New Ability: Marksmanship

[M3X_2.0]

We currently added the Marksmanship ability to the wiki

Weapon Mastery

Weapon Mastery refers to the ability to use one or more types of close combat weaponry with greater skill than the average person. This classification can be used for any kind of this type of weapon, such as a sword, spear, or knife. However, the degree of one's skill with any particular weapon...

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Make sure to add it to the characters you know have the ability. We also need more examples for the page. Currently I thought of Legolas.

 

[Armorchompy]

List of my characters that I should add marksmanship to

• The Smith Syndicate - Really good with guns including a few snipers
• Sam Gideon - good with guns, can snipe
• Sumio Kodai - good with guns
• Mokutaro Shiroyabu - good with guns
• Shinko Kuroyanagi - good with guns
• Helter Skelter - good with guns
• Skelter Helter - good with guns
• Curtis Blackburn - good with guns
• AYAME Blackburn - good with guns
• Victor Zaitsev - good with gund
• V1 and V2 - very good with guns, can do revolver ocelot shit, probably a good example for the verse page
• The Handsome Men - good with guns
• Julia Kisugi - good wiht guns
• Akari Tsukiyono - good with guns
• Cultist (Blood) - good with guns
• Hawkman (Carter Hall) (Post-Flashpoint) - was a gunslinger in his past life which he inherits the memories of
• Deadman (Post-Flashpoint) - good with guns
• Tetsugoro Kusabi good with guns
• Amanda Ripley good with guns
• Silencer (DC Comics) (good wiht guns
• The Champion (AMID EVIL) good with magicweapons that shoot like guns
• Knight Elhanan good with arrow
• Akira (The Silver Case) giid wut guns
• Zan the Bonebreaker good withguns and also at throwing shit
• Axel Stone good at throwing shit really effectively across several meters even if it's not really meant to be
• Blaze Fielding same as axel
• Shinkai Tsuki good wiht suns
• Yotaro Osato good with guns
• Shadowman (Acclaim Comics) good wiht guns
• James Anderson yeehaw
• Karate Kid (Pre-Zero Hour) ( really good at throwing shit
• The Scale (sniper with harpoons iirc
• The Song good with energy crosbsows
• The Burst sniper
• Slugcat great at chucking spears, probably replaces weapon mastery because he doesn't really do anything else with them
• The Flame good with guns
• Ryoma Sakamoto (LIVE A LIVE) good with guns
• Domasi "Tommy" Tawodi good wiht guns
• O. Dio yeehaw
• Garrett (Original) good with bows
• Garrett (Reboot) good with bows
• Nephilem good with guns
• Alonso (ActRaiser) yeehaw
• Taia (ActRaiser) good with bows
• Dante (Viewtiful Joe) good with guns
• Commander Rimanah good with guns
• Epsilon-2 good at like shooting energy out of his hands?
• Shadow Man (Acclaim Entertainment) good with guns
• Peppermint good with guns
• Vanessa Z. Schneider good with with an iron man-style suit, probably the only person on this list that actually benefits from the existence of the ability
• Reshar good with bows
• ZAN (Rising Zan) yeehaw
• Dr. Peace yeehaw
• Million Gunman good witth guns
• Margaret Moonlight sniper
• Garcia Hotspur good with guns
• The Fighter (LET IT DIE) good with guns
• Caleb yeehaw
• Ishmael good with guns
• Ishmael (the other one) great value bullseye
• Gabriella good with guns
• Blade (Marvel Comics) good with like everything dude
• Obadiah Archer (Valiant Entertainment) good with actually everything
• The Protagonist (Titan Souls) good with a bow
• Crossbones (Marvel Comics) good with a lot of things
• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_(Ghosts_%27n_Goblins) good at throwingweapons
• Marina Liteyears good at throwing people
• Sundown yeehaw
• Mjolnir Recon number 54 good with guns
• Like everyone from Deus Ex - good with guns
• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Iji_Kataiser and people from the verse - good with guns
• Cuphead and his pal Mugman and some lady idk
• Guy from Cruelty Squad good with guns

So like, is it too late to fuse this with Weapon Mastery? Because the overlap with WM is literally like 99% here

 

[Propellus]

So like, is it too late to fuse this with Weapon Mastery? Because the overlap with WM is literally like 99% here

You ninja'd me there ;-;

 

[M3X_2.0]

So like, is it too late to fuse this with Weapon Mastery? Because the overlap with WM is literally like 99% here

Yeah

 

[Armorchompy]

but like, we should do it anyways, because this is a bit dumb

 

[M3X_2.0]

Nah, it’s fine.

