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Natsu vs Meliodas
- Thread starter Raito_Utopia
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^This, And Natsu obliterated Zeref with a punch.
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And meliodas can resurrect himself.
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Which takes too long as far as I know.
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So he's above 1.2 x Baseline by a large margain. As i mentioned:
"The Dark Cocoon feat of Meliodas was done when he was only barely transformed, and a heavily suppressed Meliodas far surpassed that amount of power, which doesn't even hold a candle to his full power, which was seen when he easily beat Escanor, who was comparable to his suppressed state".
For reference, we said that even Demon Meliodas could quite likely be Large Island Level, since Demon form is more than a 2x multiplier with scaling, and Demon form couldn't break out of this at all.
Hellblaze also doesn't stop burning until the target is destroyed, unless put out by very rare and powerful magic, if Natsu can be damaged by it, he'd probably be eventually destroyed, but i don't know much about Natsu.
"The Dark Cocoon feat of Meliodas was done when he was only barely transformed, and a heavily suppressed Meliodas far surpassed that amount of power, which doesn't even hold a candle to his full power, which was seen when he easily beat Escanor, who was comparable to his suppressed state".
For reference, we said that even Demon Meliodas could quite likely be Large Island Level, since Demon form is more than a 2x multiplier with scaling, and Demon form couldn't break out of this at all.
Hellblaze also doesn't stop burning until the target is destroyed, unless put out by very rare and powerful magic, if Natsu can be damaged by it, he'd probably be eventually destroyed, but i don't know much about Natsu.
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Assuming this is Post TS DF Natsu, he should be=Base Zeref>>>August>Gildarts>Irene=PoF Erza who is 121 Gigatons. This doesn't count rage boost.
FDKM+Igneel power Natsu is even far higher.
Mel is baseline as far as I know.
FDKM+Igneel power Natsu is even far higher.
Mel is baseline as far as I know.
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Homu Sweet Homu said:
This is not true, Natsu is not immune to the flames, he even gets hurt with his own flames if he uses too much power, and since Full Counter doubles the power of the initial blow, Natsu would have several problems. Again, Meliodas just needs Soul Rip him
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No shit, mel is baseline just makes it worse. I would say Natsu can one shot him.ByAsura said:
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His justification is just said he is far superior than Ten Commandement who were just a bunch of 6-C. He is baseline.ByAsura said:
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No, his justification is that he broke the dark cocoon, which his Demon form couldn't do.
His Demon form couldn't break it, which should be near or at Large Island Level by scaling. And Meliodas did this while only a little bit transformed, while even a vastly suppressed form is higher, and his full power could effortlessly stomp someone his suppressed form was even with.
But Natsu is still stronger.
His Demon form couldn't break it, which should be near or at Large Island Level by scaling. And Meliodas did this while only a little bit transformed, while even a vastly suppressed form is higher, and his full power could effortlessly stomp someone his suppressed form was even with.
But Natsu is still stronger.
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Homu Sweet Homu said:
Natsu is scaling above a attack that's barley above baseline High 6-C
Mel can stomp baseline High 6-C characters
The two are comparable, Natsu just has a slight AP advantage, one he won't maintain for long as time limits being removed isn't allowed anymore.
So Natsu will turn back into a weaker form sooner or later meanwhile Mel doesn't have such a weakness.
And him vaporizing Zeref cant be applied here as he did that in a much stronger form.
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Natsu resists Franmalt Absorption which also can absorbs soul.Muuuuh said:
And Zeref also stated Natsu is also burning him own soul to beat him.
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@Knight Assuming this is Post TS DF Natsu, he should be=Base Zeref>>>August>Gildarts>Irene=PoF Erza who is 121 Gigatons. This doesn't count rage boost.
FDKM+Igneel power Natsu is even far higher.
Natsu isn't just above 121 gigatons. He is comparable to someone who is above someone who is above someone who is above someone who is comparable to someone who is 121 gigatons.
