Nasuverse Discussion Board 13

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2301091

@All: I made the thread a few of us talked about a bit the other day ago. I don't think I made the point clear enough, though? But here it is so if anyone wants to further and clearly explain better on why it is made, do so.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Also, I had a thought.

So, we rate all the Extra Playble characters as resisting BB's stuff because "(After obtaining the power of the Root of the Beginning, BB, who is able to manipulate space-time, causality, probability, information, gravity, life, death, minds, senses, powers, and souls through her usage of Potnia Theron, was unable to affect No Name due to being opposed by a power of equal potency)"

And hear me out here...

If they resist all her stuff due to having power of equal potency...

then wouldn't she also be able to resist that stuff via having the power that Roof of the Beginning is equal to?

Anybody...

Also should Sakura have Resistance to Mind / Soul Manipulation for maintaining herself even after absorbing the souls of servants, which should cause her self to be overwritten or something?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Ehhhhh

It seems more like a plothole that's introduced with the concept of servants overriding people being brought long after stay/night was released.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

It's noted in the story itself apparently.

The Type Moon wiki states she shows "enormous talent" in maintaining her senses even as she absorbs more servants.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Can you find where that's based in the novel itself?

It could just be reffering to something that isn't related to her soul and mind being taken over.

If the servants taking over human bodies thing was demonstrated relatively near Stay/night's release I'd be inclined to agree, but I think this is just something that was forgotten about when they introduced that.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Unfortunately I don't have the VN, but I'm pretty sure the concept of living grails having their minds destroyed as they absorb more servants was present in stay night

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Hm. I think resistance to possession/mindhax might be warrented then.

 

[Solacis]

The lesser grails only receive the magical energy of the defeated Servant, which is later used to fuel the greater grail. The actual heroic spirit's consciousness has already been subdued from whatever killed them as a Servant. The reason why previous lesser grails started breaking down was because their bodies physically couldn't handle the strain of carrying enough magical energy to perform a miracle. Sakura's a special case because of her alignment to "Imaginary Numbers", which make her especially compatible with spiritual phenomena.

This is just a similar case to Shirou's inherent talent with sword-based magecraft and Rin's inherent talent in every standard magecraft.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Oh rip

Guess I made some changes too early then.

 

[Solacis]

Shouldn't Nightingale have Power Null due to her NP? She even nulled Dantes' NP in the Prison Tower manga.

Edit: Come to think of it, Nightingale's profile is missing a lot of information. She's also missing Willpower Manipulation and whatever power translates to causing mundane weapons to spontaenously stop working.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Technological Manipulation for the weapons, but that's more an application of her general "nothing can hurt each other inside this area" than the full power. Reality Warping maybe?

 

[Solacis]

Limited reality warping works.

 

[ZERO7772]

New board cuz this one is too long now https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2318372