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I think @Ultimate-Rex1 was working on that.
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Ninjago Discussion Thread
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(Outerversal Ninjago)
2:56= "Elements are the prime forces that make up the world: Fire, Ice, Earth and more"
2:56= "Elements are the prime forces that make up the world: Fire, Ice, Earth and more"
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Ninjago x Fortnite
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How does Wu creating a realm that contains a star scale to his physical stats btw? Was it done through magic? Since that is a UES
Forgive me I have not kept up with Ninjago ever since Skybound
Forgive me I have not kept up with Ninjago ever since Skybound
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It’s done via Elemental Essence which has UES yeah
Bro skipped on peak Oni trilogy
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Yeah I keep seeing clips for it and stuff lol
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Just watch it fr, I can assure you it’s worth the time
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I’d have to go through the other seasons I’ve missed too though
Also without the Wu 4-C feat where would the verse sit? I’m not asking this for any downgrade CRT btw I’m just curious lol
Also without the Wu 4-C feat where would the verse sit? I’m not asking this for any downgrade CRT btw I’m just curious lol
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Oni Trilogy is Seasons 8-10
Probably Continental as baseline and Planet level for those like Lloyd (Ice Emperor froze an entire planet and base Lloyd scales to him)
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Yeah you should watch the Oni Trilogy it's peak, most people consider it the peak of the show. (Although unfortunately you will need to watch season 7 which is imo the worst season in the show so don't think that it's indicative of the quality of the Oni Trilogy and the seasons after.)
I'm gonna yap a bit here but the Ice Emperor's feat is not that good. So when he does his "freezing" feat we see a blast of cold air that spreads across the planet but the landscape doesn't really change except for some large icicles that form next to the castle. Like if he actually froze the planet the village and the people living there would be frozen and covered in ice but they weren't affected by the blast so it can't really be planet freezing. The feat is more so him making the planet colder (cold enough that fire can't be started) and causing an eternal winter.
Also even if we assumed that he froze the oceans and the crust of the planet (assuming it's earth) it'd actually be a multi-continental feat not a planet level feat.
Thank you for reading my yap.
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Hi, I was looking through the Cosmology page and was wondering if there's other justification for individual Realm's being L1C than just the Nadakhan stuff bc that's contradicted by how the show usually shows time travel (like with Lloyd being removed from pictures in Wrong Place, Wrong Time)
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2D timeline doesn't mean that cause-and-effect doesn't work, what. It just shows that there is a different direction other than conventional "future" or "past".
Better counterargument would be, hypothetically, if Lloyd actually got erased in that episode, Ninjas tried to get him back through Time Vortex but Time Vortex wouldn't lead to that.
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2D timeline doesn't mean that changes and consequences from affecting the past aren't possible, and the S6 events are shown consistanly inside the Vortex
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I don't mean that the picture should be unchangeable because it's a picture, what I meant was that time travel is usually shown to change the future when gone to the past. I think it's more likely Nadakhan's appearances in the Time Vortex were animation errors, because iirc Hands of Time was rushed because of the movie being delayed and we all know that it's animation quality wasn't great. (insert Kai sliding to catch Wu here) as well as Willfilm changing vendors after it because they weren't satisfied with the quality of it.
As for Lloyd getting erased being erased Garmadon's wish is to go back in time so he can make it so the ninja were never formed. And Zane assumes that Garmadon is going back in time to prevent Lloyd becoming the Green Ninja. Lloyd disappearing from the pictures is imo meant to show his success, then him reappearing when the ninja change it so that Lloyd will join the ninja shows the ninja's success.
This is further supported by Lloyd not being able to feel his hands when Garmadon goes back in time, with nobody else feeling anything similar since the changes were made to prevent him from becoming the Green Ninja so he and Garmadon wouldn't have to fight.
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idk how to get the link for vsbw responses but could you check the clarification I sent to Orange Guy, if not I can copy paste it, I'm just not sure if copy pasting is allowed for stuff here since it could lead to spam and things
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Occassionally bad animation quality does not really correlate to pictures. They are not even needed to be animated, they are just copy-paste from old snapshots. Besides, this happens not once, not twice, but straight up three times on three different occassions, so I don't think we can dismiss it as simple animation error.
Yeah. This is basic cause-effect. As I said, 2D time does not mean that cause-effect doesn't exist.
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Ninjago: God Tier “downgrade” (kind of)
The Problem This is gonna be the most semantical thread ever, but this has been bothering me for a while. Something I noticed in the Ninjago profiles was how many profiles have “at least Low 1-C, likely far higher”. This confused me as there didn’t seem to be anything that warranted such...
