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Naruto Vs. Deku but it's finally not a stomp (9-5-0) (Concluded)

If the votes end up being 7-7 or tied in general, I'll just start grace for incon
 
Acer__ said:
I’ve gotta say that when King rechecks this match he ain’t gonna like blow it’s going
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Oh how right you are considering idk what is even being FRA’d for Naruto’s side.

Is the argument people are voting for that Naruto one shots with an AoE attack? Because even Orochimaru withstood Naruto just smacking the ground, which is the only AoE attack he has outside of a Bijudama, with no injuries at all. That’s assuming the shockwave even hits Deku when he senses it with Danger Sense and just flies out of range before it connects.

The only way Naruto one shots is with a direct strike from his claws, which will be basically impossible to do given Deku has Fa Jin, Float and Danger Sense. So Naruto just gets kited hard and eventually tires out from his form considering he doesn’t even have a fraction of Deku’s stamina, especially in a state that is literally killing him.

Deku doesn’t even need to damage him to win, he just needs to survive the wild flailing and lack of tactics, which would be child’s play, until Naruto just drops dead/KO’d from the form. So idk how he’s gonna be winning anything.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Oh how right you are considering idk what is even being FRA’d for Naruto’s side.

Is the argument people are voting for that Naruto one shots with an AoE attack? Because even Orochimaru withstood Naruto just smacking the ground, which is the only AoE attack he has outside of a Bijudama, with no injuries at all. That’s assuming the shockwave even hits Deku when he senses it with Danger Sense and just flies out of range before it connects.

The only way Naruto one shots is with a direct strike from his claws, which will be basically impossible to do given Deku has Fa Jin, Float and Danger Sense. So Naruto just gets kited hard and eventually tires out from his form considering he doesn’t even have a fraction of Deku’s stamina, especially in a state that is literally killing him.

Deku doesn’t even need to damage him to win, he just needs to survive the wild flailing and lack of tactics, which would be child’s play, until Naruto just drops dead/KO’d from the form. So idk how he’s gonna be winning anything.
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The problem with that is that Naruto's eventually gonna get more tails and get stronger and faster as this goes on, the only reason it didn't happen against Orochimaru is because Yamato was directly counteracting Kurama's Chakra with his Wood Style and Sakura was calming him down as well. Without that, he's gonna eventually get a 5 or even 6 Tailed cloak if Kurama gets pissed off enough that he can't tag Deku and yes, it's Kurama controlling him in this form as shown by the fact that he can do a Tailed Beast Bomb, something Naruto literally can't do without Kurama doing most of the work for it until he gets SPSM, and his absurd Body Control that let's him sprout an entire second torso out of his back, something Naruto has never done on his own before, even with all of his future buffs and Kurama is a Genius, he would eventually figure out that just flailing like a wild animal isn't working so he would try to go for Speed Amps like Shunshin, something he didn't need against Orochimaru.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
The problem with that is that Naruto's eventually gonna get more tails and get stronger and faster as this goes on, the only reason it didn't happen against Orochimaru is because Yamato was directly counteracting Kurama's Chakra with his Wood Style and Sakura was calming him down as well. Without that, he's gonna eventually get a 5 or even 6 Tailed cloak if Kurama gets pissed off enough that he can't tag Deku and yes, it's Kurama controlling him in this form as shown by the fact that he can do a Tailed Beast Bomb, something Naruto literally can't do without Kurama doing most of the work for it until he gets SPSM, and his absurd Body Control that let's him sprout an entire second torso out of his back, something Naruto has never done on his own before, even with all of his future buffs and Kurama is a Genius, he would eventually figure out that just flailing like a wild animal isn't working so he would try to go for Speed Amps like Shunshin, something he didn't need against Orochimaru.
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this is first key naruto

