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New Ability: Marksmanship
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Ok. Can someone edit it?
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Why does it only apply to people with superhuman skill? People who are great for human standards should count as well
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Honestly I'd say so, machetes aren't throwing weapons so getting that kind of distance and still landing a lethal shot is pretty implausible, without even considering that it's on a moving target in the dark
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The only ones of those that are about range are the sniper kills, but those are with scope. What about no scope?
Like, I'm looking for limits on shooting energy projectiles or whatever.
And is Simo's record really applicable? Seems like number of people killed is more an opportunity issue. Like, hypersonic character with a gun can shoot 10k people point blank with no problem.
David's is more of a speed thing as well, I would say.
Tanin_iver
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About 1000 yards with a revolver, which is around 900 metres
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Googling around a bit, it looks like 1km appears to brush up against the upper limit of what people can do. Professionals can shoot torso-sized objects from about 900 meters.
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I'd say 1 km+ is superhuman or close enough
I mean, these people don't have superhuman speed statistics, nor could Simo fight recklessly like a hypersonic character would be able to. Being capable of killing hundreds of enemies in a war without holding a serious stat advantage compared to them, and being able to pull off western-style quick draws where you defeat multiple foes at once (without being inherently faster than them, just more trained at landing quick shots are all feats I've seen in fiction that could be compared to these.
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About this...
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It should just be Marksmen/Markswomen
Tanin_iver
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I think part of the equation is where you're intentionally aiming at as well. For example, an eye is generally harder to hit than either the head or the chest.
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I was about to mention Robocop yeah, but also.
- The Terminator, basically programmed to be composite humans; especially at managing arts of warfare.
- Jim Raynor via this
- Any version of Samus Aran should qualify
- Solid Snake also qualifies iirc
- Spike Spiegal is someone known for how precise he is with bullets
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There are countless factors in how many people you manage to kill besides how good your shooting is. Heck, for Simo himself it was not pure shooting skill, but also things like hiding skill, patience and the environment. A blanket kill count just seems unsuitable.
And while you can argue that quick draw is impressive, that's only a measure for characters with regular human stats then.
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If these should count, the Marksmanship page needs to be adjusted because it says you need superhuman skill
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definitely
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Absolutely
Tomfer
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That seems like a good draft text. Feel free to apply it.
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Okay. I suppose we can probably include absolute peak human marksmanship and upwards then.
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I think we need first to wait for @Armorchompy because he brought up the examples.
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Should we use more than one degree type of marksmanship? Meaning, peak human marksmanship (Type 1), and at least one level of superhuman marksmanship (Type 2 or higher), with some examples included?
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I'm personally against the usage of types here.
I think all my examples are good to use even if some of them won't be 100% applicable to all fiction, they still showcase the great ability that people IRL can reach
I think all my examples are good to use even if some of them won't be 100% applicable to all fiction, they still showcase the great ability that people IRL can reach
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Would that give marksmanship?
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Due to the distance between the two, yes. But the clip needs to start before 3:45 to show how far away the coin was
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What do the rest of our staff members here think about this?
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It seems like we now have an underused Superhuman Precision page created by Promestein, which covers all types of precision, not just marksmanship, so it is likely not necessary anymore.
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Please disregard my above post. I changed my mind.
Superhuman precisions CRT: Please actually add this dogwater ability to profiles already
So this is apparently an ability that has existed for a couple months. Despite it being around for almost two months, absolutely no character on the site actually has this ability listed on their profile. In fact, even its example users don't have it on their profiles. As such, this thread will...
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Yeah, not sure if the abilities are the same thing. Also, marksmanship is pretty much just supposed to be weapon mastery but specifically for ranged weapons. It's something historical figures such as Nasu no Yoichi in the form of bowman ship or Billy the Kid as far as gunslinger status. Though, some argued being exceptionally skilled at throwing rocks or having gunslinger like skills with Ki blasts could technically qualify. It's a skill proficiency like martial arts or weapon mastery and not so much a superpower.
