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Naruto Vs. Deku but it's finally not a stomp (9-5-0) (Concluded)

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Izuku Midoriya (Deku) (Final Act) Vs. Naruto Uzumaki (Part II: Pre-War Arc)​

  • Fight Location: Kamino, Yokohama
  • Battle Music
  • Starting Distance: 50 Meters
  • 45% Deku will be used
  • Naruto in his first key and starts off at KN4
  • 100% Deku restricted
  • Speed Equal
  • Both in character
Deku's AP is 550 Megatons higher with Fa Jin

Naruto's AP is 1.39 Gigatons with KN4

Deku's LS is Class T

Naruto's LS is Class M

Deku: @Kingofwolves999 @SuperStar @Acer__ @TheRustyOne @RandomGuy2345 @StorytellingDemonKing @BEASTHEART880 @Shey @Nierre


Naruto: @CiscoTheSoto @Pain_to12 @Naitodesu @XSOULOFCINDERX @Popted2


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If Naruto starts at 100 Megatons, then Doesnt deku kinda just ragdoll him in the first few seconds with a 5.5x ap advantage
 
I honestly gotta give this one to Naruto. Naruto’s higher AP and the Bijudamas will be too much for Deku to withstand. Another big advantage that Naruto has here is his aura. The KN4 aura is shown to be very poisonous and corrosive, so I believe that even if Deku tries to restrain Naruto with Blackwhip, the energy tendrils will disintegrate. Orochimaru tried to restrain Naruto with his snakes, but they were quickly disintegrated from the corrosive aura.

Even a single swipe from Naruto in this form is enough to leave a lasting mark, so if Naruto manages to swipe at Deku with his claws, it will severely hinder his fighting abilities. Naruto can even make clones of himself which spawn from his body, which would make it more difficult for Deku to avoid. A single swipe from this was enough to slice Orochimaru’s body in half, and he only survived because of his regeneration.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
I honestly gotta give this one to Naruto. Naruto’s higher AP and the Bijudamas will be too much for Deku to withstand. Another big advantage that Naruto has here is his aura. The KN4 aura is shown to be very poisonous and corrosive, so I believe that even if Deku tries to restrain Naruto with Blackwhip, the energy tendrils will disintegrate. Orochimaru tried to restrain Naruto with his snakes, but they were quickly disintegrated from the corrosive aura.

Even a single swipe from Naruto in this form is enough to leave a lasting mark, so if Naruto manages to swipe at Deku with his claws, it will severely hinder his fighting abilities. Naruto can even make clones of himself which spawn from his body, which would make it more difficult for Deku to avoid. A single swipe from this was enough to slice Orochimaru’s body in half, and he only survived because of his regeneration.
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Orochimaru could punch Naruto and not be affected by the aura instantly, so quick strikes actually allow you to not die. He can’t restrain with Blackwhip but he can still use it for mobility and increasing his striking power along with Fa Jin. He’s also wearing his Iron Soles + Mid Gauntlets, which would protect his feet and add an additional layer of defense against Naruto.

It’s true a single hit from Naruto, while normally not enough to severely wound Deku with the AP gap, would really mess him up due to the corrosive aura and the fact it basically cut Orochimaru in half. The hard part however is hitting Deku at all.

With Danger Sense and Analytical Prediction, Deku will be reading Naruto’s moves and avoiding them quite easily. Given he’s in this rage mode, most of his tactical smarts have been eroded away for pure power, and thus Deku holds a massive advantage in being able to plan far ahead of Naruto as well as fully abuse his Danger Sense. So while yes, a hit from Naruto will be very bad, Naruto is not exactly going to have an easy time hitting him through his mobility, predictions and precognition.

Another thing being overlooked is Deku’s speed amp with Fa Jin and Blackwhip, so even if Naruto tries AoE attacks, Deku can amp his speed to move out of the way, and then dash back in for easy hits. Deku is also flying through the air with Float, so Naruto is restricted to using his chakra arms or shockwaves to hit him, things that Deku can avoid with Danger Sense very easily.

Even a Bijudama would be hard to hit on Deku due to Fa Jin, as well as another Quirk of his that’s actually getting some use, and some inspiration from Orochimaru. Naruto in this key doesn’t have enhanced senses yet, so Smokescreen is actually useful for avoiding attacks, especially like the Bijudama which is an incredibly obvious technique. So if Naruto goes for it, Deku can just block his vision with Smokescreen, or even do what Orochimaru did (and what Deku did vs Gentle), and dig underground to avoid it. It has massive AoE but Deku has like 4 different methods of dodging it that makes it not that threatening. Not to mention the Bijudama is, again, the most obvious, easy to read and simple attack Naruto has in this form given it takes like 30 seconds to charge up and fire it.