Still doesn't change he is still far inferior to Natsu.
Post TS DF Natsu timelimit isn't as short as every pulpne believe, it is enough to finish off Mel considering the big AP gap.
Assuming Mel is still alive.
Natsu vaporizing Zeref in his Post TS DF Form, what are you talking about?
FDKM+Igneel power Natsu is even far higher.
Natsu isn't just above 121 gigatons. He is comparable to someone who is above someone who is above someone who is above someone who is comparable to someone who is 121 gigatons.
Still doesn't change he is still far inferior to Natsu.
Post TS DF Natsu timelimit isn't as short as every pulpne believe, it is enough to finish off Mel considering the big AP gap.
Assuming Mel is still alive.
Natsu vaporizing Zeref in his Post TS DF Form, what are you talking about?
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@Homu natsu wasn't burning Zeref's soul. It was stated that he was burning his own soul.
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@Homu
So he's above baseline by an uncertain amount, while he's superior to those characters he can't one shot them making it a lot less impressive. That just means he's stronger than them, and as I said before Mel can stomp baseline High 6-C characters so they'll be comparable in AP and durability. However Natsu takes the edge there but Mel makes up for this with his far superior skill, experience and the fact that unlike Natsu he'll also be High 6-C in this fight.
Natsu doesn't have a big AP advantage here, he isn't even High 6-C+,in other words he isn't beating Mel in that time frame.
So he's above baseline by an uncertain amount, while he's superior to those characters he can't one shot them making it a lot less impressive. That just means he's stronger than them, and as I said before Mel can stomp baseline High 6-C characters so they'll be comparable in AP and durability. However Natsu takes the edge there but Mel makes up for this with his far superior skill, experience and the fact that unlike Natsu he'll also be High 6-C in this fight.
Natsu doesn't have a big AP advantage here, he isn't even High 6-C+,in other words he isn't beating Mel in that time frame.
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??? That is....actually what I said.Theglassman12 said:
@Muuuuh Doesn't matter, Natsu resists absorption which is also could be count as rip.
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He's never ever used it, even in situations where he easily could have. Meliodas isn't some normal Demon, he shunted the entire race.Muuuuh said:
That's assuming he has to train to get the resistance. Also, a Red Demon and Gray Demon in character absorbs souls, yet it hasn't done this to basically all the opponents it could do that to. Melascula could take out virtually anyone's soul because she is supremely adept at magic, and could use spells to make it easier.
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@Knight When you have that kind of justification, it should be obvious that you have a much bigger advantage.
Mel stomping a High 6-C?
Zeref will stomps August who can stomps PoF Erza who is 121 gigatons. And this Natsu is comparable to Zeref.
Mel stomping a High 6-C?
Zeref will stomps August who can stomps PoF Erza who is 121 gigatons. And this Natsu is comparable to Zeref.
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Do you have actual scans of this happening? No, Zeref is just stated to be stronger than them.
Again even then you act like Natsu is 5x stronger than Mel which he isn't. 3rd time now, Natsu isn't even High 6-C+.
Again even then you act like Natsu is 5x stronger than Mel which he isn't. 3rd time now, Natsu isn't even High 6-C+.
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ByAsura said:
Just because he did not do it does not mean he can not do it, it's a skill of his race. I'm not assuming anyone should train, but if no one in verse has resistance to rip soul, saying that he can resist is NFL, since this is a Hax that ignores durability. Also, Meliodas did not like killing or using demonic skills before and we need to see him going serious in Assault Mode yet.
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@Knight (Sigh) Zeref is both stronger than Irene and August, implying that both of them cannot beat him even if they combined their forces.
Also, There is no definite number on how much multiplication requires in order to One shot? It could be four, it could be three, hell even twice as powerful can one shot too, depending on the tier.
Natsu justification is enough, considering he should be far superior to 121 gigatons while Mel is just far superior to baseline.