 

[Propellus]

Yeah, when this is now around, what are we going to do about WM for these profiles? Now it kinda makes no sense for this to be on profiles now

 

[M3X_2.0]

Look man, it literally changes nothing. Both pages describes completely different things.

“What are we going to do about WM for these profiles?” Nothing because it remains there as something completely different.

Now, I would like if we could focus on this thread because we’re pasts this discussion.

 

[Chariot190]

Yeah, when this is now around, what are we going to do about WM for these profiles? Now it kinda makes no sense for this to be on profiles now

COMBAT EXPERTISE TIME????
Also, being very good with swords, staffs, whips and ten fucktillion other weapons still exists even if that was an actual issue.

 

[Propellus]

COMBAT EXPERTISE TIME????
Also, being very good with swords, staffs, whips and ten fucktillion other weapons still exists even if that was an actual issue.

Then don't even mention weapons that are in use of range in the page period then.

 

[Chariot190]

Why? Overlap can exist between abilities (Temp manip and fire manip, elemental manip and ice manip, etc). We could use Goku as an example of energy or explosion manip, even if it's also ki manip. Or Gene as an example of mind manip, even if it could also fall under social influencing.

Also just being able to hit good doesn't even touch upon most aspects of what goes into being good with even just a gun.

 

[Tomfer]

I'll add to later:

Moon Knight
Hunter's Moon
Ryo (Aragami)

Commander Rimanah good with guns

AYO DIVINE CYBERMANCY!?

 

[Armorchompy]

so fucking true

 

[Armorchompy]

Why? Overlap can exist between abilities (Temp manip and fire manip, elemental manip and ice manip, etc). We could use Goku as an example of energy or explosion manip, even if it's also ki manip. Or Gene as an example of mind manip, even if it could also fall under social influencing.

Yeah but the overlap between those abilities is like 2% this is 98% on Marksmanship's side

Also just being able to hit good doesn't even touch upon most aspects of what goes into being good with even just a gun.

Yeah but if you're able to hit good with a gun you still get Weapon Mastery

 

[Propellus]

Why? Overlap can exist between abilities (Temp manip and fire manip, elemental manip and ice manip, etc). We could use Goku as an example of energy or explosion manip, even if it's also ki manip. Or Gene as an example of mind manip, even if it could also fall under social influencing.

But those abilities you listed doesn't really overlap with each other. And that's only because Goku can control the effects of ki attacks.

Also just being able to hit good doesn't even touch upon most aspects of what goes into being good with events just a gun.

Being skilled with guns is literally most important for WM, and Marksmanship makes it pretty useless in that part.

 

[Chariot190]

But those abilities you listed doesn't really overlap with each other. And that's only because Goku can control the effects of ki attacks.

Elemental Manip and fire, ice, whatever manip is the whole reason why I'm fine with this to begin with, shit is basically the same thing.
And they do, what's the difference between chi manip and energy manip? Mostly semantics.

Being skilled with guns is literally most important for WM, and Marksmanship makes it pretty useless in that part.

Pretty sure we have more sword users than guns tbh. Not withstanding I'm a combat expertise advocator so like...

Yeah but if you're able to hit good with a gun you still get Weapon Mastery

that's because the wiki is run by non-americans who have never used the weapon of freedom in their life.

 

[Flashlight237]

Felix the Cat has Marksmanship for his razor-sharp accuracy with icicles, but at the time his profile was made, Marksmanship wasn't listed on the wiki.

 

[Propellus]

Elemental Manip and fire, ice, whatever manip is the whole reason why I'm fine with this to begin with, shit is basically the same thing.
And they do, what's the difference between chi manip and energy manip? Mostly semantics.

I mean, Temp manip actually makes sense because it's focusing on the change of temperature between heat and cold simultaneously.

that's because the wiki is run by non-americans who have never used the weapon of freedom in their life.

Do you even know how dangerous gun violence is in America these days?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Drop this discussion please. We had more than one month to discuss this.

 

[Armorchompy]

Elemental Manip and fire, ice, whatever manip is the whole reason why I'm fine with this to begin with, shit is basically the same thing.
And they do, what's the difference between chi manip and energy manip? Mostly semantics.