I’d vote Deku. With Danger Sense, Fa Jin, Blackwhip’s mobility and his Analytical Prediction, he has all the tools necessary to dodge Naruto’s attacks with ease, respond to any weird body control stuff he does, and get strikes on Naruto that won’t instantly corrode him away due to having covering and that Orochimaru could touch him and not die immediately, so it takes at least some prolonged contact or Naruto initiating contact to get really bad. Bijudama’s get dodged in one of the multiple ways Deku has of avoiding them, so Naruto’s methods of taking Deku out are actually very limited and not very likely.

If Deku goes in with Fa Jin kicks, dodges any response attacks with Danger Sense, maneuvers around with Blackwhip and then starts reading Naruto’s moves to predict them, I’d say he has a far higher chance of victory than failure. It’s going to take a while due to Regen, but Naruto doesn’t have infinite stamina to draw on and will just burn himself out staying in KN4 mode for too long. Deku doesn’t have that weakness and can keep fighting for very long periods of time, so even if he can’t KO Naruto quickly, he’ll definitely out last him due to the toll this form takes on him at the time.
 
Naruto FRA, also to add the fact that he just regenerate from anything Deku does to him, And deku can not even get close to him at all and one hit means deku is done and also the AOE of naruto swipes, he could level an entire valley.
Sharigan >>>>>> Danger sensing, still does not help much.

Edit: No where in hell does Bijuudama take 30secs to charge up
 
Pain_to12 said:
Naruto FRA, also to add the fact that he just regenerate from anything Deku does to him, And deku can not even get close to him at all and one hit means deku is done and also the AOE of naruto swipes, he could level an entire valley.
Sharigan >>>>>> Danger sensing, still does not help much.

Edit: No where in hell does Bijuudama take 30secs to charge up
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Explained why Deku can briefly touch him just like Orochimaru did, on top of having things that protect his skin from touching Naruto directly.

Isn’t hitting him through Danger Sense and Analytical Prediction.

AoE dodged by Danger Sense, Fa Jin and Blackwhip.

What does the Sharingan mean here at all? KN4 Naruto hasn’t fought anyone with a Sharingan and how would that even matter to Danger Sense? There a reason it’s better? Or that he can overcome it? Speed is equal so is there some ability Naruto has that makes Danger Sense not work?

KN4 Bijudama takes several seconds, I was using hyperbole. He takes a long ass time to charge it up where he has to get the chakra, eat it, balloon up, then shoot. It gets avoided, Orochimaru literally stood still and watched him charge it up then blocked it with Rashomon, he won’t even see Deku if he tries to use it against him with how fast Deku will avoid it.

Regeneration is the only thing that matters and that depends on how long Naruto can even fight in KN4 before he dies from the state. Even then Deku has hella stamina so we need to argue how long either of them stays fighting since Naruto landing a hit is insanely difficult.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Explained why Deku can briefly touch him just like Orochimaru did, on top of having things that protect his skin from touching Naruto directly.

Isn’t hitting him through Danger Sense and Analytical Prediction.

AoE dodged by Danger Sense, Fa Jin and Blackwhip.

What does the Sharingan mean here at all? KN4 Naruto hasn’t fought anyone with a Sharingan and how would that even matter to Danger Sense? There a reason it’s better? Or that he can overcome it? Speed is equal so is there some ability Naruto has that makes Danger Sense not work?
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No a weaker version of Naruto fought sasuke in KN2, A sasuke that was faster and also has precog.
so the danger sensing is really the most basic of precog I have seen
Kingofwolves999 said:
KN4 Bijudama takes several seconds, I was using hyperbole. He takes a long ass time to charge it up where he has to get the chakra, eat it, balloon up, then shoot. It gets avoided, Orochimaru literally stood still and watched him charge it up then blocked it with Rashomon, he won’t even see Deku if he tries to use it against him with how fast Deku will avoid it.
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It does not take several seconds and he does not eat chakra, he simply opens compress and fires. the more he compress the stronger it is, which means the longer it takes to compress the higher the AP.
You need to prove deku can outrun the AOE of the attack, Orochimaru literally has something that can allow him to defend the AOE of the attack and also he has crazy Immortality
Not to mention orochimaru is actually stronger than that version of Naruto and only engaged him to taunt him, so that is a bad comparison there as Deku is not as strong, fast or as skilled as orochimaru.
in this case Naruto actually has the AP advantage
Kingofwolves999 said:
Regeneration is the only thing that matters and that depends on how long Naruto can even fight in KN4 before he dies from the state. Even then Deku has hella stamina so we need to argue how long either of them stays fighting since Naruto landing a hit is insanely difficult.
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There will be no fighting only deku running around like a squirrel and Naruto chasing him, to begin with. And no it is KN4 so it will take a very long ass time before he even gets exhausted or anything both in the valley and during orochimaru, he was literally just sitting there in that form waiting for yamato. You keep saying Naruto is not landing a hit and forget that Deku is also not landing a hit but running. and deku cannot even scratch him in this state.
So how long can deku keep outrunning detonating bombs. Not to forget the speed at which tbb fired travels is higher than the characters travel speed. So he is not really outrunning the AOE, he gets dolled over and over again.

