn't seem all that likely that he's turly invincible and I have various methods of continuous danmaku. I can keep him within it to see if it has a time limit or weakness of some sort and if it depends on his divine power or elemental ki".

And Ning can sword fight without physically holding it anyway. Let alone how Obito isn't watching him deal with his Edo Tensei when he has an actually effective way to deal with him in the form of his BFR.

The blog about genjutsu doesn't specify a layer difference between tomorrow at all.

What I mean is Obito can just kamui himself out of the danmaku anytime he wants, and he can just kamui the sword as well if he wants.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

The blog about genjutsu doesn't specify a layer difference between tomoe at all.

Each is one layer.

 

[Arkenis]

@Planck69 what's the self destruction for Ji Ning like? cause considering his regen, if Obito did try sucking him in Kamui or grabbing him he could just explode hurting Obito like Konan did.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

@Planck69 what's the self destruction for Ji Ning like? cause considering his regen, if Obito did try sucking him in Kamui or grabbing him he could just explode hurting Obito like Konan did.

Unless he can explode 600 billion times, it wouldn't do anything.

 

[speedster352]

@Planck69 what's the self destruction for Ji Ning like? cause considering his regen, if Obito did try sucking him in Kamui or grabbing him he could just explode hurting Obito like Konan did.

That’s will only work if obito is still there obito kamui JI and stays in the real world

Unless he can explode 600 billion times, it wouldn't do anything.

exactly

 

[Planck69]

And also this been one of the best threads ive seen for Obito that wasn't just a stomp or heavily in Obitos favor.

Same for Ning really. Most of his matches are pretty short.

What I mean is Obito can just kamui himself out of the danmaku anytime he wants, and he can just kamui the sword as well if he wants.

If he does teleport away then that's admittedly a challenge for Ning. That said, didn't he stick it out through Konan's attack when he was in a similar situation? Can't tell if that's a range limitation of his teleportation or just how he'd react to such an attack would be the use of an Izanagi.

The sword itself wouldn't mean much considering he has a thousand and would just resort to distant attacks of sword rays to keep him pinned in Kamui.

Each is one layer.

Dojutsu Genjutsu Hierarchy:

• The Last Sasuke's Genjutsu > Infinite Tsukuyomi > Kotoamatsukami > EMS Sasuke's Genjutsu/Tsukuyomi > Regular Mangekyō Sharingan Genjutsu > 3T Sharingan Genjutsu > Regular Genjutsu

According to the blog on the verse page, that isn't a distinction that's made at all.

 

[Planck69]

@Planck69 what's the self destruction for Ji Ning like? cause considering his regen, if Obito did try sucking him in Kamui or grabbing him he could just explode hurting Obito like Konan did.

Nothing to write home about really. And not really IC in this key at all.

 

[Arkenis]

Unless he can explode 600 billion times, it wouldn't do anything.

Uh what? a few paper bombs hurt obito remember?

 

[speedster352]

Uh what? a few paper bombs hurt obito remember?

But that’s only if Obito is still in the kamui dimension

Nothing to write home about really. And not really IC in this key at all.

 

[Arkenis]

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Same for Ning really. Most of his matches are pretty short.

If he does teleport away then that's admittedly a challenge for Ning. That said, didn't he stick it out through Konan's attack when he was in a similar situation? Can't tell if that's a range limitation of his teleportation or just how he'd react to such an attack would be the use of an Izanagi.

The sword itself wouldn't mean much considering he has a thousand and would just resort to distant attacks of sword rays to keep him pinned in Kamui.


Dojutsu Genjutsu Hierarchy:

• The Last Sasuke's Genjutsu > Infinite Tsukuyomi > Kotoamatsukami > EMS Sasuke's Genjutsu/Tsukuyomi > Regular Mangekyō Sharingan Genjutsu > 3T Sharingan Genjutsu > Regular Genjutsu

According to the blog on the verse page, that isn't a distinction that's made at all.

I believe it was because Konan knew the secret of his technique, which is why she set a trap for him, but she didn't know about Izanagi which gave him the upper hand.

That's the different types of doujutsu in the series, genjutsu also counts non occular abilities which SharinganGenjutsu scale above.

 

[Arkenis]

But that’s only if Obito is still in the kamui dimension

Speedster you really do not know Naruto. When Obito Kamui's he goes physical and if he tries kamuing Ji Ning he can just explode hurting Obito

 

[speedster352]

Yes but he can warp JI way faster than himself so you just help us instead

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

He was surrounded by paper bombs that could explode at anytime along with the fact he was flying which means he's unable to use kamui. Every time he tries to kamui himself, she sticks him with a paper bombs in order to stop him.

 

[speedster352]

Speedster you really do not know Naruto. When Obito Kamui's he goes physical and if he tries kamuing Ji Ning he can just explode hurting Obito

But he can suck him in kamui surpasses instant teleportation which Minato confirms himself.

 

[Planck69]

There's no point to the self-destruct line of argument. It's OoC for Ning and he only ever really uses it when in dire straits in his Void Fiendgod key.

 

[Arkenis]

How ya not getting the argument? If Obito goes and grabs Ji Ning he'll have to be physical and Ji Ning can just explode himself and regen from his blood that scatters elsewhere

 

[speedster352]

Double standard your using an ooc ability for Ji as an argument. Very disappointing. Such hypocrisy

 

[speedster352]

There's no point to the self-destruct line of argument. It's OoC for Ning and he only ever really uses it when in dire straits in his Void Fiendgod key.

How ya not getting the argument? If Obito goes and grabs Ji Ning he'll have to be physical and Ji Ning can just explode himself and regen from his blood that scatters elsewhere

Very disappointing.

 

[Planck69]

How ya not getting the argument? If Obito goes and grabs Ji Ning he'll have to be physical and Ji Ning can just explode himself and regen from his blood that scatters elsewhere

Yeah but Ning never goes for this sort of thing. It's a drain to regenerate and while he can do this multiple times, there's no functional point when just freezing or slicing him with a sword beam or just soul-haxxing would work as fine.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

How ya not getting the argument? If Obito goes and grabs Ji Ning he'll have to be physical and Ji Ning can just explode himself and regen from his blood that scatters elsewhere

Because Obito just goes intangible.

 

[Arkenis]

Because Obito just goes intangible.

So he'll stop holding onto to him then. Its that simple. He goes tangible to hold him if he's gonna get hit like he was going to against Minato he'll go intangible to not get hit.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

So he'll stop holding onto to him then. Its that simple. He goes tangible to hold him if he's gonna get hit like he was going to against Minato he'll go intangible to not get hit.

Yeah, and once the dude Regenerates the process starts all over again.

 

[speedster352]

So he'll stop holding onto to him then. Its that simple. He goes tangible to hold him if he's gonna get hit like he was going to against Minato he'll go intangible to not get hit.

It’s way faster for him to warp people away to kamui dimension. Next we have izangi and genjutsu that will make the bfr happen

Yeah, and once the dude Regenerates the process starts all over again.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

His self explosion isn't even in character, so no point in debating it.

 

[Arkenis]

Yea it fine, he still has his swordplay to attack Obito if he gets grabbed but I doubt he'll get grabbed when using rain domain

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Rain domain doesn't really do much given Obitos range advantage and his intang.