You usually don't list stuff like Energy Projection and Energy Manip (Or element manip + the elements) for the same feat tho, this is doing that

Pretty sure we have more sword users than guns tbh. Not withstanding I'm a combat expertise advocator so like...

Me too but that's getting rid of the other ones, not just adding something that's 99% the same time

 

[KLOL506]

Nominating Arthur Morgan and John Marston from RDR as candidates to have the ability on their page if their Dead Eye power is anything to go by.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Sakuya Izayoi is a good candidate due to hitting people between the eyes at over a hundred feet away, as well as this bullshit.

Also just like. youkai in general for rolling dice really good. not excited to do the edits for this one ngl

 

[Flashlight237]

Oh yeah, Yor Forger is a good one.

 

[M3X_2.0]

as well as this bullshit.

Mfs will look at this and say it’s weapons mastery smh

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I was originally thinking this is just a subpower of weapon mastery but specific to firearms, arrows, and throwing weapons, but it can also apply to Ki blast users; like Yusuke Urameshi firing his Spirit Gun and him being clever about aiming it to where it bounces off all the right mirror and then finally hit the target.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

We currently added the Marksmanship ability to the wiki

Weapon Mastery

Weapon Mastery refers to the ability to use one or more types of close combat weaponry with greater skill than the average person. This classification can be used for any kind of this type of weapon, such as a sword, spear, or knife. However, the degree of one's skill with any particular weapon...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Make sure to add it to the characters you know have the ability. We also need more examples for the page. Currently I thought of Legolas.

add "All Archer-class Servants" into the examples, the whole reason they are archers is because of their marksmanship during life, and that gets further augmented as a servant

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

wait are we allowed to add this to profiles without a CRT

 

[M3X_2.0]

wait are we allowed to add this to profiles without a CRT

It’s not a big deal and it’s easy to qualify. Most characters mentioned here do this as something completely random or its their main ability.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

It’s not a big deal and it’s easy to qualify. Most characters mentioned here do this as something completely random or its their main ability.

...Eh, I'll save it for later. Don't feel like doing a hundred edits if I'm gonna be remaking the pages anyways.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

I feel like...personally, for ability pages, we should really stick to characters who are most well-known for the ability in question.

Like, we shouldn't add characters with marksmanship. We should add characters who are well-known for being a marksman.

Someone like...Green Arrow from DC. Robocop from...Robocop. The Terminator(s). Famous characters who primarily fight using the ability in question.

 

[M3X_2.0]

We are not only using well known character as examples, we’re using them + others.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Real, t'was just my opinion.

Anyway, those are my suggestions. Green Arrow, Terminator, Robocop.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

all the nasuverse pages are locked so i cant edit them

 

[Testarossa002]

Apollo and Artemis from Riordan.

Both can target anything from anywhere in the world with Archery.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Roland Deschain from the Dark Tower comes to mind with his insane accuracy with guns and knives.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Hajime Nagumo, the profile make it already very clear but he basically have super accuracy with all his weapons (his guns, rifle, gatling, lasers, pile bunker, needle gun, chakrams, bolas, etc), and can retain said accuracy even while telekinetically manipulating hundreds of said weapons. I think that due to his great accuracy that he can use with a great range of weapons he could be a good user example in the page.

Vandree Schnee also have a really good accuracy with bows and throw weapons, even if he don't reach the level of Hajime.

And there are more Arifureta characters that would qualify but these two are the first ones that come to mind.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Oh yeah, Yor Forger is a good one.

You forget her hubby that focus in use firearm and that also have some crazy accuracy (likely higher that Yor based on his feats).

 

[Armorchompy]

Actually I think Revolver Ocelot is a perfect example for the page

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Is it just me or does the marksmanship page need a better example because Daredevil's feat sets the bar too high for qualifying as marksmanship. Not to mention that I think an animated example should be used that's more blatant and easier to understand. Like a GIF of a character tossing a projectile in a way that it passes through small gaps before reaching its target or intentionally ricocheting a bullet to hit someone or a specific target area.

 

[SamanPatou]

Did anyone say Erron Black?

Anyway, even though I'm sure it will be impossible to keep it as intended, we should try to give the ability to characters whose aim is truly outstanding, from the threshold of human capabilities to any superhuman degree.

Just being a good shot with guns, bows and thrown shit shouldn't be enough.
Right now I'm talking just about weapons, of course things change when taking into account anything else.