Keep my vote for Naruto as I still don't see anything that you have said that swayed me.
 
I will count the votes and I will vote for Deku due to Kings reasons. Seems like Naruto's only advantages are regen and AOE. Deku does have massive AOE attacks with 45% Deku also has flight which can make him play range and keep Naruto at bay IF he is getting overwhelmed in CQC
 
SuperStar said:
I will count the votes and I will vote for Deku due to Kings reasons. Seems like Naruto's only advantages are regen and AOE. Deku does have massive AOE attacks with 45% Deku also has flight which can make him play range and keep Naruto at bay IF he is getting overwhelmed in CQC
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It is not an IF, he will get overwhelmed in CQC, and also the flight is not really relevant due to variety of long range attacks.
And also Deku's only advantage is running and hoping he outlasts naruto while dodging attacks.
 
Pain_to12 said:
It is not an IF, he will get overwhelmed in CQC, and also the flight is not really relevant due to variety of long range attacks.
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Even if he does get overwhelmed in CQC, it kinda works out in favor of Deku since he can move around freely in the air while storing up Fa Jin attacks which can blitz people break limbs and bones of characters that are comparable to him in strength. Although Naruto is stronger here, those attacks will still do massive damage. Also, Deku also does have plenty of long range attacks at his disposal as well. I just see Deku having more advantages than Naruto here, especially stamina wise
 
Pain_to12 said:
No a weaker version of Naruto fought sasuke in KN2, A sasuke that was faster and also has precog.
so the danger sensing is really the most basic of precog I have seen

It does not take several seconds and he does not eat chakra, he simply opens compress and fires. the more he compress the stronger it is, which means the longer it takes to compress the higher the AP.
You need to prove deku can outrun the AOE of the attack, Orochimaru literally has something that can allow him to defend the AOE of the attack and also he has crazy Immortality
Not to mention orochimaru is actually stronger than that version of Naruto and only engaged him to taunt him, so that is a bad comparison there as Deku is not as strong, fast or as skilled as orochimaru.
in this case Naruto actually has the AP advantage

There will be no fighting only deku running around like a squirrel and Naruto chasing him, to begin with. And no it is KN4 so it will take a very long ass time before he even gets exhausted or anything both in the valley and during orochimaru, he was literally just sitting there in that form waiting for yamato. You keep saying Naruto is not landing a hit and forget that Deku is also not landing a hit but running. and deku cannot even scratch him in this state.
So how long can deku keep outrunning detonating bombs. Not to forget the speed at which tbb fired travels is higher than the characters travel speed. So he is not really outrunning the AOE, he gets dolled over and over again.

Keep my vote for Naruto as I still don't see anything that you have said that swayed me.
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I assume you mean Kid Naruto KN1 and at the VOTE. Sasuke’s Sharingan literally could not keep up with the chakra cloak specifically due to the nature of the cloak, not because the cloak inherently negates precog abilities. Danger Sense senses hostility and intent, there is no attack Naruto has that will not trigger danger sense so that he knows about it and can avoid it. Two incredibly different precognitions you’re attempting to compare here.

KN4 Bijudama is literally him gathering chakra, condensing it into a ball, eating the ball, ballooning up and then expelling the energy. A normal Bijudama does not require all of this, KN4 Naruto’s absolutely does. That’s why Orochimaru and Yamato literally commented on what he was doing and the state he was in while he was charging it, and Orochimaru even RAN AWAY because of how long it was taking Naruto to create it. He was able to get hella distance from Naruto, enough to make his triple Rashomon. Deku with Fa Jin is absolutely outpacing Naruto if he goes for a Bijudama, on top of Smokescreen obscuring his vision so he won’t even know where to shoot unless he stops to get rid of it. KN4 Bijudama are not a good option, plain and simple.

And Deku has options of getting around literally every single attack you’re talking about same as Orochimaru? So idk why you’re trying to compare the two? How does Naruto tag Deku when he’s using Fa Jin? How does Naruto hit him with a Bijudama when he can’t see him through smokescreen? How does Naruto kill him with his clone body control when Deku danger senses and dodges him? How does Naruto deal with Analytical Prediction when he’s in this rage mode that ISN’T dependent on his chakra flow but just his actual movements? Especially when ALL of this is compounded with him being in a rage state that robs him of his tactical smarts?

