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Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive discussion

I was asking if that was the "Reason" from Sigma 1 that you brought up. For Ryu to scale from Vigoor's feat. Because I was pretty sure that was where the scaling was based off of. Though you also mentioned an issue about that?
 
No, its from Ryu beating the Dark Dragon in Dragon Sword, who defeated the dragons that killed Vigoor. The issue is that Vigoor is still the Supreme Archfiend in Sigma II while Ryu isn't that much stronger than other Fiends
 
Actually I don't remember if what I said was fully accurate. I have a document for the feats I'm getting but I didn't get the scan of Vigoor being defeated in the lore so I might have misremembered
 
The 13 Dragons were able to Defeat Vigoor before much later one of the weakest ones turned evil, I believe this is the same Dragon Ryu Fights in 1

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Hypertornado099 said:
No, its from Ryu beating the Dark Dragon in Dragon Sword, who defeated the dragons that killed Vigoor. The issue is that Vigoor is still the Supreme Archfiend in Sigma II while Ryu isn't that much stronger than other Fiends
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That’s because he didn’t have the True Dragon Sword yet and even without it he defeated the Dragon and this was before he obtained the True Dragon Sword
 
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Do you guys have Discord so we can continue this discussion? I already have a server ready for posting Scans and preparing a Cosmology
 
Hypertornado099 said:
I don't think that's too relevant, barely proves anything
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These are the Same People that defeated the dark dragon who was one of the dragons that defeated Vigoor long ago and not to mention that in the Vigoor Lore is the same one you fight in Ninja Gaiden 1 Underworld
 
Violatas said:
Wait what? Can you provide a citation?

I've already went through Ninja Gaiden DS tho.
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Vigoor was mentioned in the Gurdu Book in Ninja Gaiden 2 and that’s the Same Vigoor you fight in Ninja Gaiden 1, he was also finna be Resurrected in the DS Version but failed and ended up being the Dragon.
Violatas said:
Wait what? Can you provide a citation?

I've already went through Ninja Gaiden DS tho.
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Well, the Dragon fought in Dragon Sword is the Dark Dragon, one of the dragons that fought against Vigoor. So sure there will be scaling
TurtleGod55 said:
Vigoor you fight in Ninja Gaiden 1, he was also finna be Resurrected in the DS Version but failed and ended up being the Dragon.
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Iirc the Vigoor emperor was actually a human? Its been a minute since I went through 1, but the NG wiki at least says this unless it's wrong.

Also, is there supposed to be an image posted there? Can't tell
 
Violatas said:
Well, the Dragon fought in Dragon Sword is the Dark Dragon, one of the dragons that fought against Vigoor. So sure there will be scaling

Iirc the Vigoor emperor was actually a human? Its been a minute since I went through 1, but the NG wiki at least says this unless it's wrong.

Also, is there supposed to be an image posted there? Can't tell
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No he wasn’t human and my bad lol I was doing something when I replied back
 
TurtleGod55 said:
No he wasn’t human and my bad lol I was doing something when I replied back
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Vigoor Emperor

"Enough of this, your insignificant life ends here." - Vigoor Emperor The Vigoor Emperor (神聖皇帝ヴィゴル Shinsei Kotei Vigoru ), also known as the Holy Vigoor Emperor, is the overarching antagonist of Ninja Gaiden, Ninja Gaiden Black, Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus as well in Ninja...
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The Holy Vigoor Emperor is the immortal figurehead of the Vigoor Empire, and the representation of the deity Vigoor. Though no one knows exactly how he came into being, he came to rule an Empire founded on the lands in where Vigoor had corrupted the Dark Dragon during the ancient era. He is a very powerful human with a high degree of fiendish genes in his blood, this allows him to transcend beyond physical boundaries and keep rule over powerful fiends.[2]

So is this wrong?
 
Violatas said:
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Vigoor Emperor

"Enough of this, your insignificant life ends here." - Vigoor Emperor The Vigoor Emperor (神聖皇帝ヴィゴル Shinsei Kotei Vigoru ), also known as the Holy Vigoor Emperor, is the overarching antagonist of Ninja Gaiden, Ninja Gaiden Black, Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus as well in Ninja...
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The Holy Vigoor Emperor is the immortal figurehead of the Vigoor Empire, and the representation of the deity Vigoor. Though no one knows exactly how he came into being, he came to rule an Empire founded on the lands in where Vigoor had corrupted the Dark Dragon during the ancient era. He is a very powerful human with a high degree of fiendish genes in his blood, this allows him to transcend beyond physical boundaries and keep rule over powerful fiends.[2]

So is this wrong?
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I don’t remember seeing this and as far as I remember. the Transcend Physical Boundaries came from Early chapters in NG 1 and it was referring to other Fiends but who knows, maybe this scales to him too I have to double check
 
Anyways lemme copy paste the scaling chain I wrote up before




Gurdu, the first deity, created the universe. He was eventually beaten by Vigoor, the deity of Hatred. Years later, the 13 Dragons are born, and defeat Vigoor. (More info on the conflict between the dragons in the vid since it's alot).
The Dark Dragon beats its 12 siblings.

Centuries later, Ryu fights the Drak Dragon, and wins

And another somewhat important one. Vazdah was born from from the mind and body of Vigoor

Ryu fights and defeats Vazdah



I'm iffy on the Vigoor emperor thing so I didn't include it here
 
Violatas said:
Anyways lemme copy paste the scaling chain I wrote up before




Gurdu, the first deity, created the universe. He was eventually beaten by Vigoor, the deity of Hatred. Years later, the 13 Dragons are born, and defeat Vigoor. (More info on the conflict between the dragons in the vid since it's alot).
The Dark Dragon beats its 12 siblings.

Centuries later, Ryu fights the Drak Dragon, and wins

And another somewhat important one. Vazdah was born from from the mind and body of Vigoor

Ryu fights and defeats Vazdah



I'm iffy on the Vigoor emperor thing so I didn't include it here
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NG 1 had one job… my mind is exploding inside
 
I'd wanna fact check the thing about Vigoor emperor to see if that really was the God Vigoor that beat Gurdu in lore, or really just a human that became a pseudo avatar.

Regardless Hayabusa would scale through the Dark Dragon and Vazdah
 
Violatas said:
I'd wanna fact check the thing about Vigoor emperor to see if that really was the God Vigoor that beat Gurdu in lore, or really just a human that became a pseudo avatar.

Regardless Hayabusa would scale through the Dark Dragon and Vazdah
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Yeah and after the Ninja Gaiden lore and scaling is solved is it possible that we can Tag Nioh and Dead or Alive next?
 
I remember in the third game, there's a boss that shoots lightning from the sky. Maybe you can calc Ryu's speed compared to the lightning
 
Emerald said:
I remember in the third game, there's a boss that shoots lightning from the sky. Maybe you can calc Ryu's speed compared to the lightning
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That's Alexei

And here's the calc we currently use for Ryu. Could prolly use a recalc tho

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