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Nasuverse Discussion Board 15

Noble Phantasm

The Dynamics of an Asteroid: The Ultimate Crime Rank: A+
Type: Anti-Army
Range: 1~99
Maximum Number of Targets: 100 people

A Noble Phantasm which embodied the "planetary destruction" that Moriarty aims for. Because he was summoned as a Servant, it is being confined to "Anti-Army", but if its power is amplified, its range can extend to "Anti-City", "Anti-Country". Piercing the earth with an enormous pile bunker, everything is swallowed up by the resulting fissures in the ground.

In the Shinjuku Chapter, by using this Noble Phantasm to its greatest extent, it took another step closer to achieving the destruction of the protagonist and the planet.


So what power is it? Planet Level or City Level or Country Level or what?
 
That could make sense. Perhaps the more prep he has, the more powerful it is, because from his animation, it does not seem to be that powerful. Then again, you can't tell because he hasn't aimed the "planet piercing" weapon at the ground
 
I get the impression that whatever it is that amplifies it is through prep like getting more weapons or having some kind of outside source or whatever works?

Can't really say given all the mat has to give of Moriarty.
 
That's because Masada Discussion thread has got nothing but fan art to post while Nasuverse actually has important content to talk about
 
Monarch Laciel said:
That's because Masada Discussion thread has got nothing but fan art to post while Nasuverse actually has important content to talk about
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But we need more balance for this shit!
 
Important question here, guys.

So it's given that we can go inside the Singularities for however long we go in them as long as we make it before 2017/2019 (NA/overseas version) or whatever. But I just thought of an interesting question that I more or less say back on reddit (can't remember when it was posted, probably about some months back), and I have to ask: Is there some sort of different time progression that takes place everytime we go into a Singularity? Like for example, the first Summer event took place for many months at a time, probably a year or something inside (sounds pretty stretchy but hey, building something like statues to farm fields and houses CAN take time unless it was done in a few days non-stop by some Servants every now and then) yet even then Roman notes that it hasn't even been like minutes since we've gone for us to contact him. Or the same being with Sanzang's event where we took a month to travel with her but Mash noted only like...what? A few days passed since the Leyshift?

IDK if the Singularities are like that exactly but I was wondering if this is truly the case if we're running on real time and going by the release of each Singularity/event?
 
The thing that I remember from the first summer, even if a year has pass in the island, it would only be few days in Chaldea. I forgot the reason though.
 
Iirc, the weird time was a property of the sea surrounding the island, along with the servant-eating fish.
 
This is the case for the JP Version, where events, Singularities, EOR, and LB began whenever they were released (e.g. LB 3 starts in Nov 2018 in FGO time just like our Nov 2018). Then you add on the chronological time in the story, account for weird time stuff and you get a good idea of how long it took to finish them.
 
Hmm this might be kinda hard to answer but I have another important question to ask:

Is anyone here up for maybe a potential blog for the Fate verse that we can use to maybe have something around for those that aren't familiar enough with how Fate works and what it has and contains? You know things like what Servants/Heroic Spirits are and all, what NP's are and what kinds of effects and classifications they fall under, and all other junk like Authority and such relating and pertaining to Fate?

Reason I ask this is I get the feeling those who haven't read/watched/played Fate at all or only go by the profiles don't quite ever get certain concepts or ideas here and there, like how mystery is relevant to the verse and how it works or what Magecraft and Magic is and of other relevant things like the major players and then even more like Divine Spirits and......yeah.

Basically my idea was maybe to try and have a blog around here so as to have an easy-ish access to something that MAYBE could give everyone an idea of what is contained in the verse and such. I've seen and heard plenty were made around here, such as those for Masada (though my friend ALRF is planning on making a new one at some point) and there has been one for Mondaiji as well (another verse of which ALRF will make a proper one for), as do stuff like SMT and Digimon or that of that Elder Scrolls thing that happened lately.

Any thoughts here?
 