If they’re both not landing hits then it comes down to stamina. Can Naruto stay in KN4 for several days? And Deku not landing hits is disingenuous when he has Fa Jin + Blackwhip to outspeed Naruto briefly, with Fa Jin alone being able to blitz people comparable to him and it only gets stronger the more he dodges Naruto, who is too frenzied to even notice that and plan around it.

TBB for KN4 does not have a higher speed than Naruto’s normal speed, and even if it did, Deku speed amps away or uses smokescreen to make Naruto Miss or digs underground like Orochimaru or literally ANY of the numerous ways he can dodge it that I’ve outlined already. You keep bringing up AP as if it’s going to matter when Deku predicts every move, precogs every attack, is stat amping himself and getting faster + stronger the longer the fight goes with Fa Jin. AoE is not enough, Deku will dodge it, and idk how you’re not seeing how. Fa Jin spam + Danger Sense + Blackwhip = no damage from AoE attacks, especially when he predicts Naruto’s moves and knows when’s he’s going to do an AoE attack before Naruto even does it.

Deku has at least 1 month long stamina, can Naruto even fight in KN4 for 24 hours before he just dies?
 
Pain_to12 said:
It is not an IF, he will get overwhelmed in CQC, and also the flight is not really relevant due to variety of long range attacks.
And also Deku's only advantage is running and hoping he outlasts naruto while dodging attacks.
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So again, can Naruto stay in KN4 for over 24 hours before he just dies? Because he is never hitting Deku while Deku is getting faster with Fa Jin + Blackwhip, on top of Danger Sense alerting him to all of Naruto’s attacks before they even get to him.
 
To further establish this, because I really do not need this being a main point of argument; Danger Sense is not the same as the Sharingan when it comes to what is being sensed and how they precog things.

The Sharingan is reading chakra, body movements, twitches, muscles, things like that. Sasuke had such a tough time with the Chakra cloak because he literally could not read what it would do. It was unpredictable. It wasn’t something his Sharingan was meant to predict at the stage it was at. Even with 3 tomoe, he simply could not tell what the cloak would do, it was acting on its own.

Danger Sense does not care or differentiate. It doesn’t matter if Naruto attacks or his cloak does, Danger Sense picks them both up. It reads “this is dangerous,” “he’s attacking you,” “he has hostile intent in this way,” not the body or his chakra. This is far broader than the Sharingan, which means it works far more reliably, though not in an exceedingly powerful way. That’s it’s advantage.

Two different precognitions, two different applications, two different results.

Please do not compare the two further as if “Sharingan does x and Danger Sense doesn’t so Sharingan better!!!!!!!” Its very surface level.
 
Yeah Deku kinda just slaps him around FRA

None of this mentioned that class T means he can just...
hold him forever with blackwhip, Naruto's two tiers lower than him he aint breaking outta shit unless he swipes it which he's no gonna be doing with his arms behind his back
 
Acer__ said:
Yeah Deku kinda just slaps him around FRA

None of this mentioned that class T means he can just...
hold him forever with blackwhip, Naruto's two tiers lower than him he aint breaking outta shit unless he swipes it which he's no gonna be doing with his arms behind his back
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Blackwhip burns from the corrosion so he can’t do much with his LS advantage.
 
Acer__ said:
Yeah Deku kinda just slaps him around FRA

None of this mentioned that class T means he can just...
hold him forever with blackwhip, Naruto's two tiers lower than him he aint breaking outta shit unless he swipes it which he's no gonna be doing with his arms behind his back
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Even if it did restrain him, KN4 Naruto can literally Spawn new limbs and a second upper body from other spots of his original one so he could just break out that way even if they didn't burn away from being corroded by his aura.
 
The reasons by Kingofwolves makes sense to me.

I'll vote Izuku as well for his reasons.
 
Quick question -- what's keeping Naruto in KN4? If he doesn't have Yamato, or anyone else to dispel the Chakra Cloak, then his power is going to keep rising. Iirc transformations are allowed as long as the tier doesn't change, and even in KN6 Naruto is listed only as 'higher' than Large Mountain Level. At the very least, that's another tail sprouting out, if not two or three. Could Deku keep up with his speed in that case?
 
PapiSavitar5025 said:
Quick question -- what's keeping Naruto in KN4? If he doesn't have Yamato, or anyone else to dispel the Chakra Cloak, then his power is going to keep rising. Iirc transformations are allowed as long as the tier doesn't change, and even in KN6 Naruto is listed only as 'higher' than Large Mountain Level. At the very least, that's another tail sprouting out, if not two or three. Could Deku keep up with his speed in that case?
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The key that Naruto is in he can only amp to KN4 at max KN6 and anything after that would be the Pain Assault Arc
 
Pain_to12 said:
@SuperStar first, you cannot vote in your own vs thread.
Also, can you be any less bias and actually count the votes properly and add them to the tally
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You can actually vote in your own threads
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