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natsu vs Goku
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What i am saying if that a stage gives a character to much of a adavantage, it will be prohibited, i didnt say you couldnt choose the stage
GodlyCharmander
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Where is that stated? I'd like to know the wording.
This isn't giving Goku any advantage, lmao, it's only preventing this to be a stomp match. It's not like Natsu depends on his aura to beat Goku.
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Goku throws a ki blast and makes natsu explode
GodlyCharmander
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Natsu eat those for breakfast, and can just burn his Ki with fire.
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Natsu can't eat energy. Also how can you burn energy with fire?
GodlyCharmander
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Eating as in "tank", not in the gastronomical sense.
He can burn energy with fire the same way he burned time with fire.
Also, Dragon Force makes him 1.8x stronger than Goku, and 4x faster than him, which is insane now that Mitch corrected his AP. I don't see Goku's wincon anymore, so I will be changing my vote and deeming this as a stomp.
GodlyCharmander
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This is a stomp match.
Goku's wincons:
Raditz Saga Goku cannot achieve victory in any scenario, no matter how unlikely it is.
Goku's wincons:
- Higher AP
- Skill advantage
- Speed, and AP 4x multiplier which basically negates both Goku's wincons
- 200m degree fire
- Burning nonphysical things with fire
- FTE enhanced senses.
Raditz Saga Goku cannot achieve victory in any scenario, no matter how unlikely it is.
GodlyCharmander
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Didn't see the edit.
So, in Pre-Elentear Dragon Force Natsu is 5.52 Yottatons?
Okay,
Okay, updated the wincons for everyone. Goku has a 2.2x advantage now.
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bump
GodlyCharmander
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This can be deemed as inconclusive since both sides have arguments, and comparable votes.
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Natsu FRA
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Natsu fra
GodlyCharmander
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Goku: 8
Natsu: 10
Natsu needs 1 more vote.
Goku needs 5 more votes.
Natsu: 10
Natsu needs 1 more vote.
Goku needs 5 more votes.
speedster352
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Goku fra
TheForgottenKing
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I guess Natsu FRA
GodlyCharmander
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Goku: 9
Natsu: 11
Natsu needs 1 more vote.
Goku needs 5 more votes.
Guys... Make your flipping minds.
Natsu: 11
Natsu needs 1 more vote.
Goku needs 5 more votes.
Guys... Make your flipping minds.
speedster352
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In the future use a character that can resist heat if you want to make any more Natsu vs matches
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé
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That doesn't change anything since it still depends on what level of heat resistance does the character resist plus he's not the on who made the thread
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What changed in the arguments for it to go to inconclusive?
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé
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Nothing really the thread just died and it was tied vote? And then charmander said that since both have comparable arguments and votes it could be deemed inconclusive
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Natsu FRA
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Natsu FRA
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Goku was winning, I'm asking what changed. Goku still has the advantage even if natsu is in dragon force. And all natsu has is fire which goku has counters to. Or maybe I'm not following.
speedster352
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Yeah solar flare and Destructo disc is a gg
speedster352
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Sprit bomb is also a gg since Natsu is a devil(literally)
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Raditz saga Goku can neither use the destructo disk nor the spirit bomb.
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I assume Natsu wouldn’t let Goku charge a Spirit Bomb anyway
speedster352
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Never mind then
GodlyCharmander
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The advantage was reduced from 4.9x to 2.2x thanks to a correction, and his heat IS 200m degrees with fire attacks, thus, people think it's more likely for Natsu to win than not.
We, however, think Goku can deal with ranged attacks and can win with his AP advantage.
Both are valid interpretations, thus, with an even amount of votes, the rules states that the match could be deemed as inconclusive.
However, Natsu hit grace.
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Correct, it is indeed a non factor. As it is in literally every single vs match ever created featuring Goku.
I agree. Well, even if it doesn't matter, I will vote inconclusive.
GodlyCharmander
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It wouldn't need voting on inconclusive, that's just the default resolution of a reasonable stalemate.
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