Qliphoth Bacikal said:
Hmm this might be kinda hard to answer but I have another important question to ask:
Is anyone here up for maybe a potential blog for the Fate verse that we can use to maybe have something around for those that aren't familiar enough with how Fate works and what it has and contains? You know things like what Servants/Heroic Spirits are and all, what NP's are and what kinds of effects and classifications they fall under, and all other junk like Authority and such relating and pertaining to Fate?

Reason I ask this is I get the feeling those who haven't read/watched/played Fate at all or only go by the profiles don't quite ever get certain concepts or ideas here and there, like how mystery is relevant to the verse and how it works or what Magecraft and Magic is and of other relevant things like the major players and then even more like Divine Spirits and......yeah.

Basically my idea was maybe to try and have a blog around here so as to have an easy-ish access to something that MAYBE could give everyone an idea of what is contained in the verse and such. I've seen and heard plenty were made around here, such as those for Masada (though my friend ALRF is planning on making a new one at some point) and there has been one for Mondaiji as well (another verse of which ALRF will make a proper one for), as do stuff like SMT and Digimon or that of that Elder Scrolls thing that happened lately.

Any thoughts here?
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I think its a great idea uwu, thumbs up
 
When you really get down to it, the inner workings of the Type-Moon universe isn't that complicated.

Magecraft and Magic: Magic is the unique abilities attributed to Magicians. Anything that cannot be explained or done with science is a Magic. Anything that can achieve results through technology is magecraft. Magecraft from the age of the gods was considered identical to magic simply because the science as we know it today didn't exist back then.

Mystery: A special attribute of anything mystical. Associated with the belief that older is better. The longer something is, the more mystery it gains. Living beyond a 100 years is the default for humans, but phantasmal creatures and immortal existences accumulate mystery as time passes. Normally, a being with a higher level of mystery cannot be harmed by a being of a smaller level of mystery. Regardless, there are exceptions to the rule.

Od/Mana: Both are forms of magical energy. Mana is produced by the planet and is likened to gasoline, while Od is magical energy formed in your body. It's tiny, but usable in some ways. That is why Magi prefer to use mana rather than Od.

Authority: The right a person has over something. Usually possessed by gods, it gives them administrator level access over their domain that cannot be challenged unless if it's by another with an equal authority. If a god over water wants to cause a tsunami, he can do so on a whim simply because he has the authority to do so.

I think what people really need to know is how the many installments tie together (Or don't) and a guide does seem very helpful for that. Regardless, it's something that'll require a lot of reading, especially when it involves characters that basically require a class to have any general knowledge about.
 
That would be nice, but Imma add this. A lot of these things are tiny little sums of info that you build up over a lot of expereince's across the nasuverse. I have a decent understanding of authority, but if i were to write a full on blog with a complete explenation then I would need to dive into Tsukuhime which is a big nope for me.

Going out and writing a complete analysis of servants and all the different mechanics would also be very complicated. Even stuff like how summoning is determined is debated, and many of my friends and I cannot come to a unified theory on that. You could write a full on guide book on all the stuff and there have been many

The Nasuverse is arguably the most lore rich franchise in all of Anime, and you would be hard pressed to find someone who has done a deep reading of all the english stuff, much less the japanese

Almost makes you forget that this all started as a porno kek
 
Baloshua said:
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that's gonna be a big nope. It is easy to get a basic understanding but hard to actually completely understand it.

Let me ask you a basic question, and I want you to give me a straight answer. Give me a basic answer and then a completely accurate one. Many could give the first, few could give the second

How is what servant you summon determined?
 
That's why I thought maybe a blog could help those that don't know enough of Fate or haven't ever read into it (or watched and played it with things like the animes/movies and FGO accounted for).

It would definitely be hard but its still doable no? If Digimon or Masada can have one or so (in the formers case), I don't see why Fate can be an exception.

Then again, Tsukihime probably has to be made or added in or something IDEK. And yet I'm not even going to bother with it solely cuz I'm not interested in it (does not equal to me not liking it, I just don't have the interest in it...yet).

It could take time but I would like to have one around if anything. And note that it doesn't have to be those battle related obviously, btw.
 
