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Obito Vs Ji Ning
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Not really, since he could still put the three tails jinchūriki under, it's more of a nullification feat for Bee.
Arkenis
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I don't think he put the three tails under genjutsu. why was it out when Deidara and Tobi went to fight it? why was it even out if he already Genjutsued it?
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Because it died then ressurected
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It's stated in the databook that the mizukage was one of the few perfect jinchūriki.
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I'll vote once the one shot scaling thread is concluded.
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Also what are the current wincons for Ji Ning?
Arkenis
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Soul Hax, the ap difference, his danmaku
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His profile says hundreds of meters, is that how much his danmaku spreads out?
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Well reading the scans it calls it a tempest basically a large storm of rain raining down on the target and its stated this last for eight 8 hours in the real world.
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Basically to give more detail of the win cons, Ji Ning's danmaku is a large storm of sharp rain drops that last for eight hours and it protects him.
HIs soul hax: The many, incomparably savage and bloodthirsty Xiantian experts who were in charge of overseeing this city all began to howl in agony. Blood poured from each orifice, and they
died on the spot. These were the disciples and grand-disciples of Adept Qiandou, and had supported him in his evildoings.
Ning's divine sense was able to tell that these people were surrounded by the foul aura of sin as well. Ordinary people would neither be surrounded by the clear aura of positive karma
or the foul aura of sin. The fact that they were surrounded by sin represented that their vileness had already reached an extremely high level. Against these sin-covered malefactors,
Ning had used his [Soulshaker Art]; because the difference in power between them was too great, all of them died right away, blood flowing from their orifices!
HIs soul hax: The many, incomparably savage and bloodthirsty Xiantian experts who were in charge of overseeing this city all began to howl in agony. Blood poured from each orifice, and they
died on the spot. These were the disciples and grand-disciples of Adept Qiandou, and had supported him in his evildoings.
Ning's divine sense was able to tell that these people were surrounded by the foul aura of sin as well. Ordinary people would neither be surrounded by the clear aura of positive karma
or the foul aura of sin. The fact that they were surrounded by sin represented that their vileness had already reached an extremely high level. Against these sin-covered malefactors,
Ning had used his [Soulshaker Art]; because the difference in power between them was too great, all of them died right away, blood flowing from their orifices!
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On his profile he has up to hundreds of meters with his strongest attacks, so I'll assume that's the relange of this attack. Honestly this wouldn't really do much to Obito as he'd just be intangible and he could easily just disappear into his kamui dimension and appear out of range.
About this, it say "Ning had used his [Soulshaker Art]; because the difference in power between them was too great, all of them died right away, blood flowing from their orifices!" This seems to be strength related or what? Because that's how the description seems to make it out to be and if it is it wouldn't do anything against Obito.
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The tailed beast can counter so can obito with jutsu they have better range and hax and versatility than JI they counter and hax Ji to death genjutsu plus kamui gg
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We need all of obito win cons listed to compare to JI
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nice ramble and listing of random abilities
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I'd like to figure out Ji Nings Wincons first as I don't really think he has as many as people fra for.
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He'll wait 8 hours in the Kamui dimension? And if he appears out of range he'll just stay out there or Ji Ning would just turn it off. then do it again once he gets close.
Just because Obito's in the same tier doesn't mean he can't have his soul effected.
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Leaving alone that most of those were far above the 6-C+ rating anyway, cultivation explicitly strengthens one's soul and its resilience to spiritual attacks. Seeing as this isn't a thing with chakra AFAIK, he wouldn't resist.
As for Ji Ning's wincon;
The whole continuous danmaku whose individual attacks grievously injure people on Obito's level (really kill but I guess we're waiting for that Q&A to conclude).
The fact that he's agile enough to dodge most close range attacks and durable as well as having enough regeneration to deal with higher level ones.
The whole having danger sense to tell him what proximity and engagement would be dangerous for him. That and 360° vision to help him.
Soul-hax but this would be hard to pull off before he forces the use of an Izanagi and renders the Kamui useless.
The Rainwater Domain and Waterflame Lotus to cancel out Lava and Boil Release.
