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Continuing from my previous thread
Counting on with CRT spree with NNT, this thread is explicitly focusing on the physiology-based abilities which i either personally disagree with, wanted to revise or need further clarification on given the relative low-quality of the pages i'm dealing with.
With that, lets get this thread started.
Neither scan present on the page actually proves Resistance Negation at all, the fairy king's forest being immune to normal flames =/= Hellblaze needing to have Resistance Negation to actually burn down the forest since
1. Purgatory Fire aren't “natural flames” at all, they’re explicitly unnatural flames which demons can use and create. So that statement wouldn't be applicable to them.
2. Purgatory Fire have heats which are vastly above any natural flame in existence, with it being able to burn and damage people who resisted the heat of lightning bolts while in mid-air like Gilthunder.
This is also applicable to the Izraf statement since he isn’t saying or implying that only Purgatory Fire can wound him because of it specifically negating his resistance in the way which would grant Resistance Negation, it’s more so he’s saying that Purgatory Fire has higher temperatures comparative to normal flames, with normal flames being unable to “wound” him but Purgatory Fire being able to “wound” him because of massively increased heat/potency.
Given this context about both feats, this should be removed from the page entirely since the feats used aren’t actual feats of Resistance Negation.
Self-Sustenance (Type 2) -
Doesn’t have a scan or a satisfactory explanation about the ability, if supporters can’t grab the scans needed for this ability or explain in-depth why it should remain on the page. It should be removed.
Scans have been provided.
Ice Manipulation -
Same reasoning as above, though while it does have a better explanation compared to the Self-Sustenance, it still doesn’t have any scans which concretely proves the resistance. If supporters can’t grab scans of these feats then the resistance should be removed from the page.
Scans have been provided.
Gravity Manipulation -
We explicitly don’t give people resistance to Gravity Manipulation unless we’re given extra context which proves the character isn’t resisting the ability through sheer lifting strength alone. Hendrickson doesn’t have a statement like this, which means unless supporters can grab scans which proves Hendrickson didn’t resist the gravity via sheer strength alone it should be removed from the page.
Existence Erasure -
Ark's shouldn't have EE as explained below, so demon's resistance towards it should also be removed.
This should be changed into limited since it only happens while goddesses materialize into the physical world, and only last a couple seconds at most.
Deconstruction -
This should be changed into limited since it’s heavily implied by Monspeet the reason behind why Ark’s actually deconstruct demons is because it’s “a power that specifically counteracts our darkness”, which is something only demonic entities have in the series as stated also by Monspeet. So unless supporters can provide evidence of Ark’s deconstructing things which aren’t demonic in nature this should be specified to work only on demonic entities.
Power Nullification -
Same reasoning behind Deconstruction, if shown to only work against powers which are from demonic entities it should be specified to only work on demons.
Existence Erasure -
The scan which is used to argue this ability doesn't imply Existence Erasure at all, it only denotes the Ark's of higher-ranking angels not only destroy the physical body, but also the spiritual one alongside it. This would only be Soul Manipulation since "destroy" doesn't imply the soul being completely erased from existence at all. Unless supporters can provide extra context which points to the "destroy" statement being an EE statement rather than a Soul Manipulation statement this should be removed from the page.
Every vampire profile on the wiki seems to scale off of Orlondi’s statement which implies he can regenerate over an unspecified time after being reduced to an eyeball.
Now my problem with this is why are we assuming this would be applicable to every single vampire in the series if zero statements or even implications exist that it would scale? Just because they’re a part of the same race of creatures doesn’t mean they’d all intrinsically have the same level of regeneration without a proper statement or heavy implications.
If statements or heavy implications do exist of this being applicable to every single member of the vampire clan then I'm fine with this staying, but if there isn’t then this should be removed from every vampire profile that isn’t named Orlondi.
Self-Sustenance (Type 2) -
Doesn’t have any scans or satisfactory explanations on why it’s on their profiles, if supporters can’t grab scans or explain in-depth why it should stay on the profiles, it should be removed
Scans have been provided.
Agree - Kachon123, Arc7Kuroi, LIFE_OF_KING, LordGinSama, DemonGodMitchAubin, Makai64100 (agrees with somethings), Duedate8898 (agrees with somethings), RandomGuy2345, Zaratthustra, ByAsura (Agrees with Vampire Regeneration Scaling and Decon/Power Nullification reworks), thetechmaster36
Disagree - Makai64100 (disagrees with somethings), Duedate8898 (disagrees with somethings), speedster352
Neutral - Arc7Kuroi (Neutral towards Resistance Negation), LIFE_OF_KING (Neutral towards High-Mid regeneration scaling for Vampires), ByAsura (Neutral on everything else)
Counting on with CRT spree with NNT, this thread is explicitly focusing on the physiology-based abilities which i either personally disagree with, wanted to revise or need further clarification on given the relative low-quality of the pages i'm dealing with.
With that, lets get this thread started.
Demon Physiology.