he doesnt have more tails on his profile for this key
 
Acer__ said:
this is first key naruto

he doesnt have more tails on his profile for this key
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I know but the series states he was only getting stronger as time went by due to more and more of Kurama's Chakra coming out and that the only reason he didn't get more tails is because he was stopped before it happened. Either way, he doesn't need them because Kurama will eventually think 'I need to just use a Shunshin to blitz him and chop him in half. If that doesn't work, keep spamming it with giant Chakra arms to smack him with some AOE' like Naruto did against Sasuke in the VotE back in Part 1 when Naruto barely understood how Kurama's powers work, let alone Kurama himself actually controlling Naruto and fighting for him here.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I know but the series states he was only getting stronger as time went by due to more and more of Kurama's Chakra coming out and that the only reason he didn't get more tails is because he was stopped before it happened. Either way, he doesn't need them because Kurama will eventually think 'I need to just use a Shunshin to blitz him and chop him in half. If that doesn't work, keep spamming it with giant Chakra arms to smack him with some AOE' like Naruto did against Sasuke in the VotE back in Part 1 when Naruto barely understood how Kurama's powers work, let alone Kurama himself actually controlling Naruto and fighting for him here.
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Danger Sense keeps up with speed amps already, and is there a reason he could even do a proper shunshin while in this state? It’s not like Kurama is 100% in control of Naruto and making all the decisions in a calm manner, KN4 is Naruto completely overtaken by the hatred and anger that Kurama feels and imbues his chakra with.

Again, chakra arms get dodged. Fa Jin and Blackwhip, on top of having actual flight with Float, damn near neg any threat the chakra arms could pose to him, even if he starts splitting them off into multiple chakra arms. KN4 radiates hostility, Danger Sense will alert Deku to everything he’s going to be doing, there’s no chance he just gets blasted with an AoE attack without some ridiculous luck or planning on Naruto’s part, which he is not capable of doing consistently, if at all, I’m KN4.

Again, KURAMA IS NOT CONTROLLING NARUTO LIKE A PUPPET. KN4 is Naruto literally burning with hatred and pain such that he’s in a berserk state, not being manipulated by Kurama giving him plans and stategies. If Kurama was literally in control of Naruto during KN4, he would’ve ditched the Orochimaru fight and just went to try to free himself or literally any other thing than fighting someone he couldn’t care less about.

The seal is still up during KN4, and if Kurama really tried to take full control, Minato would show up and force him to go down. If anything, that will be the endgame of the fight, not Naruto eternally getting stronger than he’s capable of handling.
 
Naruto doing things he wouldn’t normally do in KN4 could literally just be Kurama’s instincts mixing with Naruto’s, it is not at ALL indicative that Kurama is 100% controlling all of his movements, or that KN4 has unlimited access to any tactics or strategy that Kurama would think of or employ usually. That completely removes the agency of Naruto, whose blind anger is the reason the form surfaces in the first place.

KN4 is a wild animal thrashing at max power, implying that Kurama, one of the most insightful beings in the series, is attacking like KN4 does is ridiculous.
 
Okay, so what prevents Deku from becoming completely frozen in fear by Kurama's Presence, something he could do in just KN0 as shown in Boruto, let alone KN4 where both Naruto and Kurama are pissed off beyond belief? He has no resistance to Fear Hax on his Profile.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Okay, so what prevents Deku from becoming completely frozen in fear by Kurama's Presence, something he could do in just KN0 as shown in Boruto, let alone KN4 where both Naruto and Kurama are pissed off beyond belief? He has no resistance to Fear Hax on his Profile.
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Supernatural will
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
That's not how that works, it needs feats of resisting Fear Hax with it, of which he has none listed.
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Oh boy now I have a reason to make that resistance to fear manipulation thread I was going to make.

Anyway, Deku can resist Shigaraki + AFO’s full willpower, which can fear manip dozens of people mentally amped by Trumpet’s quirk, so much so it overrides the Quirk. Deku saw his death due to Shigaraki’s presence and still tried to fight him, so brb while I fix that.

Also, even if Deku himself can’t do it, the vestiges will directly defend against Fear Manipulation, as shown in the vestige world when they shut down AFO and Shigaraki trying to take OFA, which was a willpower clash which is the source of their Fear Manipulation.