As for Ji Ning's wincon;
The whole continuous danmaku whose individual attacks grievously injure people on Obito's level (really kill but I guess we're waiting for that Q&A to conclude).
The fact that he's agile enough to dodge most close range attacks and durable as well as having enough regeneration to deal with higher level ones.
The whole having danger sense to tell him what proximity and engagement would be dangerous for him. That and 360° vision to help him.
Soul-hax but this would be hard to pull off before he forces the use of an Izanagi and renders the Kamui useless.
The Rainwater Domain and Waterflame Lotus to cancel out Lava and Boil Release.
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If he manages to BFR Ning, he'd admittedly win. That and if enough combined Bijuudama above Ning's tier (I think they were High 6-C combined?) would exhaust his divine power and thus regeneration.
That said, it doesn't look likely to me for things to get to that point before Ning kills Obito.
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Obito also has pseudo precog with the sharingan, and Obito has fought people with equal precog and danger sense without problems. Also Obitos Lifting Strength is vastly higher than Ji plus his Kamui intang will make close combat extremely difficult.
Soul hax is a valid win con, but obito has Izanagi which will neg it and give him important information which might just make him Genjutsu if he hasn't already.
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Danmaki isn't doing anything to Obito, though it might annoy the bijuu, which would probably just spam TBB. They also have far higher range and AOE than Jin.
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it was decided to limit combined biju bombs since they're low 6-b.
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Can you list all of obito possible win cons?
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Kamui, passive intang, vastly higher lifting strength, genjutsu, Izanagi, far greater range and numbers.
speedster352
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Exactly Obito has a higher chance of winning this but they won’t accept it
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Not sure how the lifting strength comes into play. The whole point is that the danger sense would warn him that getting close is bad and he just makes sure to maintain his distance from direct combat while dealing with the Edo and Tailed Beasts and keeping Obito within the range of the continuously firing sword formation (reasoning that whatever the issue his isn't likely to be permanent). Which wouldn't be a problem considering he's two minds acting independently.
Isn't the genjutsu like 3 layers? Ning's ability to deal with illusions is hand in hand with his soul and said soul resistance layers is at that number.
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Also, @speedster352 this is getting ridiculous. People are allowed to not agree with an argument and have their own interpretations. That's the whole point of this debate.
So stop accusing others of "ignoring your points". They don't. At this point, whether it's arguing for Obito or Ning, you're the only one who offers half-baked reasoning while accusing others of not listening.
So please, think before you post.
So stop accusing others of "ignoring your points". They don't. At this point, whether it's arguing for Obito or Ning, you're the only one who offers half-baked reasoning while accusing others of not listening.
So please, think before you post.
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Lifting Strength would be useful if they ever went H2H since Obito would grab him and he wouldn't be able to break free then Kamui him. Obito has delt with people that have danger sense and pseudo precog, I doubt he'd have issues here. Obitos genjutsu is at 4 to 5 layers I believe.
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Ok Obito's win cons are
Kamui: Kamui can bfr him which would be a win con. But how likely is this considering the Rain dao domain? It's not likely at all.
Izanagi: Izangi is the use of sacrificing his MS to allow him to keep coming back from deaths for a straight 10 minutes. is this gonna outlive the Dao domain? No since the domain last for 8 hours. This also would mean Obito loses a win con, Kamui and his amps from the ms.
Rinnegan: Obito has the rinnegan but what has he actually done with it? Obito hasn't used its numerous other applications as Kakashi theorizes that controlling the bijus and using the abilities would drain him of chakra, so while he has rinnegan abilities he has never used them, and its detrimental for him to do so.
Biju bombs: The individual biju bombs are 6-C, Ji Ning is higher into 6-C going to the point he's reaching High 6-C but regardless if we use high 6-C or not this still means Ji Ning is above the biju bombs and he also can absorb ki so he would likely absorb them if he was gonna be hit by energy.
