Naruto vs Goku

[Gemmysaur]

one thing i am wondering is..
does anybody actually belive without these ridicoulus equalizing naruto would stand a candle to any version of goku past radditz?

There is no doubt Naruto would lose normally. That's why their stats are equalized, to make this a battle of wits.

The one who makes multi-layered plans vs the one who adapts very quickly in a fight.

 

[RavenSupreme]

i dont understand the whole plan argument when there is no knowledge involved as i explained already in another reply. neither of the guys is above the other in terms of battle smarts

 

[Gemmysaur]

i dont understand the whole plan argument when there is no knowledge involved as i explained already in another reply. neither of the guys is above the other in terms of battle smarts

They are of different battle smarts and they are nigh-equal there. That's what's fun about it.

 

[RavenSupreme]

different battle smarts may describe it well, yeha. no better or worse tho

 

[Pokémon_Trainer_Jacob]

Well it's a Martial Arts fight where everything is equalized. I gotta say Goku due to Instant Transmission and higher experience.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Current standings.


Actual combat.

Goku's side.

GreatestSin, SomebodyData, NotAMarioFan(lol), Aimenaltair, Alexcar3000, TheArcosian, GTgokussj4, Superanime200, Pietro Maximoff, Yojimbo1989, Pokemon Trainer Jacob


Naruto's side.

Gemmysaur, Lejon123!, Basilisk1995, Nagato903, President35JFK


Academic/combat intelligence.

Goku's side,

GreatestSin, SomebodyData (combat), GTgokussj4


Naruto's side.

Gemmysaur, SomebodyData (academics), Aimenaltair, Shanks of the red haired pirates


This post is epically long and therefore I most likely have missed somebody's vote for I am a lazy bum.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

Current standings.

Actual combat.

Goku's side.

GreatestSin, SomebodyData, NotAMarioFan(lol), Aimenaltair, Alexcar3000, TheArcosian, GTgokussj4, Superanime200, Pietro Maximoff, Yojimbo1989, Pokemon Trainer Jacob


Naruto's side.

Gemmysaur, Lejon123!, Basilisk1995, Nagato903, President35JFK


Academic/combat intelligence.

Goku's side,

GreatestSin, SomebodyData (combat), GTgokussj4


Naruto's side.

Gemmysaur, SomebodyData (academics), Aimenaltair, Shanks of the red haired pirates


This post is epically long and therefore I most likely have missed somebody's vote for I am a lazy bum.

I vote for Goku's combat intelligence as well

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I vote for goku as well

 

[Aguantaaa]

goku wins

 

[Non-Bias]

Why was Naruto's TSBs restricted lol?

I agree with RavenSupreme regarding both of their battle smarts though.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

Strategy against a heavy h2h fighter gimme a break, Goku would put pressure on Naruto rendring him unable to think.

This battle is simple, Goku is a master technician and an average Strategist, while Naruto is an average Technician and a Good Strategist, Goku has this easily if he doesn't fool arround and start seriously.

With stats equalized,clones and substitutions that's not the case.

 

[Addarash]

Goku wins. He was stated many times in his verse to be a battle genius.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Goku wins. He was stated many times in his verse to be a battle genius.

That doesn't mean anything. Naruto has been described as a battle genius as well, or somewhere along those lines.

 

[The_narrator_of_your_boring_life]

Goku wins because he's a saiyan.

they have a amazing talent for fighting allowing them to learn battle skills in seconds.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Goku wins because he's a saiyan.
they have a amazing talent for fighting allowing them to learn battle skills in seconds.

Naruto is a ninja, he was trained since childhood to wield elemental abilities as well as stealth, assassinations and war.

Naruto is also a descendant of the god of Shinobi, he is given abilities most any shinobi has never seen in their life as is his birthright.

Going by your logic, Naruto wins.

Try to give better analysis dude.

 

[The_narrator_of_your_boring_life]

Goku wins because he's a saiyan.
they have a amazing talent for fighting allowing them to learn battle skills in seconds.

