Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[MinatoSparkle]

Yes, which would still hold true if the statement was only speaking to the Susano'o's power and durability.

Well in a direct clash yes, but there are a lot of situations where Kirin would be better against other opponents if it was much faster

And personally, I'd be leaning more towards that interpretation since the statement is positioned as being from Sasuke's perspective, who at that point had no real way of gauging the Susano'o's speed, only its durability (via a feat he actually witnessed of Itachi surviving Kirin using the Susano'o) and its power (which he can likely surmise from the feel of the chakra or using his Sharingan).

I mean the Susanoo did get obliterated and barely allowed Itachi to survive so idt that feat would make Sasuke think that lol, but for the second fair enough (Sasuke didn't have the Sharingan active, but he probably could've felt the chakra anyways)

I think the statement could be switching from Sasuke's perspective to the narrator but it's vague.

But that's just me , if you feel otherwise that's cool.

I'm kind of on the fence atm

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Well in a direct clash yes, but there are a lot of situations where Kirin would be better against other opponents if it was much faster

Why does that matter when the comparison is only about Susano'o in relation to Kirin? Obviously different techniques can be better in different situations depending on the opponent or the specific functionality that the user requires. For example, Chidori is more powerful than the Chidori spear, but that extra range came in handy for Sasuke on numerous occasions. It just depends on the context.

I mean the Susanoo did get obliterated and barely allowed Itachi to survive so idt that feat would make Sasuke think that lol,

I mean, if the ribcage alone can allow Itachi to survive with very minimal injuries, then I'd say it'd be a pretty fair assumption to think that the fully armored thing would be at that level, especially given that the statement is about the fully manifested Susano'o, no?

but for the second fair enough (Sasuke didn't have the Sharingan active, but he probably could've felt the chakra anyways)

Yeah, you're right about that. I forgot he didn't have the Sharingan active after Kirin.

I think the statement could be switching from Sasuke's perspective to the narrator but it's vague.

Ehhh. I mean, even the narrator is clearly just stating Sasuke's thoughts here, which we were not privy to in the first place.

I'm kind of on the fence atm

Fair enough.

 

[Damage3245]

I mean, if the ribcage alone can allow Itachi to survive with very minimal injuries, then I'd say it'd be a pretty fair assumption to think that the fully armored thing would be at that level, especially given that the statement is about the fully manifested Susano'o, no?

IMO there's no reason to think that Itachi used the rib cage alone. He could've pulled out the Yata mirror which is a part of his Susano'o and is invincible.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

And have the attack reflect back on sasuke and inevitably kill him? yeah no

 

[KingogKings777]

For fun; which characters (not counting through the use of Izanagi or Edo Tensei) in just Shippuden would be able to survive Konan's 600 Billion Paper Bombs trap, assuming they were put into the same situation that Obito was?

Depends? How strong is a single paper bomb? Like room to building level?

 

[Damage3245]

And have the attack reflect back on sasuke and inevitably kill him? yeah no

The Yata Mirror doesn't automatically fling back all attacks directly at the opponent; when Sasuke threw multiple explosives at the Yata mirror, the explosives just detonated against it instead of being sent back at him.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

IMO there's no reason to think that Itachi used the rib cage alone. He could've pulled out the Yata mirror which is a part of his Susano'o and is invincible.

I disagree with him having used the Yata Mirror. If he did, it would've neutralized Kirin, and we saw that Kirin managed to damage him to some extent given his cloak being gone and the minor burns he had all over.
The Ribcage is the only Susano'o stage that we never saw wielding the mirror. Additionally, it's literally what Itachi said he used, so honestly...I feel like Occams Razor just supports my interpretation on this.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

And have the attack reflect back on sasuke and inevitably kill him? yeah no

The Yata Mirror doesn't reflect attacks, it just nullifies them in a similar fashion to the TSBs.

 

[Damage3245]

I disagree with him having used the Yata Mirror. If he did, it would've neutralized Kirin, and we saw that Kirin managed to damage him to some extent given his cloak being gone and the minor burns he had all over.
The Ribcage is the only Susano'o stage that we never saw wielding the mirror. Additionally, it's literally what Itachi said he used, so honestly...I feel like Occams Razor just supports my interpretation on this.

As to that, I think that Kirin's sheer scale / area of effect was beyond what the Yata Mirror could cover so there'd still be plenty of destruction while leaving Itachi more or less unharmed - but I'll leave it at that since we disagree.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

As to that, I think that Kirin's sheer scale / area of effect was beyond what the Yata Mirror could cover so there'd still be plenty of destruction while leaving Itachi more or less unharmed - but I'll leave it at that since we disagree.

Fair enough - But given that the Spirit Weapons have the ability to change their shape and size, and the Yata Mirror in particular did show the ability to cover the Susano'o almost in its entirety, I'm personally not very convinced by that.

