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Obanai & Tengen vs Daki & Gyutaro (4-0-0)
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The Hashira completely bully Daki so she's a non factor here
Uzui could basically handle Gyutaro himself, and Obanai is much stronger than Uzui, seeing how he's comparable to Mitsuri who's stronger than Swordsmith Village arc Base Tanjiro, who's comparable to his Marked form in the previous arc, who could behead Gyutaro
Gyutaro would get folded like an omelet if both Hashira focused on him, then they just kill Daki after and then it's gg
Uzui could basically handle Gyutaro himself, and Obanai is much stronger than Uzui, seeing how he's comparable to Mitsuri who's stronger than Swordsmith Village arc Base Tanjiro, who's comparable to his Marked form in the previous arc, who could behead Gyutaro
Gyutaro would get folded like an omelet if both Hashira focused on him, then they just kill Daki after and then it's gg
Catbowtie
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Oh yea he's handling him alright (Joking)
To be serious, that is wrong. Tengen was not handling Gyutaro. Tengen literally gets cut right here. He was on the back foot for the entire fight up until he could develop and actually use his Musical Score, which to remind, that he needed to play dead to develop. The image above him is literally him playing dead.
Sure, but they need to behead both Daki and Gyutaro at the same time, and Gyutaro just blocks/dodges. See my previous argument (To put it in a summary: Obanai and Tengen die to Poison)
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Tengen was handling him pretty well for a guy who's injured poisoned fatigued and busy protecting 3 other stooges from his opponent and his opponent's sister
Oh yea he's handling him alright (Joking)
To be serious, that is wrong. Tengen was not handling Gyutaro. Tengen literally gets cut right here. He was on the back foot for the entire fight up until he could develop and actually use his Musical Score, which to remind, that he needed to play dead to develop. The image above him is literally him playing dead.
I mean after completing the Musical Score he was able to do even better against Gyutaro despite being even more heavily poisoned and missing an entire hand
Obanai = Mitsuri > Emotion Clones = Swordsmith Village Arc Base Tanjiro > Entertainment District Arc Demon Mark Tanjiro > Gyutaro = Injured Musical Score Uzui > Uzui >>>>>>> Daki
Obanai is MUCH stronger than Uzui and Gyutaro here. Being stronger than someone capable of beheading Gyutaro (who has to slash through the most durable part of a demon's body) means that Obanai can replicate that feat with far less effort
Daki is such a non factor that she may as well not exist. Beheading Daki and Gyutaro isn't difficult if you just behead Gyutaro yoink his head and then rush down Daki
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Pretty sure both Uzui and Obanai are a little bit more skilled than Gyutaro, Uzui cuz that's the only thing that kept him in the fight, and Obanai just from scaling to him and the other Hashira. Demon Slayer doesn't have that many relevant skill feats outside of creating/learning Breathing Styles
At worst they should all be comparable to each other, except for Daki who's trash lmao
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Gyutaro's main win condition here is to tire them out and kill them with Poison Manipulation (That should at least be Layered, because it was giving Tengen, someone who has a higher Poison tolerance than all other Hashira, got affected by it nigh-instantly) This is Obanai's main weaknesses, because poison travels faster in his short body (NO WAY! IT'S ALMOST LIKE DEMON SLAYER FANS HAVE SEEN THE MANGA)
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the problem with this is that Obanai alone is already much stronger and faster than a character (Marked Tanjiro) who could behead Gyutaro already. Considering how much trouble Uzui was giving Gyutaro already, adding Obanai means that Gyutaro just gets beheaded easier
Sure, you could argue that the poison would eventually kill them, but Daki and Gyutaro will absolutely die first before the Demon Slayers do simply due to how outclassed they are
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dw I gotchu, I'm questioning it now myselfDidn't watch the episode
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Yeah ok I rewatched the episode
On one hand, Tengen has explicit resistance to poison and that's why he was lasting as long as he did, however Obanai should last as long as Tanjiro did when he got poisoned due to neither having poison resistqance, but Obanai will undoubtedly go down first compared to Tengen
On the other hand, after the Tengen Backstory schpeal, Tengen faced down both Daki and Gyutaro and nearly beheaded both of them, with Daki getting completely bodied and beheaded instantly, while Gyutaro nearly go beheaded when Tengen extended his reach by grabbing the tip of his sword-nunchuck
Throughout the fight, although Uzui was getting overwhelmed, his bombs could threaten Gyutaro enough to force him to dodge, Fifth form launched Gyutaro out of the building they were fighting in, and Fourth form could completely nullify his Rotating Blood Slashes.
