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I thought yall were talking about Ark/Light Manipulation only working on demons or some shit
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NNT Physiology Revision (Punching Air Edition)
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Existence Erasure is via Ark, so it's still interconnected with the entire convo at hand.
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Nothing ever says this so ig deconstruction and Soul destruction could be fine even though the definition for existence erasure should be changed for a more detailed version
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Basically what we're debating rn is
- Power Nullification only being applicable to demonic magic, not every type of magic.
- Existence Erasure actually not being Existence Erasure but rather Soul Destruction.
- Vampires shouldn't be scaling off of each other's regeneration without direct statements or heavy implications
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Light Can work on anybody
It can heal anybody
Destroy magic
Pierce through fairies or humans it’s not just about demons
Light does negate darkness though hence why it’s most of the time used efficiently to negate demons durabilities etc…
It can heal anybody
Destroy magic
Pierce through fairies or humans it’s not just about demons
Light does negate darkness though hence why it’s most of the time used efficiently to negate demons durabilities etc…
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Pretty sure you'd need scans for this.
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K? has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, no one disagreed with this.
Prove it can destroy non-demonic magic, it should be easy to prove it with scans, but you haven't presented them yet.
Yes because the light can create Kinetic Energy?, Ark isn't just some esoteric attack that's non-physical, it physically exists and has mass so it's still affected by Kinetic Energy. Which is the part that allows it to damage faeries and humans.
Doesn't actually contest the argument which i presented previously.
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Yeah but what about its special effects? All we've seen is that it can harm non demonic entities conventionallt
Demonic Magic
Yeah it can harm others but with no other side effects
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It managed to rot away magic nothing implies it can only rot away only a single type of magic
Deconstruction and Soul destruction
I think they should as their highly regenerative body is something related to their race
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I already addressed this argument in my post against Duedate.
Agree.
Doesn't prove High-Mid is scaleable between every single vampire clan member, you need evidence to assert such a claim. Which you haven't provided yet.
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One of the scans of the OP actually stated it
Yeah I was just giving exemples about it not only damaging demons
it has special effects depending on the race it depends
the scan just says magic
Not the same side effects*
Pain Manip is a side effect of the use of light against other races
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Which one?
I never disagreed that it can damage other races, i'm saying the deconstruction and power nullification properties of Ark only effect demons.
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Magic is What Is said in the scan nothing indicates it’s just about demons you can’t just décide it’s only about demonic abilities (That aren’t even magic for most of them) when it Is said to rot away MAGIC
Nothing disprove it in fact the databook generalise the High regenerative abilities to the clan i don’t see why We should assume someone as weak as Orlondi has better regen than stronger members when the author tends to reinforce abilities and make them correlate with power for the clans
Where Is it implied that Orlondi have far better regen than the others ?
If you can’t find any evidence to assert such things then ig They should scale to their physiology as They have it in common
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Where does it rot away other types of Magic? Wasn't the statement only made when Ark was used on civilian demons?
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Might Not be From the OP but it specifically states MagicWhich one?
I never disagreed that it can damage other races, i'm saying the deconstruction and power nullification properties of Ark only effect demons.
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Ark isn’t used often so it’s the only statement it gets this statement Is enough tho i don’t know why We should ignore it even if he Is direct
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I addressed this scan so many times, if you want my argument against it check my response to Duedate who made the exact same argument you're making.
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Maybe because it's specifically talking about the demons trapped inside the Ark, since Melascula was talking about what was happening to the demons inside
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It’s weird that they stated magic even though they generally use demonic abilities instead
Ok i’ll wait for 4kota to Go deeper and give us more infos then you can apply the changes i think
I addressed this scan so many times, if you want my argument against it check my response to Duedate who made the exact same argument you're making.
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The only things that Demons have that aren't powered by their Magic is the Power of Darkness. Everything else is powered by their Magic.
Even Zeldris makes a note of Excalibur's magic being different from that of Demon Magic
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Most of their abilities are darkness related.The only things that Demons have that aren't powered by their Magic is the Power of Darkness. Everything else is powered by their Magic.