It would be hard to do one just for fate, because the returning concepts are often only given a passing explanation and kinda just pretend you have read the previous. Either a full on blog for KnK, Tsukuhime, and Fate would have to be made, or a blog for the individual concepts

I am already trying to do one on Angel Notes, and even that I can't do without diving into Tsukuhime and Fate/Extra which bring in their own can of worms


Basically, Fate does not exist in a bubble. its like the people who try to understand Masadaverse just from reading Dies Irae, but on a much greater scale
 
I know very well certain people here have done that last bit and act as if they know everything when you have stuff like K3 still being around...

Anywho, I guess that's a good point. But I think some kind of blog on some concepts would help then. For instance, we COULD have a blog on Servants and Noble Phantasms. Or even just the latter cuz I feel that those, especially with certain ones like Anti-Worlds and the like, need better clarification and what each pertains to.

That one seems pretty feasible and doable enough with that alone no?
 
@quilphoth

That being said, it's not that simple. Lets just start with the fact that the conceptual sublimation of planet destroying is ranked at Anti-City Level lol
 
Hey i've got a question for you guys. Rule breaker is said to destroy every magecraft on earth. but then i see people say that rulebreaker only breaks seals, enchantments thinks like that? Which is true, idk why they'd say it breaks every magecraft on earth then only make it those three.
 
@Iap Hehehehe. Yeah WTH to that, Moriarty lol

But yeah I think in general, stuff from the simple Anti-Unit NP's to the more complex ones like Anti-World can be made. And then ofc we have to account things of them not being destructive in nature but with a different effect in relation to the class.

Like for example, Gao's NP. What I learn is that his is Anti-Army but is an encampment type that pretty much gives many effects like bolstering his allies morales while inducing pressure and fear into his enemies. Stuff like that and others that fall under other categories like Medea's Rule Breaker and Solomon's Ars Almadel Salomonis.
 
Duviee said:
Hey i've got a question for you guys.
Rule breaker is said to destroy every magecraft on earth. but then i see people say that rulebreaker only breaks seals, enchantments thinks like that? Which is true, idk why they'd say it breaks every magecraft on earth then only make it those three.
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It breaks almost every type, but people often do not understand what that means. Servants obviously aren't one shot by it or anything. A good number of the kinds of magecraft that it can't break just aren't exactly something it could stab properly
 
Qliphoth Bacikal said:
@Iap Hehehehe. Yeah WTH to that, Moriarty lol
But yeah I think in general, stuff from the simple Anti-Unit NP's to the more complex ones like Anti-World can be made. And then ofc we have to account things of them not being destructive in nature but with a different effect in relation to the class.

Like for example, Gao's NP. What I learn is that his is Anti-Army but is an encampment type that pretty much gives many effects like bolstering his allies morales while inducing pressure and fear into his enemies. Stuff like that and others that fall under other categories like Medea's Rule Breaker and Solomon's Ars Almadel Salomonis.
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Ah okay. Rule breaker has a non normal anti- Instead of it being like an anti unit,city etc stuff like that its Anti-magecraft, and medea says it destroys every magecraft in the world. So i assume thats what it does. Idkk. Also from the original deen fate staynight when using it she implies more mana then whatever you'd going to destroy is required or something. Cuz when she stabs saber in sakuras body she states she couldnt breakt he contract because sakuras mana was too low. Though idk i asked this before but pople said the deen version isnt canon or something, Or that it doesnt follow the rules.

Aswell as the rule breaker more like transgresses the spell bringing it to what it was before hand, more correct then breaking. idk its confusing, i guess we just gotta wait for medea to apppear in another manga/Animation and see her use it on something other then a Contract of a servant. Also doesnt solmons np destroy the world or someting? lol im confused uwu
 
Ah my mistake, guys. I just remembered that Digimon's case of blogs has them break things down into multiple blogs that cover a certain subject or two.

So yeah, I think what Iap said makes a lot of sense of making individual blogs of certain ideas work best. So like we can have one that covers Servants and what they are and the like, or one where we can have one that covers Noble Phantasms and give a general and basic idea on they are and, most important, what kind of class they end up under in (moreso for those with special classes like AAS being "Anti-Humanity" or Enkidu being "Anti-Divine" or something of that line).
 
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