Anymore arguments? I’ll be listening while making this CRT.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Oh boy now I have a reason to make that resistance to fear manipulation thread I was going to make.

Anyway, Deku can resist Shigaraki + AFO’s full willpower, which can fear manip dozens of people mentally amped by Trumpet’s quirk, so much so it overrides the Quirk. Deku saw his death due to Shigaraki’s presence and still tried to fight him, so brb while I fix that.

Also, even if Deku himself can’t do it, the vestiges will directly defend against Fear Manipulation, as shown in the vestige world when they shut down AFO and Shigaraki trying to take OFA, which was a willpower clash which is the source of their Fear Manipulation.

Anymore arguments? I’ll be listening while making this CRT.
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I can wait but until it's added to him then he can't beat Naruto like this.
 
DivineAura44 said:
Grace has started btw. If no votes happen with 24 hours this will be incon.
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Kingofwolves999 said:
I assume you mean Kid Naruto KN1 and at the VOTE. Sasuke’s Sharingan literally could not keep up with the chakra cloak specifically due to the nature of the cloak, not because the cloak inherently negates precog abilities. Danger Sense senses hostility and intent, there is no attack Naruto has that will not trigger danger sense so that he knows about it and can avoid it. Two incredibly different precognitions you’re attempting to compare here.

KN4 Bijudama is literally him gathering chakra, condensing it into a ball, eating the ball, ballooning up and then expelling the energy. A normal Bijudama does not require all of this, KN4 Naruto’s absolutely does. That’s why Orochimaru and Yamato literally commented on what he was doing and the state he was in while he was charging it, and Orochimaru even RAN AWAY because of how long it was taking Naruto to create it. He was able to get hella distance from Naruto, enough to make his triple Rashomon. Deku with Fa Jin is absolutely outpacing Naruto if he goes for a Bijudama, on top of Smokescreen obscuring his vision so he won’t even know where to shoot unless he stops to get rid of it. KN4 Bijudama are not a good option, plain and simple.

And Deku has options of getting around literally every single attack you’re talking about same as Orochimaru? So idk why you’re trying to compare the two? How does Naruto tag Deku when he’s using Fa Jin? How does Naruto hit him with a Bijudama when he can’t see him through smokescreen? How does Naruto kill him with his clone body control when Deku danger senses and dodges him? How does Naruto deal with Analytical Prediction when he’s in this rage mode that ISN’T dependent on his chakra flow but just his actual movements? Especially when ALL of this is compounded with him being in a rage state that robs him of his tactical smarts?

If they’re both not landing hits then it comes down to stamina. Can Naruto stay in KN4 for several days? And Deku not landing hits is disingenuous when he has Fa Jin + Blackwhip to outspeed Naruto briefly, with Fa Jin alone being able to blitz people comparable to him and it only gets stronger the more he dodges Naruto, who is too frenzied to even notice that and plan around it.

TBB for KN4 does not have a higher speed than Naruto’s normal speed, and even if it did, Deku speed amps away or uses smokescreen to make Naruto Miss or digs underground like Orochimaru or literally ANY of the numerous ways he can dodge it that I’ve outlined already. You keep bringing up AP as if it’s going to matter when Deku predicts every move, precogs every attack, is stat amping himself and getting faster + stronger the longer the fight goes with Fa Jin. AoE is not enough, Deku will dodge it, and idk how you’re not seeing how. Fa Jin spam + Danger Sense + Blackwhip = no damage from AoE attacks, especially when he predicts Naruto’s moves and knows when’s he’s going to do an AoE attack before Naruto even does it.

Deku has at least 1 month long stamina, can Naruto even fight in KN4 for 24 hours before he just dies?
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voting deku for kings reasons, Deku's wincon is more viable
 
Yeah Deku FRA

The Naruto arguments aren't really convincing to me tbh. In a massive city, Deku has a MASSSSIVE advantage, ontop of danger sense, flying, fa jin, stamina and black whip, he isn't getting touched
 
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