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I know that it's consistently shown in the Time Vortex, I just feel that it goes against both how time travel is shown originally (Wrong Place, Wrong Time example I listed above) as well as even in this episode where when the past was changed Ninjago City became less developed and technology disappeared.
You make a good point with the copy pasting old snapshots as opposed to re animating it, however I still think because the production was rushed due to the delay in the movie that they were filling space as quickly as they could and somebody in the animation team was new or had forgotten the ending to season 6 and since it's such a small thing only appearing in the background I wouldn't expect it to be noticed on review, and if it was it would definitely not be the first thing to fix. (There being lots of errors in the animation that wasn't reused does also support that there wasn't much in the way of looking through the episodes to find problems to fix them so it makes sense something minor like this slipped through the cracks.)
I think one of us is misunderstanding the other here, I know that it's cause and effect. What I'm trying to say is that the cause and effect of Lloyd being removed shows that the past changing changes the future, it's also said in the episode as well as shown in season 7. So I think there being other timelines doesn't really make sense since we know reversing time doesn't splinter into a new one, rather overwriting the original.
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How would "rushed production" equate to "randomly inconsistant narrative plot point of the season 7"? Something shown consistanly isn't something un-intentionally done, and assuming the writer forgot about a season produced a few months prior makes no sense, heck he is even mentionned in a book taking place before S7 and then indirectly mentionned in S8. I don't believe the presence of every snapshot we saw can be dissmissed as Wu and the Twins litterally time travelled inside several of them. The intent was clearly intentional
If the original timeline was overwritten, then the presence of the snapshot would be impossible. And the difference with the Garmadon time travel and Nadakhan is that Garmadon's time shennanigans was a Time Paradox caused by the GWs while the Nadakhan thing was not
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Isn't the same "animation error" shown in Golden Hour which involves the time vortex, which was YEARS after S7?
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Cause and effect… is exactly about past changing future. Heck, even going by Nadakhan himself, he isn’t present in the future and is still in teapot, so no Low 1-C? Same applies to any verse with hypertimeline which is proven via time travel. It’s not about future being unaffected from past, since that’s stupid and violates what time is in the first place, it’s about having another direction other than “past” and “future” that one may access via time travel.
I think your issues arise from misunderstanding about how hypertimelines work.
Nah, I don’t think Time Vortex there shows anything since the scene is too focused on characters themselves close-up.
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I have a question regarding the hypertimeline since I noticed something and I wanted to know your thoughts. Shouldn't the 16 realms together be the Low 1-C structure rather than each realm be its own Low 1-C structure because the Cloud Kingdom is visible in the temporal vortex implying that the Iron Doom was traveling through a hypertimeline that encompasses all the realms?
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I don’t really see Cloud Kingdom on the fourth pic tbh, and also one could try to explain it by the fact that they are connected via Blind Man's Eye. Because Time Vortex should not really travel to other Realms lol.
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It looks like the Blind Men Eye scene so I don't think it counts (and Golden Hour makes it clear the Vortex encompass Ninjago)
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Nadakhan being there isn't a plot point though? It's a small thing where you have to look closely at the background to notice.
I'm not saying the writer had forgotten, I'm saying that it contradicts what happens with time travel on other occasions where we see it being changed. Also why would that be the writer, it would moreso be the animation team as it's only a background detail that is unlikely to have been mentioned in the script for the episode.
I don't see the problem with this, we know some characters are able to keep their memory even after timeline changes such as Scales remembering the Mega Weapon even after Wrong Place, Wrong Time. The Dark Island one is also from Jay and Nya who are shown even at the end of Skybound to remember it. We also see people keeping their memories of time changes in Lost in Time itself with the ninja in the present noticing that it has changed.
I'm not trying to deny every snapshot though? I'm saying the ones from Skybound just don't make sense with how we know time travel functions in verse.
Also they aren't really depicted as traveling into the snapshots because Krux and Acronix are confused as to how they ended up there. (Although I do agree with your intention of them traveling through time in this scene, we don't actually see them entering snapshots, we just see Wu's Reversal Energy moving them through time. Presumably with the aid of the other three time blades, they're not explicitly mentioned, but it's implied in season 7 they need all 4 to time travel like this.)
Yeah, that's why I personally think it's a mistake.
We know it's not exclusive to the Golden Weapons though? In season 7 itself we see the timeline being changed and it affecting the future.
Side note: Sorry for it taking a while to respond I was a bit busy irl
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The snapshots are relevant plot points because Wu and the Twins travels throught them, and the Twins wanted to ruin space-time to rule Ninjago. They litterally tried to ruin the timeline by attempting to modify the events of snapshots several times
If it was not mentionned in the script, then why did they add it 4x? Why would they also specifically focus on events from Ninjago, and not randomly add events from the other Realms?