Naruto is a ninja, he was trained since childhood to wield elemental abilities as well as stealth, assassinations and war.
Naruto is also a descendant of the god of Shinobi, he is given abilities most any shinobi has never seen in their life as is his birthright.

Going by your logic, Naruto wins.

Try to give better analysis dude.

this is a battle of martial arts due to his talent he wins.

He'll just mimic all of naruto's martial art skills and then surpass him. He can also just teleport his hand into naruto's body.

 

[Gemmysaur]

this is a battle of martial arts due to his talent he wins.

He'll just mimic all of naruto's martial art skills and then surpass him. He can also just teleport his hand into naruto's body.

This is a battle of combat intelligence and mastery, not simply martial arts as their strongest forms are allowed but equalized, as well as their own abilities (e.g. Kamehameha and Rasenshuriken).

Care to show me a scan or a screenshot of Goku teleporting his hand anywhere?

He can mimic Naruto's martial prowess but it'll take time to adjust to that. He isn't adjusting midfight, he has to get a breather to do so. Also, jutsus are out of the mimic list.

 

[KyofuSama93]

I would like to see Goku mimicking the Kawazu Kumite.

 

[The_narrator_of_your_boring_life]

anyone with teleportation should be able to do it

 

[Gemmysaur]

anyone with teleportation should be able to do it

Nope. Not all teleporters are telefraggers. That's a whole new ballgame.

Show me Goku doing it for it to be believable.

@Wbaez93 : That'd be debatable if he can mimic Kawazu Kumite, since that requires Sage Mode.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

http://www.**********.com/naruto/505/12

Teleportation is not speed but even then Naruto has it and greater wits . Goku has no battle smarts on Naruto literally most if not all fights Naruto fought required intelligence and tactics for him to win.And then you look at Gokus fights.....a power up ,change of hair,lasers and high speed movements how productive..

 

[FuaadMohamoud]

anyone with teleportation should be able to do it

goku's teleportation technique is basic teleportation according to the daizenshu he should be able to teleport his body into a space where someone else occupies....However Instant transmission requires focus that goku does not have time to do, while fighting someone with the same speed as him.......

 

[President35JFK]

Wait doesn't eveyone have the Kiai which is similar to the Kawazu Kumit.

Since you know invisible strike that people can see.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Wait doesn't eveyone have the Kiai which is similar to the Kawazu Kumit.
Since you know invisible strike that people can see.

Now that I think about it, yeah. But it's not passive like Kawazu Kumite in Sage Mode.

 

[KyofuSama93]

anyone with teleportation should be able to do it

Nope. Not all teleporters are telefraggers. That's a whole new ballgame.
Show me Goku doing it for it to be believable.

@Wbaez93 : That'd be debatable if he can mimic Kawazu Kumite, since that requires Sage Mode.

I was joking.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

http://www.**********.com/naruto/505/12
Teleportation is not speed but even then Naruto has it and greater wits . Goku has no battle smarts on Naruto literally most if not all fights Naruto fought required intelligence and tactics for him to win.And then you look at Gokus fights.....a power up ,change of hair,lasers and high speed movements how productive..

In case you missed it the first time

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v15/c178/15.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v06/c065/6.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v06/c065/7.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c189/4.html

Here's some additional evidence of Goku's immense adapatability and intelligence in battle

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v04/c048/2.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v04/c048/3.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v04/c048/4.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v04/c048/5.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v04/c048/6.html

So no, Goku's victories are not all to do with power ups, most of the time he loses is because the enemy so completely outclasses physically that he's unable to do anything. When he's on the same level as his opponent he always comes out on top

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v08/c092/8.html

 

[Yojimbo1989]

anyone with teleportation should be able to do it

goku's teleportation technique is basic teleportation according to the daizenshu he should be able to teleport his body into a space where someone else occupies....However Instant transmission requires focus that goku does not have time to do, while fighting someone with the same speed as him.......

