Nasuverse - High 1-B Cosmology

[Overlord_Darkness]

For the argument about High 1-B see here.
I was asked to create a CRT to discuss the presence of the High 1-B structure in the Universe because of the 'six doors'

So, according to this, 'six doors' reaches across all of time and space. They are also considered to be the Universe itself and they should also reach spatiotemporal structure of High 1-B making it in-universe structure.

Also, since other thread is closed, I'll ping you here @LephyrTheRevanchist

 

[Hasty12345]

So the typical 3 spatial dimensions usually referred to as “up down, left right and back forth” represent all possible dimensions, and you’re saying that somehow includes this high 1-B cosmology?

I have to disagree, I’d even argue these 6 doors contradict the the existence of any higher spatial dimensions in the verse.

there’s also the matter there’s 6 doors which even if they did represent “all possible dimensions”, you’d have a hard time justifying more than 6 especially given, as I said, referring to the typical 3 spatial dimensions.

 

[Akashachann]

So the typical 3 spatial dimensions usually referred to as “up down, left right and back forth” represent all possible dimensions, and you’re saying that somehow includes this high 1-B cosmology?

The six doors... up, down, left, right, front and back... represents all possible... dimensions.

If all you understand from this is 3 spatial dimensions, I can't find anything to say

 

[Excaliburhuman]

I think you linked to the wrong thread, it goes to the NEP removal thread for abigail for me. I think this is the thread you are talking about.

 

[Tdjwo]

So the typical 3 spatial dimensions usually referred to as “up down, left right and back forth” represent all possible dimensions, and you’re saying that somehow includes this high 1-B cosmology?

I have to disagree, I’d even argue these 6 doors contradict the the existence of any higher spatial dimensions in the verse.

there’s also the matter there’s 6 doors which even if they did represent “all possible dimensions”, you’d have a hard time justifying more than 6 especially given, as I said, referring to the typical 3 spatial dimensions.

Can you explain where you got 3 spatial dimensions from? The six doors represents all possible dimensions( or spaces) in the verse which we currently accept as High 1B based on the Roa statement. All we have to do now is prove where exactly the in the verse the High 1B caps at. In the Universe or outside?
The six doors represents all possible dimensions. That is, the six doors is the universe itself.

The Ultimate Gate is tied to all time and space of the universe

and also exists beyond it.

That means whatever High 1B statement Roa made applies to the six doors which represents the universe/space time). In order words, the Universe aka Six doors is High 1B.

 

[Hasty12345]

If all you understand from this is 3 spatial dimensions, I can't find anything to say

This just sounds like it’s incompatible with the CCC stuff, what proves they’re canon to one another btw?

 

[Hasty12345]

Can you explain where you got 3 spatial dimensions from? The six doors represents all possible dimensions( or spaces) in the verse which we currently accept as High 1B based on the Roa statement.

The Ultimate Gate is tied to all time and space of the universe

and also exists beyond it.

That means whatever High 1B statement Roa made applies to the six doors which represents the universe/space time). In order words, the Universe aka Six doors is High 1B.

If you read my post you’d see in the first line where I got 3D from.

aside from that, what proves these possible dimensions are higher infinites and not parallel dimensions?

 

[SweetDao]

If I may say my opinion, I really think you should put the High 1-B OP in that thread rather than linking it. Maybe even with the arguments on the "why" and "how" of it.

 

[Ped2018]

Also, since other thread is closed, I'll ping you here @LephyrTheRevanchist

Non-staff can't ping other users

 

[KingNanaya]

Also, since other thread is closed, I'll ping you here @LephyrTheRevanchist

can't ping staff lil bro

 

[Tdjwo]

If you read my post you’d see in the first line where I got 3D from.

I don't see where you got 3D from considering the fact that the universe in the Nasuverse isn't 3D to begin with.

aside from that, what proves these possible dimensions are higher infinites and not parallel dimensions?