Also, There is no definite number on how much multiplication requires in order to One shot? It could be four, it could be three, hell even twice as powerful can one shot too, depending on the tier.
Natsu justification is enough, considering he should be far superior to 121 gigatons while Mel is just far superior to baseline.
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Natsu's [supposed]slight AP advantage doesn't mean jack because his DF won't last forever while Assault Mode Mel has no such issues. And that's before he absorbed 25% of the Demon King's power. Tbh once we find out actual stats for the DK this probably shouldn't even be a match considering DK is so powerful he can't remain in the mortal world.
Regardless, Meliodas has demonstrated time and again the ability to tank long sequences of attacks at and above his own level, plus he has regen and all seven of his hearts need to be destroyed for him to permanently go down. His Full Counter renders Natsu's ranged attacks useless, he can turn Natsu's physical attacks into fodder for Revenge Counter over time, all the while Natsu will lose time for his DF. In addition Meliodas can make several clones that have a significant fraction of his power without weakening himself. Natsu gets wrecked in this matchup.
Regardless, Meliodas has demonstrated time and again the ability to tank long sequences of attacks at and above his own level, plus he has regen and all seven of his hearts need to be destroyed for him to permanently go down. His Full Counter renders Natsu's ranged attacks useless, he can turn Natsu's physical attacks into fodder for Revenge Counter over time, all the while Natsu will lose time for his DF. In addition Meliodas can make several clones that have a significant fraction of his power without weakening himself. Natsu gets wrecked in this matchup.
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Oh yeah, i forgot about him absorbing those 5 commandments. This should be added to Mel's profile.
It's actually 50%.
It's actually 50%.
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>Ignoring the big AP advantage in Natsu favor.Malikobama1 said:
>Ignoring that time limit will not matter when Mel is gonna get obliterated after Natsu is done with him.
>Ignoring that Seven hearts will not do jack when there is nothing left that remains from Mel after Natsu is done with him.
>Ignoring that reflecting his own attack will do little to Natsu when he is resistant to his own attack.
>Ignoring that Rage power isn't a thing.
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Homu Sweet Homu said:
What are you talking about? There is a definite number on what it takes to one shot. That number here is 5 and it's been like that forever.
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> Linking me to a thread that hasn't even been concluded yet
Lol sure but my point still stands, you need to be a hell of a lot stronger than your opponent to one shot. That's pretty ridiculous to say there isn't a definitive number to one shot, that's like me saying if a character who can dish out a 1 Teraton attack can't one shot a baseline High 6-C.
Lol sure but my point still stands, you need to be a hell of a lot stronger than your opponent to one shot. That's pretty ridiculous to say there isn't a definitive number to one shot, that's like me saying if a character who can dish out a 1 Teraton attack can't one shot a baseline High 6-C.
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@Homu
Lmao that entire comment is nonsense. In no world is Natsu able to do anything even close to what you said to current Meliodas. Assault Mel was already above baseline High 6-C upon entering AM, then he got 25% of the DK's power, which is so vast that AM is basically nothing compared to it. And it seems you missed the point about FC completely. It ensures none of Natsu's ranged attacks can actually touch Mel, who cares if they hurt Natsu or not.
Lmao that entire comment is nonsense. In no world is Natsu able to do anything even close to what you said to current Meliodas. Assault Mel was already above baseline High 6-C upon entering AM, then he got 25% of the DK's power, which is so vast that AM is basically nothing compared to it. And it seems you missed the point about FC completely. It ensures none of Natsu's ranged attacks can actually touch Mel, who cares if they hurt Natsu or not.
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Then how do you know it is 5x?
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Homu Sweet Homu said:
Since multiple staff members have said it on multiple threads, especially on the old One Piece vs FT threads that were deemed stomps due to the AP difference ( 122 vs 690+ Gigatons.)
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Can you link me the thread?
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There was waaayy to many of those for me to get right now. I'll try to find one of the most recent ones.