No no no, Instant Transmission does not require focus to work, never has, never will, complete myth, utter fabrication, total lie.

All it needs is for Goku to be able to sense a ki signature, provided he does that Goku can move to said ki signature instantly. Goku has used it many times under pressure, against Cell

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c205/7.html

Against Kid Buu

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c316/6.html

and against Beerus (in Battle of Gods he spammed it)

this gives Goku a big trunp card to use if the going gets tough

 

[AllanSaiyan]

anyone with teleportation should be able to do it

goku's teleportation technique is basic teleportation according to the daizenshu he should be able to teleport his body into a space where someone else occupies....However Instant transmission requires focus that goku does not have time to do, while fighting someone with the same speed as him.......

No no no, Instant Transmission does not require focus to work, never has, never will, complete myth, utter fabrication, total lie.
All it needs is for Goku to be able to sense a ki signature, provided he does that Goku can move to said ki signature instantly. Goku has used it many times under pressure, against Cell

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c205/7.html

Against Kid Buu

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c316/6.html

and against Beerus (in Battle of Gods he spammed it)

this gives Goku a big trunp card to use if the going gets tough

Just some more scans backing up Goku instant transmissio

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball_chou/c005/6.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball_chou/c005/7.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball_chou/c005/8.html.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

i've got a feeling that this battle thread is gonna be a while

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

In case you missed it the first time

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v15/c178/15.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v06/c065/6.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v06/c065/7.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c189/4.html

Here's some additional evidence of Goku's immense adapatability and intelligence in battle

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v04/c048/2.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v04/c048/3.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v04/c048/4.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v04/c048/5.html

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v04/c048/6.html

So no, Goku's victories are not all to do with power ups, most of the time he loses is because the enemy so completely outclasses physically that he's unable to do anything. When he's on the same level as his opponent he always comes out on top

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v08/c092/8.html

There is literally no time I've ever seen him come up with an actual strategy in the entire series and I'm fairly certain he never has.

An example of coming up with a strategy and maneuvering by your disadvantages in moments not simply finding weaknesses or openings in hand to hand combat

http://www.**********.com/naruto/433/12

http://www.**********.com/naruto/433/13

http://www.**********.com/naruto/433/14

http://www.**********.com/naruto/433/15

http://www.**********.com/naruto/433/17

Moreover

http://www.**********.com/naruto/435/2

http://www.**********.com/naruto/435/3

http://www.**********.com/naruto/441/17

http://www.**********.com/naruto/442/9

http://www.**********.com/naruto/442/11

http://www.**********.com/naruto/442/17

http://www.**********.com/naruto/339/10

http://www.**********.com/naruto/341/9

He's got nothing on Naruto he never had anything on him either

Goku can use his head to use a few tricks or notice weaknesses and exploit them as any mediocre fighter could but that's as far as he goes literally

 

[FuaadMohamoud]

anyone with teleportation should be able to do it

goku's teleportation technique is basic teleportation according to the daizenshu he should be able to teleport his body into a space where someone else occupies....However Instant transmission requires focus that goku does not have time to do, while fighting someone with the same speed as him.......

No no no, Instant Transmission does not require focus to work, never has, never will, complete myth, utter fabrication, total lie.
All it needs is for Goku to be able to sense a ki signature, provided he does that Goku can move to said ki signature instantly. Goku has used it many times under pressure, against Cell

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c205/7.html

Against Kid Buu

http://********.me/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c316/6.html

and against Beerus (in Battle of Gods he spammed it)

this gives Goku a big trunp card to use if the going gets tough

Instant Transmissio (þ×¼Úûôþº╗Õïò"Instantaneous Movement", also translated as is a technique for traveling long distances instantly. This action is usually accompanied by the user placing his index and middle fingers on his forehead to help him concentrate, though if extra time is taken the technique can be performed without this aid. It was taught to Goku when he was on Planet Yardrat after his deadly battle with Frieza.

