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Nasuverse Discussion Board 26
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Honestly Nasu literally had a talk with the fate strange fake Author and told him to make all characters in pit pretty OP and I don't blame him.Makkurona said:
I really think it was about for a change and show people other new and cool OP characters.
Because in his past work everything always boiled down to Gilgamesh and honestly it was getting quite boring.
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Hell yeah 720 no scop kick let's gooooo
Some random fool is saying animation and art looks meh....
Watching episode 1 of absolute demonic front babylonia
OH yeah my Boi grab on to that waist...
Some random fool is saying animation and art looks meh....
Watching episode 1 of absolute demonic front babylonia
OH yeah my Boi grab on to that waist...
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Any other person would have had their neck completely broken... Or their head would have exploded....
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mere human limitations don't apply to Gudao
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Honestly I love Gudao as a protagonist just wish he had incredible magic on the level of Leo.
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As long as they kinda make Gudao out to be a support who actually contributes to the fights with mystic code strengthening and shit, and he isn't just standing back and yelling out commands while letting the others fight, I'm good
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Then should we add it to his profile? He already has Power Null from Excalibur Galatine hitting people (but that looks like Game Mechanic)
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The way I see it in my opinion here. It's just an assumption the MC is making but BB didn't really have a reason to teleport? If that ability has such a skill she could easily counter it at that time too? She had control over the Mooncell and isn't that the chapter she shows off her ten crowns?Diinou HotHead said:
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I mean, BB seems to prefer having Robin help her, or just teleport away.
She later said she don't wanna godstompz people with Ten Crowns after all.
She later said she don't wanna godstompz people with Ten Crowns after all.
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Could someone more familiar with CCC explain to me how the Moon Cell's rationale for sealing Gilgamesh ("the winner would have been decided from the beginning") is supposed to square with the fact that Karna, someone repeatedly cast as his near-equal, was allowed to participate in the HGW? Did anything ever clear that up?
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Karna isn't his near equal.
He's cast that way because Gil has been weakened from his time just sitting there in the dark side, iirc
He's cast that way because Gil has been weakened from his time just sitting there in the dark side, iirc
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He's "rehabilitated" over the course of the game, though, right? As a consequence, his parameters as of Extella are equal to his parameters with Tokiomi as a master (B/B/B/A/A/EX). Yet in Extella, Iskandar says that Karna is "just as strong as our Goldie", and Karna assesses his odds against Gilgamesh as 50/50...
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Extella Gil isn't CCC Gil iirc.
Extella Gil was dying due to the influence of the Dark Side of the Moon, which CCC Gil shrugged off like nothing.
Extella Gil was dying due to the influence of the Dark Side of the Moon, which CCC Gil shrugged off like nothing.
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Narratively, he's the Gil from CCC, but point taken if what you mean is just that it's not the same interpretation of the character. I'd need to look into it more closely to be sure if I agree with the point, but point taken.
Another possible explanation that occurred to me between responses is that maybe a full-power Karna IS Gilgamesh's near-equal, but is also a non-issue because of ridiculous mana inefficiency that would kill an ordinary master in seconds if he didn't hold back. Full-power Karna is a problem that, in the context of the Moon Cell Holy Grail War, either won't come up or will immediately take care of itself. But in the context of Extella, that limitation is absent, because he doesn't have a master—he's summoned by SE.RA.PH itself. As a result, you get a Karna that is comparable to Gilgamesh in actual practice—which under the different circumstances is not a problem, but exactly what the Moon Cell would want.
Another possible explanation that occurred to me between responses is that maybe a full-power Karna IS Gilgamesh's near-equal, but is also a non-issue because of ridiculous mana inefficiency that would kill an ordinary master in seconds if he didn't hold back. Full-power Karna is a problem that, in the context of the Moon Cell Holy Grail War, either won't come up or will immediately take care of itself. But in the context of Extella, that limitation is absent, because he doesn't have a master—he's summoned by SE.RA.PH itself. As a result, you get a Karna that is comparable to Gilgamesh in actual practice—which under the different circumstances is not a problem, but exactly what the Moon Cell would want.
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In the simplest of terms, Karna was peerless but Hinako... wasn't, he was blocked off from most of his potential, and unlike Karna who is more overpowering and relies on a lot of Mana, Gilgamesh just has an answer to nearly every situation, making circumventing him a way more horrible hell, and the quality of his master is meaningless because his own massive intellect and the Mana efficiency of his GoB means his potential never wavers.
He's also in a much better mood, meaning he's gonna be less of a prideful prick. The less prideful, the more exponentially dangerous Gil gets.
He's also in a much better mood, meaning he's gonna be less of a prideful prick. The less prideful, the more exponentially dangerous Gil gets.
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Yeah. I didn't bring up Jinako, because I can't recall whether the Moon Cell plays a "hands-on" role in determining which servants are pairable with which masters, and if she were the only problem, he'd still be a spanner in the works as long as it was possible for him to be summoned by someone else. That's why I think that the more important point you're getting at, and which clicked for me just a little before you responded, is that Karna would be blocked off from most of his potential by almost any master he contracted with.
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There's that Sun > Moon thingy too.
Might be able to explaim something.
Might be able to explaim something.
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Moon Cell doesn't have Earth Goddess Authority. It stores datas of Earth Mother Goddesses but it doesn't have the same authority. Moon Cell is attributed to the Moon, and only that.
BB does have it but that won't mean: BB has Earth Mother Goddess authority=> Moon Cell has Earth Mother Goddess Authority
And if anything, BB also has Moon attribute because her origin is from the Moon
Tbh this is simple concept in astrology or smtg iirc
BB does have it but that won't mean: BB has Earth Mother Goddess authority=> Moon Cell has Earth Mother Goddess Authority
And if anything, BB also has Moon attribute because her origin is from the Moon
Tbh this is simple concept in astrology or smtg iirc
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She didn't even think anything about it.
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Aoko does give that special service to boost the abilities of Servants based on the bond between master and Servant or something, but I don't remember it being a wide spread thing and felt more like game mechanics with some lore to sound more legit.
And more or less. Karna is powerful, but unless the Master is a good like Leo or Manaka Saijyou, he's in a constant state of holding back. His armor eats Mana like a freaking black hole so anything else he does is a gut punch to his master. He can't even use Mana Burst Flames for more than seconds or his master is gonna die from the Succ. Gil is just as powerful, way more versatile and costs literally no Mana. To make things worst, he has too much intellect and insight. Karna has discerning eyes, but he'll follow his master for better or worst.
And more or less. Karna is powerful, but unless the Master is a good like Leo or Manaka Saijyou, he's in a constant state of holding back. His armor eats Mana like a freaking black hole so anything else he does is a gut punch to his master. He can't even use Mana Burst Flames for more than seconds or his master is gonna die from the Succ. Gil is just as powerful, way more versatile and costs literally no Mana. To make things worst, he has too much intellect and insight. Karna has discerning eyes, but he'll follow his master for better or worst.
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Was it mentioned in the game though?Makkurona said:
K&K wasn't even in CCC (Except for the skill name)
It was destroyed before Jinako was sent to the Far Side, leaving Karna even more weakened than he already is.
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