Abilities:
Resistance Negation -Neither scan present on the page actually proves Resistance Negation at all, the fairy king's forest being immune to normal flames =/= Hellblaze needing to have Resistance Negation to actually burn down the forest since
1. Purgatory Fire aren't “natural flames” at all, they’re explicitly unnatural flames which demons can use and create. So that statement wouldn't be applicable to them.
2. Purgatory Fire have heats which are vastly above any natural flame in existence, with it being able to burn and damage people who resisted the heat of lightning bolts while in mid-air like Gilthunder.
This is also applicable to the Izraf statement since he isn’t saying or implying that only Purgatory Fire can wound him because of it specifically negating his resistance in the way which would grant Resistance Negation, it’s more so he’s saying that Purgatory Fire has higher temperatures comparative to normal flames, with normal flames being unable to “wound” him but Purgatory Fire being able to “wound” him because of massively increased heat/potency.
Given this context about both feats, this should be removed from the page entirely since the feats used aren’t actual feats of Resistance Negation.
Doesn’t have a scan or a satisfactory explanation about the ability, if supporters can’t grab the scans needed for this ability or explain in-depth why it should remain on the page. It should be removed.
Scans have been provided.
Resistances:
Same reasoning as above, though while it does have a better explanation compared to the Self-Sustenance, it still doesn’t have any scans which concretely proves the resistance. If supporters can’t grab scans of these feats then the resistance should be removed from the page.
Scans have been provided.
Gravity Manipulation -
We explicitly don’t give people resistance to Gravity Manipulation unless we’re given extra context which proves the character isn’t resisting the ability through sheer lifting strength alone. Hendrickson doesn’t have a statement like this, which means unless supporters can grab scans which proves Hendrickson didn’t resist the gravity via sheer strength alone it should be removed from the page.
Existence Erasure -
Ark's shouldn't have EE as explained below, so demon's resistance towards it should also be removed.
Goddesses Physiology.
Abilities:
Inorganic Physiology (Type 1) -This should be changed into limited since it only happens while goddesses materialize into the physical world, and only last a couple seconds at most.
Deconstruction -
This should be changed into limited since it’s heavily implied by Monspeet the reason behind why Ark’s actually deconstruct demons is because it’s “a power that specifically counteracts our darkness”, which is something only demonic entities have in the series as stated also by Monspeet. So unless supporters can provide evidence of Ark’s deconstructing things which aren’t demonic in nature this should be specified to work only on demonic entities.
Power Nullification -
Same reasoning behind Deconstruction, if shown to only work against powers which are from demonic entities it should be specified to only work on demons.
Existence Erasure -
The scan which is used to argue this ability doesn't imply Existence Erasure at all, it only denotes the Ark's of higher-ranking angels not only destroy the physical body, but also the spiritual one alongside it. This would only be Soul Manipulation since "destroy" doesn't imply the soul being completely erased from existence at all. Unless supporters can provide extra context which points to the "destroy" statement being an EE statement rather than a Soul Manipulation statement this should be removed from the page.
Vampire Clan.
Abilities:
Regeneration (High-Mid) -Every vampire profile on the wiki seems to scale off of Orlondi’s statement which implies he can regenerate over an unspecified time after being reduced to an eyeball.
Now my problem with this is why are we assuming this would be applicable to every single vampire in the series if zero statements or even implications exist that it would scale? Just because they’re a part of the same race of creatures doesn’t mean they’d all intrinsically have the same level of regeneration without a proper statement or heavy implications.
If statements or heavy implications do exist of this being applicable to every single member of the vampire clan then I'm fine with this staying, but if there isn’t then this should be removed from every vampire profile that isn’t named Orlondi.
Doesn’t have any scans or satisfactory explanations on why it’s on their profiles, if supporters can’t grab scans or explain in-depth why it should stay on the profiles, it should be removed
Scans have been provided.
Conclusions.
Demon Clan.
- Resistance Negation needs to be removed outright.
Self-Sustenance (Type 2),Ice Manipulation, Existence Erasure and Gravity Manipulation need to be removed if scans or in-depth explanations aren't given.
Goddesses Clan.
- Inorganic Physiology (Type 1) needs to be changed into limited.
- Deconstruction, Existence Erasure and Power Nullification need to be also changed or removed if supporters can't provide scans of it working on anything that isn't demonic in nature.
Vampire Clan.
- Regeneration (High-Mid) needs to be removed from every profile that isn't named Orlondi if supporters can't provide scans of his regeneration being applicable to every other vampire in the series.
Self-Sustenance (Type 2) needs to be removed from the profiles if supporters can't provide scans of it existing.
Agree - Kachon123, Arc7Kuroi, LIFE_OF_KING, LordGinSama, DemonGodMitchAubin, Makai64100 (agrees with somethings), Duedate8898 (agrees with somethings), RandomGuy2345, Zaratthustra, ByAsura (Agrees with Vampire Regeneration Scaling and Decon/Power Nullification reworks), thetechmaster36
Disagree - Makai64100 (disagrees with somethings), Duedate8898 (disagrees with somethings), speedster352
Neutral - Arc7Kuroi (Neutral towards Resistance Negation), LIFE_OF_KING (Neutral towards High-Mid regeneration scaling for Vampires), ByAsura (Neutral on everything else)
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