Gyutaro wasn't able to completely overwhelm Tengen during his first encounter with him, much less Musical Score Tengen, so adding Obanai, someone stronger than both of them, isn't going to do him any favors.
On one hand, Tengen has explicit resistance to poison and that's why he was lasting as long as he did, however Obanai should last as long as Tanjiro did when he got poisoned due to neither having poison resistqance, but Obanai will undoubtedly go down first compared to Tengen
On the other hand, after the Tengen Backstory schpeal, Tengen faced down both Daki and Gyutaro and nearly beheaded both of them, with Daki getting completely bodied and beheaded instantly, while Gyutaro nearly go beheaded when Tengen extended his reach by grabbing the tip of his sword-nunchuck
Throughout the fight, although Uzui was getting overwhelmed, his bombs could threaten Gyutaro enough to force him to dodge, Fifth form launched Gyutaro out of the building they were fighting in, and Fourth form could completely nullify his Rotating Blood Slashes.
Gyutaro wasn't able to completely overwhelm Tengen during his first encounter with him, much less Musical Score Tengen, so adding Obanai, someone stronger than both of them, isn't going to do him any favors.
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Gyutaro was going to overwhelm Tengen with his Homing Attack had Tanjiro not been consistently stepping in to help Tengen by deflecting the attack. Musical Score Tengen was merely said to allow Tengen to hold up against Gyutaro with one hand, but not beat him. He was also going to lose first had Tanjiro not stepped in, either. If, and when Tengen and/or Obanai is about to behead Gyutaro, Gyutaro blocks, fuses their weapons to his, and blows up the immediate area around them. Tengen was implied to have either been one shot by this or lost to Gyutaro after they jumped off the building. Pick your poison. Once Gyutaro turns his attention to Obanai, unless Obanai can stall for the same amount of time Tanjiro did (which was only possible because Gyutaro and Daki threw the win), he's pretty much getting cut to pieces. Daki still plays a factor because her ribbons can block and stop people who were beheading her casually. If Gyutaro is about to genuinely get beheaded, Daki just...stops it. Or gives Gyutaro a break by blocking off Obanai or Tengen.
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Before I address specific points, now that we've both seen the fight, I'm pretty sure we can both agree that the fight will play out exactly like what we've seen, except we replace a heavily injured Tanjiro with f*ckin Obanai. Let that sink in
the fact that Obanai is on par with Mitsuri and Swordsmith Village Arc Tanjiro, who could face down and kill Hantegu's Emotion clones, who are individually stronger than Gyutaro (Emotion Clone > SV Base Tanjiro > ED Marked Tanjiro = Gyutaro's neck), goes to show that Obanai could just deal with Gyutaro by himself, albeit with a lot of effort and the poison would be a problem. Adding Uzui to that, who's already comparable to Gyutaro, and it just becomes a stomp. Poison or not, Gyutaro can't handle 2 other people on or above his level, especially with Daki holding him back.
This is true, I'm not arguing against that
Musical Score Tengen did better against a much more enraged Gyutaro compared to his non-Musical Score Self + Tanjiro despite losing a hand + being much more poisoned. Yes, he wouldn't win, but we're still forgetting that Obanai is there and is much more useful than Tanjiro
Tengen blocked that same attack with Fourth Form minutes earlier by himself. He was only hit by it since he was forced to pull Gyutaro away from Tanjiro and Hinatsuru, and also Gyutaro was biting down on his swords and preventing him from using them
That situation only happened because Tanjiro couldn't actually do anything against Gyutaro. Uzui was clearly shown to be carrying most of the weight in that battle, while Tanjiro had to do small things like block 1 blood slash and pin down Daki's Belts. Obanai is more than strong enough to actually participate and do damage. Uzui while poisoned was already strong enough to fight against Gyutaro + Daki's belts by himself at least decently, and adding someone on his level simultaneously would make it much easier.
No, not really. Read my previous point
the fact that Obanai is on par with Mitsuri and Swordsmith Village Arc Tanjiro, who could face down and kill Hantegu's Emotion clones, who are individually stronger than Gyutaro (Emotion Clone > SV Base Tanjiro > ED Marked Tanjiro = Gyutaro's neck), goes to show that Obanai could just deal with Gyutaro by himself, albeit with a lot of effort and the poison would be a problem. Adding Uzui to that, who's already comparable to Gyutaro, and it just becomes a stomp. Poison or not, Gyutaro can't handle 2 other people on or above his level, especially with Daki holding him back.
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oh btw, I'm voting for the Hashiras if that wasn't clear
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