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Yeah,if you click the link it will lead to Instant Death discussion thread...
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NEP 2 Alovenus
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Please read it... First of all I Askes About NEP2 and HGR UEG. At first this case is same with Alovenus and eliizha don't have any problem if Nep after get Conceptual erasure. But later Ueg have supporter feats (True form UEG Its void itself)(Cmiiw)
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It seems like we will likely use this solution then.
@Elizhaa
Would you be willing to help us out here please?
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If she can act in such a state, I would be okay with NEP Type 2 and the others who scaled. Existing after being conceptually destroyed was always a way to prove that a character would have NEP Type 2 since the thread was accepted; Kriemhild Gretchen's case is the oldest example accepted in the original thread. I would say clarify NEP Type 2 is when the character is conceptually erased on the profile.
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The problem here is,Alovenus returned to reality from nonexistence instead of being nonexistence,thus she can not act in such state
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If this is the case, none should have the ability, in my view.
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Return from a state in which the fundamental concept of existence in this case the "HP" is 0 or destroyed is simply HGR, there is no proof that Alovenus existed in mere nonexistence since she simply returned from "nonexistence" by regeneration.
High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after the erasure of body, mind, and soul, along with at least one even more fundamental aspect of a character's existence, such as their place in the narrative, their entire history, or the underlying concept(s) or information needed for them to exist.
High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after the erasure of body, mind, and soul, along with at least one even more fundamental aspect of a character's existence, such as their place in the narrative, their entire history, or the underlying concept(s) or information needed for them to exist.
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yeah, this
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If i'm not wrong, she already has High-Godly in her profile so
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It is not up to me to decide what remains to be done, but it seems that Alovenus does not qualify for NEP2.
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It seems that no, since the only suggestion was NEP2, and about High-Godly, she already had it, so it seems that you can close this thread, and if anyone against, they can suggest to open the thread later.
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Reopening this cause i think Alovenus and also Ruphas do need type 5 immortality, as i said from the beginning, i don't really care for NEP, type 5 Immortality looks reasonable though.
Alovenus gave herself the setting that she can't be killed
Again stated she can't be killed by any means,
Based on the context here where this is said "
“…Eh? Ah? Im—Impossible…I’m currently…”
“Oh, your HP has been reduced to zero. You should know this already.”
Even when her HP had been reduced to zero or less, or when her HP statistic itself was erased, Alovenus still wouldn’t die. The battle would continue for as long as she wanted it to continue. She could stand up again as long as she wanted to do so."
Alovenus alludes to the fact that she is currently dead, and it then states that she won't die despite being dead already, and that the battle would continue as long as she wants to, and she can stand up again.
Added to what i already posted about her before goodhood, being able to kill herself but still exist and just come back whenever she wants to, this is something that is established that you can't kill Alovenus and she can basically just chill while being dead, and whenever she wants to just regenerate.
Alovenus gave herself the setting that she can't be killed
Again stated she can't be killed by any means,
Based on the context here where this is said "
“…Eh? Ah? Im—Impossible…I’m currently…”
“Oh, your HP has been reduced to zero. You should know this already.”
Even when her HP had been reduced to zero or less, or when her HP statistic itself was erased, Alovenus still wouldn’t die. The battle would continue for as long as she wanted it to continue. She could stand up again as long as she wanted to do so."
Alovenus alludes to the fact that she is currently dead, and it then states that she won't die despite being dead already, and that the battle would continue as long as she wants to, and she can stand up again.
Added to what i already posted about her before goodhood, being able to kill herself but still exist and just come back whenever she wants to, this is something that is established that you can't kill Alovenus and she can basically just chill while being dead, and whenever she wants to just regenerate.
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Sounds fine.
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Not at all, if we use chain scalling, alovenus still capable to being non existence at Nonexistent State
Like this, (This is Alovenus human form)
1.the sentence "or perhaps even before she was born, she understood that she was an existence that had been horribly displaced."
