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Source: Voices in my head?First and foremost destroying the Earth in Nasu is not a 5-B feat, its a 2-A (or 2-B, whatever shit you think) feat.
This isnt fully correct, we know that that Altjuna says that the Energy of a Fantasy Tree (Which Holmes states are comparable to Goetia) is comparable to the First God he ate, who is often assumed to be Krishna (Not a top tier Hindu God), although he does go on to say that a Fantasy Tree is > to the First God he ate he still believed they where close enough to compare them.Yeah, but we don't know literally anything about the Hindu Gods.
The most we can go off on is Arjuna Alter, and he is a mingle of each and every one of them at the same time.
The best I can see VS getting is "Possibly (whatever tier the top gods are)" by assuming that it can kill any God, no matter how strong. But even that is dubious because the strongest thing it is shown killing is Sefar, who was not 2-A at the time. And just assuming that "can kill Gods" applies to every God, no matter how much more powerful they are than other Gods, is difficult when we have practically no feats to back it up.
So, as always, the default is the best feat we see- Sefar getting murdered.
Even the 2-A assumes AAS, which isn't Goetia itself.So if we where follow this logic then its “Goetia > Krishna” which means while the mid tier Hindu God lower on the scaling chain than Goetia it would still be 2-A.
Also while shes may not technically be a Type there is Arcueid who is the Archetype Earth and iirc one of the strongest Nasuverse characters so theres that, also isnt it the Counter Force that summons the Grand Servants (And supports them) who fight Beasts and iirc is it not the Counter Force that prunes Timelines?The things limited to Earth, the shitty planet which couldn't produce an Aristoteles?
Yeah...
Again - absolutely 0 feats to back that up.
It's just pure wank.
AAS is 2-A when its Beast Goetia tho... also where is this thing about AAS from?Even the 2-A assumes AAS, which isn't Goetia itself.
We assume its Krishna because he used Krishna’s Authority to absorb the rest of the Hindu Pantheon.This is a leap in logic, actually. The moment he says "no, it's even greater still" with no context, it could be greater by a small amount or an infinite amount. We just know it's greater, but not by how much. All I get from him making the comparison is that he is feeling a great surge of strength like he when ate his first God.
Not to mention the fact of assuming "it must be Krishna" with absolutely no reasoning.
Let's not derail into stuff about how strong Earth is, please.
Ars Almadel Salomonis, Goetia using the entirety of human history as fuel, through a 3000 year planAAS is 2-A when its Beast Goetia tho... also where is this thing about AAS from?
That kind of contradicts that Krishna is ''mid tier'' if his Authority could absorb an entire PantheonWe assume its Krishna because he used Krishna’s Authority to absorb the rest of the Hindu Pantheon.
I know what AAS is im asking why you are using that when Holmes said Goetia not AAS?Ars Almadel Salomonis, Goetia using the entirety of human history as fuel, through a 3000 year plan
Which is obviously an externality, and therefore, not Goetia's power
That kind of contradicts that Krishna is ''mid tier''
Actually I will admit I was wrong on that part, Krishna is comparable to Vishnu which means he is an upper tier.That kind of contradicts that Krishna is ''mid tier'' if his Authority could absorb an entire Pantheon
Actually no, being a Beast make him 2-A.Because the only thing Goetia can do that is anywhere close to 2-A is AAS (which is still wrong, but yeah)
I try, but 2-A keeps coming hahaLet's keep it to VS and not stray off unnecessarily.
Even Possibly requires proof, and we know 3rd stage (it was the third stage they fought, right? don't remember it by heart) Extra Sefar is not comparable to True SefarAt best, it would warrant a "Possibly".
Hmm, I guess for now I can accept a possibly rating for it.Let's keep it to VS and not stray off unnecessarily.
The point remains though. By pure feats, all that Vasavi has killed is a Sefar that is not 2-A. Everything beyond that is in the realm of speculation with no solid ground to support it on.
At best, it would warrant a "Possibly".
For that well she have this power only with this skill so no change the thing to being matched by servant habitualy (she still servant lvl even after obtain her XEX skill and os a thing that is galaxie sized)MHX was just as strong as a regular servant. If she has the power to destroy stars, but is matched by Servants, Servants would have the same power... (And she's a joke character, in a joke event, made in referencce to Star Wars...)
EXTRA is a video-game of a video-game, me deleting my Minecraft world doesn't make me 5-C
And Moon Cell couldn't handle infinity in 4D, so 2-A would be a lie
The topic with the infinity 4d image has been deleted in the move it seemsFor that well she have this power only with this skill so no change the thing to being matched by servant habitualy (she still servant lvl even after obtain her XEX skill and os a thing that is galaxie sized)
But well for the moon cell couldn't handle infinity in 4D, have you the quote of that ? I don't remember seing it (except if it's from extra CCC i don't have entirely read it so wouldn't know)
TyThe topic with the infinity 4d image has been deleted in the move it seems
Will see if I can find it elsewhere
Not an NP, it's a passive skill that references the sword (''armament'') itself.A normal servant could have a Star level NP and still fight other servants as they would physically still be Low 7-B and not every attack is Star level.
(This is assuming its an NP or something similar)
I mean, if the majority really thinks that even Possibly is a no no, I don't mind dropping it.Even Possibly requires proof, and we know 3rd stage (it was the third stage they fought, right? don't remember it by heart) Extra Sefar is not comparable to True Sefar
Ah... ok then that is definitely its own thing.Not an NP, it's a passive skill that references the sword itself.
In lb4 we need to weakened lb king arjuna alter to allow super karna to fight him no? But yeah for remove the 2-ASo, again, both VS and K&K are for sure not 2-A now, with a caveat for possibly on VS unless the majority still considers the lack of proof sufficient to discard even that
I agree with removing the 2-A Dura from K&K since its most definitely “far higher” based off how the thing works.So, again, both VS and K&K are for sure not 2-A now, with a caveat for possibly on VS unless the majority still considers the lack of proof sufficient to discard even that.
There's Arthur Proto Excalibur (in the short video of Prototype, which I believe had 7/13 seals released) and Ramesseum Tentyris, which are the highest calcs for NPs as far as I know, that could be used as base to scale. (Unless the calcs are outdated)Like, I would scale it above the Gugalanna calc. If the thing can kill Divine Beasts, as the description in the novel notes, being at least comparable to Gugalanna's stomping sounds sensible.