Because of Roa's statement. Please don't act like you weren't in the other thread that addressed the High 1B Roa statement.

 

[Ped2018]

can't ping staff lil bro

U can't ping no user, being them staff or not.

 

[KingNanaya]

U can't ping no user, being them staff or not.

I didn't ping him lol

 

[Tdjwo]

Please let's not clog the thread this time around with all these pinging stuff.

 

[Ped2018]

I didn't ping him lol

Ik, just didn't want the guy to get the impression that he could ping other users that aren't staff

 

[Hasty12345]

I don't see where you got 3D from considering the fact that the universe in the Nasuverse isn't 3D to begin with.

I consider this to be a contradiction to those supposed higher dimensions

 

[Tdjwo]

I consider this to be a contradiction to those supposed higher dimensions

How exactly is this a contradiction? The Nasuverse has never been 3D. The Mooncell is 8D, Avalon is 6D. Hell, a standard universe model is 4D lol. Where are you getting 3D from?

 

[Hasty12345]

How exactly is this a contradiction? The Nasuverse has never been 3D. The Mooncell is 8D, Avalon is 6D. Hell, a standard universe model is 4D lol. Where are you getting 3D from?

the scans that literally define 3D space that you're claiming mean high 1-B...

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

can't ping staff lil bro

He/She asked me to link this CRT to old CRT but since it was closed I pinged Lephyr

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

the scans that literally define 3D space that you're claiming mean high 1-B...

This argument was debunked in the old CRT about Outer Gods by CrimsonStarFallen

 

[Hasty12345]

This argument was debunked in the old CRT about Outer Gods by CrimsonStarFallen

I don't accept his debunk

I didn't see it

 

[Executor_N0]

So the typical 3 spatial dimensions usually referred to as “up down, left right and back forth” represent all possible dimensions, and you’re saying that somehow includes this high 1-B cosmology?

I have to disagree, I’d even argue these 6 doors contradict the the existence of any higher spatial dimensions in the verse.

there’s also the matter there’s 6 doors which even if they did represent “all possible dimensions”, you’d have a hard time justifying more than 6 especially given, as I said, referring to the typical 3 spatial dimensions.

Taking into reference similar wording, similar stuff alongside the cardinal directions is sometimes generalized as meaning "all of space" even when including places where there are higher dimensions.

The most clear example is Pokémon whose entire foundation of the 4th gen is exactly in the meaning of the word "Uchu" and "Sekai" using space as "up down, left right and back forth", and even in that case space is proven to have at least one more direction as parallel spaces are a thing that are encompassed by it.

Another similar example is the Four Holy Beasts in Digimon whose entire function is to set up the structure of all of time and space using the 4 cardinal directions as the basis for everything, but even in that context there are higher dimensions beyond just those, and yet when it's talking about space in an abstract sense, they often just call "up and down", "north, east, west, south".

In some cases, "north, east, west, south" are just a generalized way of saying "the general concept of directions", the same with "up, down, left, right, back and forth".

I'm almost perfectly sure that Nasuverse has clear examples of higher dimensions, so it mentioning the traditional spatial directions as "all dimensions" can be thought as just a general way of doing so.

Another similar example is that of 8, 80, 800, 8000, in Japanese like the 8 million gods, all have the traditional meaning of in fact referring to the "greatest number" "infinite", and "beyond count". So depending on the context, what seems to be limiting in fact just a way of generically calling an entire concept, instead of that specific version of the concept. It'll all depend on context in the series of course.

 

[Hasty12345]

It's not claiming 3D. It litteraly says "ALL POSSIBLE DIMENSIONS" And to prove that it means spatial D, it gives the example of "front, back..." and that's it. Not just to say 3D.

