NNT Physiology rework

[Makai641001]

Ok, I’ll quickly go over everything I disagree

Thanks for the input but this is supposed to be a crt about the pages in themselves and how we present them

1. Hellfire Manipulation isn’t an ability on the site anymore, so it should be removed

Fair let’s replace it with Enhanced fire Manip specifying it’s specificity

2. Only Meliodas’ Hellblaze has been shown to actually negate Ban’s Regeneration, and even then, it was only just barely, so that’s not a universal ability all

Doesn’t mean it won’t apply generaly to the use of Hellblaze this point is irrelevant

3. Immotality Negation is just wrong… Nobody has ever negated someone’s immortality, they just negated the regeneration

It actually killed the goddesses of the horn these same goddesses that aren’t immortal type 3 in this form also your argument is in contradiction with the previous one

4. The Supreme Goddess can regenerate from the complete destruction of her physical body, so Hellfire killing her would not be Low-Godly regen negation, it just means Meliodas and Zeldris destroyed her soul this time, which as we know, Demons can do, so yeah, no to even a possibly Low-Godly Regen Negation

Idk for this one SD is supposed to be able to regen even without a body unless the entirety of their soul is destroyed they should be alive

5. No Existence Erasure for Goddesses, them destroying both body and soul is not EE at all, it’s just soul destuction, EE is based on literally erasing someone from existence specifically

E.E is the ability to destroy the body leaving nothing behind Which is what Ark does higher degrees of EE should be able to obliterate the soul as well Which is what Ark does

Adding to what Mitch said, that is not resistance negation. Hellfire, while fire, in most cases isn't natural fire - and it's supposed to be a higher form of fire. So this is the definition of layered fire manipulation. Resistance negation has no basis.

The basis is the Forest being supposed to be immune to fire this fire being able to bypass Resistance is… i mean it’s eponymous

 

[Confluctor]

The basis is the Forest being supposed to be immune to fire this fire being

What do you mean?

 

[Makai641001]

What do you mean?

Forest and Izraf are resisting fire Hellfire bypassing their Resistance is Resistance negation

Édit: i understand your point tho that’s just an opinion

 

[Confluctor]

No, there is a huuuuge difference between layered hax and resistance negation.

Resistance Negation is the ability to remove an opponent's ability to resist certain effects, allowing the user to then affect them with those abilities. In extreme cases, this ability can even override apparent immunity.

However, simply overwhelming something with Hax stronger than what they can resist normally wouldn't qualify

 

[Makai641001]

No, there is a huuuuge difference between layered hax and resistance negation.

Why would your theory supersede another one by default?
It’s able to wound Irzraf despite his immunity to fire

 

[Zencha9]

Because again nothing mentions "negation" of any kind at all so why assume that

 

[Makai641001]

Because again nothing mentions "negation" of any kind at all so why assume that

Izraf mentions the fire negating his Resistance iirc

 

[speedster352]

Because again nothing mentions "negation" of any kind at all so why assume that

Hellblaze is mostly referred as fire from the demon realm that was able to burn the fairy king forest that was immune to regular fire and Izraf who was also immune to regular fire.

 

[speedster352]

Fine, but what about change hellfire manipulation to Hellblaze Manipulation? I saw many others profile replace it with the name of ability in their verse

That could work

 

[Zencha9]

Izraf mentions the fire negating his Resistance iirc

nope he never says it "negated" his resistance just that it's a special fire

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Gonna agree on mitch here

 

[speedster352]

nope he never says it "negated" his resistance just that it's a special fire

We been trough this in the past byashura and ant agreed with this. Purgatory flame can burn the Fairy King's forest which is immune to natural fire[10] and Izraf stated it could harm him although regular fire could not[11].

 

[Zencha9]

We been trough this in the past byashura and ant agreed with this. Purgatory flame can burn the Fairy King's forest which is immune to natural fire[10] and Izraf stated it could harm him although regular fire could not[11].

so back to square one me and Confluctor think it's not negation because negation was never mentioned anywhere byashura and ant disagree this is obviously isn't gonna get fixed if we keep going like this so we need more staff opinon since obviously there isn't a consensus nor will there be with the way we're going about it

 

[Rabbit2002]

I think I agree with Zen and Confluctor, resistance neg should be remove

 

[speedster352]

I think I agree with Zen and Confluctor, resistance neg should be remove

Whatever just specify that it can burn things that are immune to natural fire. Also ask what byashura thinks on this

 

[Elizhaa]

Looking back, the fire seems would be just higher/stronger fire, not resistance negation like said. IT could have been resistance negation if there was an explicit statement of resistance being negated.