She understood Anything before she was Born, its proof if Alovenus exist at non existence state
2. Alovenus Try anything to destroy her body (not suicide) such as burning his body to ashes, or losing his body. He is still able to hold his consciousness (Human Form).
Afterthat. Alovenus ascend to become a goddes and that feats its able to be applied but in a higher scale i.e. Still exist even in a non existence state.
The sentence " Alovenus capable return calmly and brazely " its more supporting feats if the feats of Human-self able to be applied but in higher scale
So what? You know the limitation Of Nep2 right
If you mean Alovenus is automatic regeneration, i think its wrong because the based all this skill (including CM1, HGR,Etc) its based On His own Will. If alovenus don't have Will to regeneration, she Will be still at Non existence state
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This is not enough proof to guarantee NEP2 to a character, a good proof would be that Alovenus was pure Nothingness, that she would exist even when her whole concept and being is destroyed and simply exist as Nothingness.
This is only Immortality Type 5 and likely Low-Godly, as she was able to survive after her entire body was destroyed and only her Mind, Soul, Concept, Etc remains.
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All this about her being able to come back from non-existence is easily debunked with the reason that HGR means to regenerate from a point where your essential concept of existence no longer exists, practically non-existence, but that is only HGR not NEP2.
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I mean, ITS capable to scalling non existence state at Conceptual level at Goddes Level. What you see its only human form. The goddes key must have Higher scale than that. ( I already explain it)
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So what? See still maintain her Will after Got Conceptual erasure take a note, Will in here is not average will
If she didn't want to regenerate=Nep2
If she want to regenerate =HGR
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Hell no, only her body was erased, so much her consciousness, soul and concept remained.
This makes almost no sense at all, as I said, she never existed as Nothingness, there was only a moment where she did not exist because she was erased, only at that moment she was "nonexistent" but not NEP2.
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I will give an example... Nil, she is the very concept of Nothingness, she exists as nothingness, even she has no concept of the primordial thing in the universe which is the concept of "something"... And I also saw that you previously mentioned Graham, Graham's and his source (concept) was destroyed by Venuzdonoa, but Anos saw that something still existed even after he destroyed it, then Graham regenerated from a total nothingness and then he revealed that his true form was a void of pure nothingness that took place after his concept was destroyed by Anos, Graham and Nil themselves are true forms of Nothingness, which Alovenus does not qualify for.
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.... Im only make a chain scalling and that's feats its supporting alovenus capable Maintain her mind if she never existed. Okey if Human key don't get Nep2. But if you use Godddes key its different case (already explain it)
I don't really know, perhaps because they are Infinitely transcending every time.
Im the one who Made Nep2 Nil...and for Graham I already know, your example is from pure nothingness and Primordial void with more context...
And Elizha already explained it. This context is much like alovenus case.
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Elizha said that if she could act in such a state then she could qualify, but the point is that Alovenus could never act in a state of Nonexistence, she simply regenerated, by that logic, all characters that can regenerate from the destruction of their concept should have NEP2 since they did not exist when they regenerated.
Even less qualifies, since simply existing when your body is destroyed is only Immo 5 or Low Godly, it is a similar case to Maou Gakuin characters, they can think with their source, use magic, etc. even when their body, soul and mind were destroyed.
Elizha later said that if Alovenus could never act in a state of Nothingness, she clearly does not qualify for NEP2.
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Anyway, I won't bother to discuss this any further since it's so obvious that it doesn't qualify, I'll give my decision....
I'm fine with Immortality Type 5 for Ruphas and Alovenus, and hard disagree with NEP2 since it doesn't qualify at all.
I'm fine with Immortality Type 5 for Ruphas and Alovenus, and hard disagree with NEP2 since it doesn't qualify at all.
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I'm not saying she can't act in a state of Nothingness, what I'm saying is that she never acted in a state of Nothingness (She never acted, Ok then no proof.. She had to regenerate because she could not exist as nothingness), besides, you didn't explain anything, you just made an assumption why she regenerated instead of acting in a state of Nothingness.
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