Jinchuriki Abilities: The jins have abilities such as, acid, lava, water bubbles, light attacks, boil release. Can any of these scale to where Ji Ning scales? No. Roshi's lava form isn't enough to even burn trees he stands on nor is the heat he produces enough to melt away his surrounding and it slightly damaged Kcm Naruto though he was able to hold on to Roshi. water bubbles? barely damage kcm Naruto, acid? easily dodgeable by Ji Ning, boil release? Han's boil release couldn't kill kcm Naruto so its not killing Ji Ning.
Gedo Mazo: Is this even in character for him to summon? Yeah it is but merely to deal with weaker people, and its soul hax is never used besides when Nagato did it. Can it seal Ji Ning? Yes it could but is it stronger than Ji Ning? No.
Genjutsu: Obito's instances of using Genjutsu are small, I mean small. When has Obito used genjutsu offensively? He didn't against Minato even though he stared Minato in the face when they first fought. Obito's used it on Konan for intel never to kill her, He used on Yagura to control him, never to kill. Ji Ning also has the ability to split his mind so Obito would need to target both minds.
Kamui: Kamui can bfr him which would be a win con. But how likely is this considering the Rain dao domain? It's not likely at all.
Izanagi: Izangi is the use of sacrificing his MS to allow him to keep coming back from deaths for a straight 10 minutes. is this gonna outlive the Dao domain? No since the domain last for 8 hours. This also would mean Obito loses a win con, Kamui and his amps from the ms.
Rinnegan: Obito has the rinnegan but what has he actually done with it? Obito hasn't used its numerous other applications as Kakashi theorizes that controlling the bijus and using the abilities would drain him of chakra, so while he has rinnegan abilities he has never used them, and its detrimental for him to do so.
Biju bombs: The individual biju bombs are 6-C, Ji Ning is higher into 6-C going to the point he's reaching High 6-C but regardless if we use high 6-C or not this still means Ji Ning is above the biju bombs and he also can absorb ki so he would likely absorb them if he was gonna be hit by energy.
Jinchuriki Abilities: The jins have abilities such as, acid, lava, water bubbles, light attacks, boil release. Can any of these scale to where Ji Ning scales? No. Roshi's lava form isn't enough to even burn trees he stands on nor is the heat he produces enough to melt away his surrounding and it slightly damaged Kcm Naruto though he was able to hold on to Roshi. water bubbles? barely damage kcm Naruto, acid? easily dodgeable by Ji Ning, boil release? Han's boil release couldn't kill kcm Naruto so its not killing Ji Ning.
Gedo Mazo: Is this even in character for him to summon? Yeah it is but merely to deal with weaker people, and its soul hax is never used besides when Nagato did it. Can it seal Ji Ning? Yes it could but is it stronger than Ji Ning? No.
Genjutsu: Obito's instances of using Genjutsu are small, I mean small. When has Obito used genjutsu offensively? He didn't against Minato even though he stared Minato in the face when they first fought. Obito's used it on Konan for intel never to kill her, He used on Yagura to control him, never to kill. Ji Ning also has the ability to split his mind so Obito would need to target both minds.
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I don't see how he's dealing with the complex and nuanced plan of "hit him from afar but keep within range. Also, don't come close". Like, it's not a plan with many moving parts on Ning's end. He just has to gauge the limit of the intangibility and then either freeze or Swiss cheese him the moment it fails. Then Izanagi then Obito suddenly has either no Kamui or no Rinnegan. At which point, it becomes a lot easier for Ning.
And even in the rare chance that for whatever reason, Ji Ning decided to throw hands, there's a very real chance of Ning just getting frozen by instantly summoned water on his person. Or just soul-haxxed or paralysed.
How is it that high if I may ask? I checked the page (blog?) and there were 3 separate chains that didn't breach 4 layers. And 4 was Rinne-Sharingan IIRC.
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Yea it would be good but Ji Ning in his dao domain would be merged with the rain so idk what he'd be grabbing, Also he'd become physical which would give Ji Ning a chance to kill him.
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speedster352
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Yes we are allowed to continue since the votes are based on misinformation and head canon
Arkenis
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that's not how it works and they aren't based on that. please stop acting like every argument we make is just incorrect and "misinformation"
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