 

[speedster352]

Looking back, the fire seems would be just higher/stronger fire, not resistance negation like said. IT could have been resistance negation if there was an explicit statement of resistance being negated.

Wouldn't burn something immune to fire warrant this? It was never stated to be stronger fire just fire from the demon realm. But whatever just put can burn things immune to regular fire.

 

[Zencha9]

Wouldn't burn something immune to fire warrant this? It was never stated to be stronger fire just fire from the demon realm. But whatever just put can burn things immune to regular fire.

No that's just how it is

 

[speedster352]

No that's just how it is

Explain

 

[Makai641001]

Ok i thought that being able to burn people that can’t be burned by normal fire would work

 

[Makai641001]

Ok, I’ll quickly go over everything I disagree

1. Hellfire Manipulation isn’t an ability on the site anymore, so it should be removed

2. Only Meliodas’ Hellblaze has been shown to actually negate Ban’s Regeneration, and even then, it was only just barely, so that’s not a universal ability all

3. Immotality Negation is just wrong… Nobody has ever negated someone’s immortality, they just negated the regeneration

4. The Supreme Goddess can regenerate from the complete destruction of her physical body, so Hellfire killing her would not be Low-Godly regen negation, it just means Meliodas and Zeldris destroyed her soul this time, which as we know, Demons can do, so yeah, no to even a possibly Low-Godly Regen Negation

5. No Existence Erasure for Goddesses, them destroying both body and soul is not EE at all, it’s just soul destuction, EE is based on literally erasing someone from existence specifically

I’m okay with removing Resistance Negation the rest is a no

 

[Zencha9]

Explain

However, simply overwhelming something with Hax stronger than what they can resist normally wouldn't qualify

from the resistance neg page itself

 

[speedster352]

I’m okay with removing Resistance Negation the rest is a no

Same here

 

[Makai641001]

from the resistance neg page itself

Izraf don’t even talk about it being higher he talks about it being a kind of fire he can’t resist tho but ok i think We should erase it

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

he talks about it being a kind of fire he can’t resist tho

And that just means the fire is more potent than the ones he resisted before. He never said that it negated his resistance.

 

[Makai641001]

And that just means the fire is more potent than the ones he resisted before. He never said that it negated his resistance.

Ok i thought the « type » thing was indicating the fact that it was the nature of the fire that was > him not the température but i said i was okay with removing Resistance negation

 

[speedster352]

Ok i thought the « type » thing was indicating the fact that it was the nature of the fire that was > him not the température but i said i was okay with removing Resistance negation

It’s fine but we just have to specify can burn things that cannot be burnet by regular fire

 

[Makai641001]

It’s fine but we just have to specify can burn things that cannot be burnet by regular fire

Let’s do this then

 

[speedster352]

Fine, but what about change hellfire manipulation to Hellblaze Manipulation? I saw many others profile replace it with the name of ability in their verse

Can you add the abilities from makai crtwill you wait until yours is accepted? Either way works to save time and close the crt for nnt.

 

[Rabbit2002]

Can you add the abilities from makai crtwill you wait until yours is accepted? Either way works to save time and close the crt for nnt.

This is just a crt about Demon and Goddess physiology

 

[speedster352]

This is just a crt about Demon and Goddess physiology

I mean the ones related to the demon and goddesses clan in his crt that way you can add it to your sandbox also could you apply the changes in this thread?

 

[Rabbit2002]

I mean the ones related to the demon and goddesses clan in his crt that way you can add it to your sandbox also could you apply the changes in this thread?