S2 has never introduced us to the Time Vortex. I don't think we can use a Time Paradox instance of a single episode to prove how "time travel usually works"
Hence entering the points in time? The Reversal Energy alone isn't what transport them in the timestream, the Iron Doom itself that.
Not even the writer of the show supports this, and I feel like we are just entering headcanon territory here
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Would you mind linking me to an explanation of how they do work then so I can check because the closest I know of would be the FAQ about when temporal dimensions can be used which says:
Which is how Ninjago seems to function with us only being shown changes in the timeline when big events happen,
What I assume the current reasoning is for it qualifying is this:
Which I don't think works because I personally think the Nadakhan stuff is an error for the reasons I've given previously.
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The snapshots themselves are, what I mean is that I think Nadakhan's ones aren't shown to be entered or made any focus which is why I say his ones are not major plot points.
Also they aren't being shown to enter the snapshots here the time twins don't know how they got there for the first one where Kai is about to unlock his True Potential. I do think they are the snapshots but they aren't shown to be them.
In scripts they don't usually mention every detail of every frame to the people bringing the script to life what would be down is probably smth like "in the vortex you can see the ninja's previous adventures"
As for why focus on Ninjago because it's the Realm the show is set in a vast majority of the time so for narrative reasons it appears there.
Also one of the scenes that Wu and the time twins go to takes place inside of the Dijiverse, which while being inside of Ninjago is a seperate plane
It's not just season two though, even in season 7 we see that changing the past results in the present being changed because of it.
Yes they're entering the points in time, I'm mroeso pointing out they don't pass into the snapshots the way Kai and Nya do when they return to the present with the Reversal Blade.
Oh sorry, if the writers say this is wrong then I retract what I'm saying but idr an interview or anything where they claimed it's intentional, it's just I think it's a valid interpretation of what we're being shown but if they did say it was intended then you're right
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They figured out later that it was due to the Iron Doom, but earlier, they did travel to a specific point in time of Ninjago on their own, that one being the moment they got defeated
Its also implied that the writers do dictate the actions that happens in the script, and he also said during the production of S9 that he needed to review the animation. I doubt he'd miss stuff like this but I go more into details in the replies below
This one doesn't really contradict anything
Tommy states that he does indeed review the animation of episodes with this post, and explains that he also review the animation of 10-15 episodes before they are completed. S7 itself was already under planning at the time of the Dark Island Trilogy given the ending. Tommy also went as far as adding "Easter Eggs" in the background of S6's Djinnblade dimension. Given this information, its heavily suggested that Tommy does in fact check out/care for details
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I know, I'm referring to with Wu's Temporal Energy, we also see Wu know when to drop Kai and Nya based on what's happening in the snapshots. My main problem isn't that the snapshots are the points of time they represent, it's that idt Nadakhan's makes sense inverse.
I know the writers dictate a lot of what's in the script, Tommy himself shared a draft for he made for the original ending of HoT, however this doesn't change that not every detail is noted within these scripts and each of the snapshots in the background, especially the ones that aren't interacted with would most likely not be counted among those noted in the script.
I'm using it to support what I said about Wrong Place, Wrong Time since you said it's an instance of a single episode, but it's just how we're shown Time Travel in the series.
I don't doubt he does but we see earlier in Hands of Time a variety of other errors like Nya's missing hair, Jay missing half of his shoulder pads, even in the final episode we see the Master of Shadow go from holding two swords to both just vanishing.
This doesn't really mean much, the foreshadowing here is for episode one of the season and it isn't even conformation they've finished scripting just that they have an idea what the villains designs would be. Especially because we see both Time Twin's here but Wu was only anticipating Acronix not both.
I'm pretty sure we only see Griffin Turner, but yeah I remember this tweet, I just don't see how it corelates to the Nadakhan stuff when the Djinnblade stuff made sense from what we've seen with Nadakhan going after people one at a time, so it makes sense for him to take out the ninjas allies. Nadakhan showing up in the time vortex doesn't have the same context for it to make sense though.
I agree he cares about the details, I just don't think with Season 7's track record it's enough to justify the Nadakhan stuff being intended, especially with it getting stuff as recent as Day of the Departed wrong Lloyd saying there was a massive battle and implying the ninja were responsible for the damage when they weren't even there and when they later go to the museum there is no fight.
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I think Ninjago is just one big beautiful animation error, nuke the verse
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It makes no sense for Tommy to re-check the animation and magically miss a detail he has scripted for addition 4 times. The situation events of S2 vs those of S6 aren't even comparable to begin with
It litterally does not go against the Low 1-C arg
Those are nowhere near comparable aspects to the additions of snapshots
They could've easily finished the script and the show before the release? Do you think they release a season a few days after they are done with the animation?