People really have a reading and comprehension problems

yikes, imagine being so confidently wrong

 

[Tdjwo]

I don't accept his debunk

Cry about it.
its ccurrently accepted

 

[Hasty12345]

Cry about it.
its ccurrently accepted

this is the perfect place to unaccept it

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

this is the perfect place to unaccept it

I must remind to you that main topic of CRT is High 1-B cosmology and its place within Nasuverse. Pls stay on it.

 

[Tdjwo]

this is the perfect place to unaccept it

That's derailing. If you want to debunk it, make a seperate crt for thay. Stay on topic now.

 

[Hasty12345]

That's derailing. If you want to debunk it, make a seperate crt for thay. Stay on topic now.

I'll be damned, debunking the scans in the OP and what they're being claimed to mean is derailing

 

[Georredannea15]

My thoughts are the same as the previous revision for now.

 

[Tdjwo]

I'll be damned, debunking the scans in the OP and what they're being claimed to mean is derailing

You are not debunking. All you are doing is stonewalling a subtopic that has been accepted on a previous thread. The six door being "3D" to you is not backed up by anything and currently, it's accepted as an higher D so if you want to debunk it being higher D, make a seperare crt to debunk it. Don't do it here. I won't respond to any of your comments regarding this topic anymore.

 

[Tdjwo]

Taking into reference similar wording, similar stuff alongside the cardinal directions is sometimes generalized as meaning "all of space" even when including places where there are higher dimensions.

The most clear example is Pokémon whose entire foundation of the 4th gen is exactly in the meaning of the word "Uchu" and "Sekai" using space as "up down, left right and back forth", and even in that case space is proven to have at least one more direction as parallel spaces are a thing that are encompassed by it.

Another similar example is the Four Holy Beasts in Digimon whose entire function is to set up the structure of all of time and space using the 4 cardinal directions as the basis for everything, but even in that context there are higher dimensions beyond just those, and yet when it's talking about space in an abstract sense, they often just call "up and down", "north, east, west, south".

In some cases, "north, east, west, south" are just a generalized way of saying "the general concept of directions", the same with "up, down, left, right, back and forth".

I'm almost perfectly sure that Nasuverse has clear examples of higher dimensions, so it mentioning the traditional spatial directions as "all dimensions" can be thought as just a general way of doing so.

Another similar example is that of 8, 80, 800, 8000, in Japanese like the 8 million gods, all have the traditional meaning of in fact referring to the "greatest number" "infinite", and "beyond count". So depending on the context, what seems to be limiting in fact just a way of generically calling an entire concept, instead of that specific version of the concept. It'll all depend on context in the series of course.

Thanks for the comment, Executor. This should clear up Hasty12345's misunderstanding. If he chooses to understand at least.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Please let's not clog the thread this time around with all these pinging stuff.

I'll ping @LephyrTheRevanchist for you.

 

[Tdjwo]

I'll ping @LephyrTheRevanchist for you.

I didn't ask.

 

[Georredannea15]

I didn't ask.

Are you going to keep being so aggressive? It's not going to end well for you.

 

[Hasty12345]

Thanks for the comment, Exector. This should clear up Hasty12345's misunderstanding. If he chooses to understand at least.

I appreciate his comment and his effort, however, I don't find it compelling.

I also don't appreciate the backhanded comment.

 

[Tdjwo]

Are you going to keep being so aggressive? It's not going to end well for you.

Read the comment he replied to and see what it said.

 

[KingNanaya]

I didn't ask.

you can chill bro. op asked for Lephyr to be pinged

 

[Tdjwo]

you can chill bro. op asked for Lephyr to be pinged

Why was it me he replied to tho? I said we should all chill about this pinging stuff and he proceeded to do exactly what is causing the threadclog.

I wasn't referring to the op btw. I was referring to the person that pinged someone under my reply.

 

[Deagonx]

If all you understand from this is 3 spatial dimensions, I can't find anything to say

What's your counter argument?

 

[Georredannea15]

Read the comment he replied to and see what it said.

He only tagged lephy for you, also lephy was very active in the previous revision. But you're still behaving aggressively.