I think you should ask the others, because I'm really busy now

 

[speedster352]

So is there enough staff input? I am pretty sure mitch arguments were countered

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

I am pretty sure mitch arguments were countered

I'm pretty sure it wasn't

 

[Makai641001]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't

I’m pretty sure it wasn’t for the Resistance negation but was for everything else

Ok, I’ll quickly go over everything I disagree

1. Hellfire Manipulation isn’t an ability on the site anymore, so it should be removed

2. Only Meliodas’ Hellblaze has been shown to actually negate Ban’s Regeneration, and even then, it was only just barely, so that’s not a universal ability all

3. Immotality Negation is just wrong… Nobody has ever negated someone’s immortality, they just negated the regeneration

4. The Supreme Goddess can regenerate from the complete destruction of her physical body, so Hellfire killing her would not be Low-Godly regen negation, it just means Meliodas and Zeldris destroyed her soul this time, which as we know, Demons can do, so yeah, no to even a possibly Low-Godly Regen Negation

5. No Existence Erasure for Goddesses, them destroying both body and soul is not EE at all, it’s just soul destuction, EE is based on literally erasing someone from existence specifically

1)
2) Hellblaze effects should scale to Hellblaze users
3) He first of all contradicts his previous statement about Meli only ever negating Ban’s regen to say he negated the goddess Regen.
And he Also talks about their Immortality relying on regen while it’s absolutely not the case in the horn
4)That’s not how demons destroy souls tho her regen will kick in if her soul is still active they just managed to bypass it Also her soul wasn’t really destroyed in the process graces still exist that’s not about destroying the soul they managed to bypass her ability to regen her whole body
5)Ark destroys completely the body and can Also affect soul it’s not just destroying the soul that’s erasing someone’s existence it’s already been discussed in P/A threads and everyone agreed to it.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

I’m pretty sure it wasn’t for the Resistance negation but was for everything else



1)
2) Hellblaze effects should scale to Hellblaze users
3) He first of all contradicts his previous statement about Meli only ever negating Ban’s regen to say he negated the goddess Regen.
And he Also talks about their Immortality relying on regen while it’s absolutely not the case in the horn
4)That’s not how demons destroy souls tho her regen will kick in if her soul is still active they just managed to bypass it Also her soul wasn’t really destroyed in the process graces still exist that’s not about destroying the soul they managed to bypass her ability to regen her whole body
5)Ark destroys completely the body and can Also affect soul it’s not just destroying the soul that’s erasing someone’s existence it’s already been discussed in P/A threads and everyone agreed

2 didn't debunked anything to be honest you just said it should scale because it should just scale.
3 What previous statement?
4 Can you explain this a bit more and in a more understanding way and also since i didn't follow the series right through the end.
5 I'm confused on this.

 

[speedster352]

2 didn't debunked anything to be honest you just said it should scale because it should just scale.
3 What previous statement?
4 Can you explain this a bit more and in a more understanding way and also since i didn't follow the series right through the end.
5 I'm confused on this.

Actually we have this statement so the stronger a demon is the better there hellblaze.

 

[Makai641001]

2 didn't debunked anything to be honest you just said it should scale because it should just scale.
3 What previous statement?
4 Can you explain this a bit more and in a more understanding way and also since i didn't follow the series right through the end.
5 I'm confused on this.

1) It should scale cause it’s the exact same ability by the exact same race that have a Physiology page cuz they have these said abilities in common Which is the principle of what a Physiology page is (Granting abilities to people that are from a same group if they are depicted as able to use said abilities in this case demons can all use this fire)

2)The thing he said about Meli only ever negating Ban’s regen but that’s not really important

3) Basically she should still be Alive and able to regen if it was just about destroying her soul since she rely on the graces anyway what they did was permanently destroying her body negating her regen in the process the only reason why she should still be alive is the existence of the graces that are apart from her body
So if she cannot regen despite existing still and normally being able to regen a body they remove sai

4)Confused about what it follow the existence erasure definition and we asked the P/A thread about it it erase the body and can even erase the soul if the mastery of the user is good

There is no other problem except what i agreed with imo but y’all can still discuss it if you want
By Asura agreed with E.E the p/a thread too and the 7DS/4kota GC too

I gtg to sleep see y’all tomorrow

 

[speedster352]

bump

 

[Makai641001]

bump

I think we can apply the new model and just remove what we agreed on (Resistance negation being a higher layer of Heat manip and the name problem for the Hellblaze Manip thing) the rest of what Mitch disagreed with is just… wrong