Even Zeldris makes a note of Excalibur's magic being different from that of Demon Magic
The wings and weapon creation
Hellblaze
The cage of darkness
Their non physical attacks using Dark matter
Their enchantment
Ominous nebulae/bind
And many others even their regen Is darkness based
The author tends to be inconsistant with the dépiction of « magic » and in fact most of the magic isn’t magic it’s Natural elements
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Darkness related but still requires their Magic to operate, the whole point of the 10 Cs eating souls
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Maybe to invoke them Yeah
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Neutral, but to add to this, Ark doesn't work effectively against Estarossa (despite having the ability of darkness) since he's a Goddess, not a true Demon. And it's about as effective as a normal attack on Rou/his human colleagues, rather than deconstructing them.
I think limited Deconstruction (on demons specifically) makes more sense than limited Power Nullification (both could also work), since it does seem to affect aspects of Demons that aren't limited to Darkness, like their generalised magic/not affect beings simply because they have the power of Darkness.
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This doesn't make sense to me. Orlondi is in no way special compared to other vampire royalty, or anything. We have no reason to assume his intrinsic physiology is in some way different, whereas someone like Fraudrin has actually displayed numerous unique traits (like jumping from bodies at will when damaged to that level).
But I will say that I've always been suspicious of the feat itself.
Vampires explicitly can't regenerate from decapitation or dismemberment (also being reduced to a charred corpse, but that might be a special case). For example, one member of the Royalty is killed when his lower body is crushed, albeit after some time, while another is killed when his head is sliced in two. Yet Gelda was able to regenerate and survive decapitation because DK's blood strengthened her.
Orlondi had just been snacking on tons of blood from Ban, who's regenerated from body destruction on numerous occasions. Additionally, Ban's blood can heal injuries even without Vampiric powers. After that, Orlondi was taken as Merlin's spy and physically transformed into this abomination.
So, I think the more obvious conclusion is that vampires normally can't survive this level of injury (as I showed with Ganne crushing Mod), but Orlondi had been strengthened by Ban's blood.
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It makes sense to me so Low Mid regen
normally with High Mid regen when drinking blood
Also if Ban’s blood related abilities worked why didn’t it regen entirely her body
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Would’ve lost the totality of it in fact
But ig it’s just the author being inconsistant.
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I wouldn't say the totality, since it did had time to circulate (circulation takes 45 seconds). So it probably did have enough time to at least strengthen him.
Edit: On second thought, I don't think vampires have functioning hearts, so maybe it wouldn't take 45 seconds. But you also have to keep in mind that Orlondi was like 90% blood at this point.
Edit: On second thought, I don't think vampires have functioning hearts, so maybe it wouldn't take 45 seconds. But you also have to keep in mind that Orlondi was like 90% blood at this point.
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You could mention in the regeneration of the character this thing. Like i've seen some series where X can regenerate from decapitation, limbs, being burned to a charred state, organs but cant regenerate their heart. Its a regen with a weakpoint to say. You could try to explain it on the profile and shouldnt be a problem.
I agree with what Deceived stated till now.
Then for the rest of powers, post the scans linked the example given. Not all people who talk here have started the series or finished it ... I for example has read just a bit after Escanor bit the dust. While for some, even if they finished, could have forget. At the same time, you do need the scans as prof for said powers.
I agree with what Deceived stated till now.
Then for the rest of powers, post the scans linked the example given. Not all people who talk here have started the series or finished it ... I for example has read just a bit after Escanor bit the dust. While for some, even if they finished, could have forget. At the same time, you do need the scans as prof for said powers.
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Definitely agree.
It should be Limited Deconstruction and Limited Power Nullification since Arks do erode away the magic of demons and deconstruct their physical bodies as well. But it should definitely be explained that it's only applicable against demons.
Given the context behind the feat it should definitely only scale to Orlondi after he consumed Ban's blood, so i also agree with your assessment here (
Based.
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Unfortunately, disagreeing with me is cringe.
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Bump
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I'm going to enact grace on this thread given the fact I've.
- I got four mods agreeing with my thread compared to just one mod disagreeing with a couple things, which i countered, they also haven't responded to said counter yet in over a couple days.
- Vastly more normal members agreeing with my thread compared to normal members disagreeing.
- Thread already passing the needed amount of time for grace to be enacted.
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