Why? If the context is that they time travel, I see no reason why Nadakhan's consistant appearence is considered inconsistant now
Dareth litterally fought Kozu's force inside the museum so Lloyd was not lying. How is this a contradiction to time travel?
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What kind of "animation error" justify a narrative addition of a timeline which is related to the manipulation of the timeline, something the very episode in question is about? Even worse, the snapshots presented aren't random instances, but important events of S6. Somehow, Tommy cares about detail but magically did not pay attention to not 1, not 2, not 3 but 6 instances of those Nadakhan snapshots
The Time Vortex was never introduced in Season 2. Not only S7 can easily be a retcon to S2, and just because one version of a timeline is still present in Ninjago doesn't mean that the one from season 2 has to be
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Goku when I erase his baby-self from the past only to see him unaffected because he lives in a flipping hypertimeline which apparently ignores basic cause-effect:
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The Nadakhan stuff was in the background just like a majority of the images shown in the Time Vortex where a lot of the time you can't even see any images bc of the light infront of them. Also where is it you're getting that he's scripted the Nadakhan images? I've already said if he's confirmed it's not a mistake then I obviously retract what I'm saying but you haven't actually shown anyone who worked on the show state it was intentional.
As for S2 and S6 not being comparable why wouldn't they be? Garmadon's portal goes directly to the time he wanted to travel to but the Iron Doom goes through the Time Vortex but other than that they're both similar enough.
I know it doesn't, you just said that it was from a single episode which it isn't. The same thing is presented in S7
Why not? Nya and the master of Shadow's thing sure, they were in the background same as the snapshots but Jay was literally the focus of that cut.
I didn't say or imply that, I just said that it isn't confirmation they were done scripting
I didn't say consistency I said context, the only thing we see for the hypertimeline is Nadakhan's stuff, why don't we see stuff from Wrong Place, Wrong Time? Why don't they try to go to the future where they won the battle against the Elemental Masters despite Kai, Nya and Wu giving them the Reversal Blade back?
Nadakhan hunting the ninja down one by one was smth that happened and was even pointed out in the show that they needed to stick together in pairs.
Dareth did but why does Lloyd say they're all kind of responsible when the ninja weren't there for it. And I'm not saying it contradicts time travel I said I'm saying I don't trust season 7's track record for previous parts of the series when they're making mistakes talking about what was the most recent thing they'd made.
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I don't even get what you mean here, the episode isn't about going to different versions of the timeline. The episodes handling of time travel is similar to season 2 Kai repeating "change anything, change everything" which is what was repeatedly mentioned in S2.
Idk what you mean by "magically" it can easily be put down to human error when making out each of these shots isn't the easiest with the curving and brightness infront of the Iron Doom. Sure there is some that aren't difficult to see but it can still easily be said to be human error.
I agree that HoT can retcon season 2, it's just that they don't seem to be trying to work with different versions of time travel until you factor in Nadakhan.
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Best I can do is 11-C because of Dream Team (at least I think that's what the Dreams crossover thing was called) where Ninjago is revealed to be fiction smh
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Yes you can see them and take clear screenshot from them
I litterally sent several statements of him rewatching the show several times for the sake of making sure everything, including animation and rendered images were fine.
I feel like Orange already addressed those points before anyways, so I won't repeat what he said
Already answered later in this post
Why should we see the S2 stuff just because we saw the S6 stuff to begin with?
I fail to see what is this supposed to prove? The Twins only wanted to conquer the EMs from the past to affect the future throught it
No, it never happened in the current timeline. Everything after Clouse got the teapot was changed
Cole is directly responsible for this, and so are the Ninjas for forgetting he was at the museum and causing Cole to go confront Yang
The arguments are all based on maybes, but no solid proof from anyone in the animation or writing team implying the addition of those snapshots were un-intentional
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11-C (Is canonically piece of fiction), possibly at most 10-C with wаnk (Is a literal LEGO brick)
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The context of S2 is not the same as the one from S7, nor are Garmadon's goals comparable to the Twins goals
So they somehow struggule to pic 6 different scenes of 4 different episodes and add them on a bending timestream, while having no issues adding snapshots from the current timeline? There are limits to "human error", especially when those snapshot are presented on several different shots of the Time Vortex at seperate points in time of the episode (2 of them in two completely different scenes btw).
I don't recall Time Vortex in S2. Hypertimelines aren't mandatory to turn every "past alterations of the timestream" into additional time axis
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