 

[AllanSaiyan]

There is literally no time I've ever seen him come up with an actual strategy in the entire series and I'm fairly certain he never has.

An example of coming up with a strategy and maneuvering by your disadvantages in moments not simply finding weaknesses or openings in hand to hand combat

http://www.**********.com/naruto/433/12

http://www.**********.com/naruto/433/13

http://www.**********.com/naruto/433/14

http://www.**********.com/naruto/433/15

http://www.**********.com/naruto/433/17

Moreover

http://www.**********.com/naruto/435/2

http://www.**********.com/naruto/435/3

http://www.**********.com/naruto/441/17

http://www.**********.com/naruto/442/9

http://www.**********.com/naruto/442/11

http://www.**********.com/naruto/442/17

http://www.**********.com/naruto/339/10

http://www.**********.com/naruto/341/9

He's got nothing on Naruto he never had anything on him either

Goku can use his head to use a few tricks or notice weaknesses and exploit them as any mediocre fighter could but that's as far as he goes literally

You forgot to mention that Naruto knew all the abilities of the pains because the slug told him. You think if naruto went into the fight without knowing anything, he would of won?

 

[Alexcar3000]

anyone with teleportation should be able to do it

goku's teleportation technique is basic teleportation according to the daizenshu he should be able to teleport his body into a space where someone else occupies....However Instant transmission requires focus that goku does not have time to do, while fighting someone with the same speed as him.......

He can IT spam in mid battle, he had used this multiple times, with the most recent being... well...

 

[FuaadMohamoud]

^It still needs concentration, it's just that whis training brought his concentration up..... Also he kinda instant transmission before the strike......

 

[Alexcar3000]

^It still needs concentration, it's just that whis training brought his concentration up.....

He needs the exact amount of concentration as he needs to do any other attack, it's just he needs to lock on Ki, and for the sake of equalizing , we will say that he can lock on to Naruto.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

^It still needs concentration, it's just that whis training brought his concentration up.....

No it does't all it needs is for Goku to be able to sense a ki signature, as I've said he's used it many times in the heat of battle under intense pressure

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

You forgot to mention that Naruto knew all the weakness of the pains because the slug told him which allowed him to exploit their weakness. You think if naruto went into the fight without knowing anything, he would of won?

No for example he did not know that deva path wasn't using his powers because he couldn't or that he had 5 second intervals per usage of his power those are things he picked up by analyzing him.

Oh and finding out weaknesses wasn't the essential thing i was referring.I was referring to the strategies he came up with he's far superior to Goku in combat smarts but yes he would've likely lost he only won due to plot Kyuubi his smarts are note worthy in the battle regardless however

 

[FuaadMohamoud]

^It still needs concentration, it's just that whis training brought his concentration up.....

No it does't all it needs is for Goku to be able to sense a ki signature, as I've said he's used it many times in the heat of battle under intense pressure

It still need's concentration and a ki singnature remember the return of cooler movie?

 

[Yojimbo1989]

^It still needs concentration, it's just that whis training brought his concentration up.....

No it does't all it needs is for Goku to be able to sense a ki signature, as I've said he's used it many times in the heat of battle under intense pressure

It still need's concentration and a ki singnature remember the return of cooler movie?

Non-canon, besides the reason most people seem to think it needs concentration is because of that mis-translation in the anime where when being chased by Kid Buu's death ball Goku tries to use it and says "It's no good, I can't concentrate". The real reason IT failed is because Kid Buu's massive ki blast was blotting out Goku's ability to sense any ki

 

[Alexcar3000]

^It still needs concentration, it's just that whis training brought his concentration up.....

No it does't all it needs is for Goku to be able to sense a ki signature, as I've said he's used it many times in the heat of battle under intense pressure

It still need's concentration and a ki singnature remember the return of cooler movie?

Non-canon, even GT Goku couldn't use IT because plot. In canon, Goku never had any trouble using IT in the heat of battle.