 

[KingogKings777]

Fair enough - But given that the Spirit Weapons have the ability to change their shape and size, and the Yata Mirror in particular did show the ability to cover the Susano'o almost in its entirety, I'm personally not very convinced by that.

Doesn't your own scan disprove your claim since it doesn't cover it entirety and the explosion still happens and stuff so.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Doesn't your own scan disprove your claim since it doesn't cover it entirety and the explosion still happens and stuff so.

almost in its entirety

I'd highly suggest you improve your reading comprehension skills before engaging with me again.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

The Yata Mirror doesn't automatically fling back all attacks directly at the opponent; when Sasuke threw multiple explosives at the Yata mirror, the explosives just detonated against it instead of being sent back at him.

• It's called the Yata Mirror and is said to deflect all things
• Sasuke in an attempt to stab Itachi's Yata Mirror gets shot back when his blade hits the shield
• The Explosions don't get shot back at Sasuke because they were not projectiles to begin with, they are paper bombs strung onto kunais that are shot at the target and later detonate, if the explosion originates an inch away from the yata mirror it would no reason to reach Sasuke specifically and implode him all the way from there, by Kishimoto's listed definitions to not be contradicted the kunai's need to be flung back which doesn't occur due to them being destroyed by the explosion.
• By having the prior example of the blade being deflected it confirms what the statement proposed and makes it a consistent ability of the mirror

 

[Damage3245]

• It's called the Yata Mirror and is said to deflect all things
• Sasuke in an attempt to stab Itachi's Yata Mirror gets shot back when his blade hits the shield
• The Explosions don't get shot back at Sasuke because they were not projectiles to begin with, they are paper bombs strung onto kunais that are shot at the target and later detonate, if the explosion originates an inch away from the yata mirror it would no reason to reach Sasuke specifically and implode him all the way from there, by Kishimoto's listed definitions to not be contradicted the kunai's need to be flung back which doesn't occur due to them being destroyed by the explosion.
• By having the prior example of the blade being deflected it confirms what the statement proposed and makes it a consistent ability of the mirror

I'm already aware of everything you've listed; I just have a different interpretation of the result.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I'm already aware of everything you've listed; I just have a different interpretation of the result.

and I explained in the third line why you're "different interpretation" and insinuated contradiction for the ability explanation is incorrect and used line 2 & 4 to make my case more consistent and credible

 

[Damage3245]

and I explained in the third line why you're "different interpretation" and insinuated contradiction for the ability explanation is incorrect and used line 2 & 4 to make my case more consistent and credible

All I'll say is that deflecting attacks doesn't necessarily mean reflecting them back at the user, and I'll drop it there.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

You can say that sure, the issue is Kirin's large destructive range would at least have visual showings of being scattered in other places or propelled backwards and leave itachi standing unscathed instead of lying down all wounded and bloodied on the floor, in my view there's several factors repeatedly contradicting the idea that the mirror was used

 

[KingogKings777]

I'd highly suggest you improve your reading comprehension skills before engaging with me again.

As a Bleach fan I take this as a personal attack against my immutable characteristics. Get back to me when you humble yourself about being able to read.

 

[SlendVeny]

Then again, Sasuke could summon a hawk to

He could what now?

 

[SlendVeny]

he can summon a hawk too? ah.

God ******* damnit stop outspeeding me.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Do you guys think Kakuzu & Hidan should scale to Biju-level too? I think Kakuzu should at least.

Kakuzu at least was able to take a paw strike from BM Yugito.

Yugito is stated to have mastered Biju Mode.

齢二つで"二尾”の"人柱力” に。厭忌の対象とされるも修業の末、自らの意思で "尾獣"化を制御できるほどに成長。 自ら信頼を勝ち得た努力家である。

At the age of two, she became the Jinchūriki of the Two-Tails. Although she was initially shunned and feared, through relentless training, she grew strong enough to control Tailed Beast transformation at will. She is a hard worker who earned trust and respect through her own efforts.

In the Naruto Quiz Book, it is stated Yugito was a peer to Killer B, which is consistent with Killer B exclaiming at Yugito's rodent attack and fleeing from it, it is also consistent with Killer B respecting Yugito as a little sugar on top.

二尾の人柱力二位ユギトはどこの里出身?

From which village does the Two-Tails' Jinchūriki, Yugito Nii, originate?

雲隠れの里

ユギトはビーと双璧を成す、雲隠れの里の人柱力だった。その力は凄まじく、完全な尾獣化にも成功していたのだ。

The Hidden Cloud Village.

Yugito was a Jinchūriki from the Hidden Cloud Village, standing as a peer to Bee. Her power was immense, and she had even succeeded in achieving full tailed beast transformation.

二位ユギト

ふたまたっていう猫が長生きするとバケモノになるイメージからデザインしました。ユギトはお偉いさんでキラービーも一目置いているくノー。

Yugito Nii

Her design was inspired by the concept of the "Nekomata," a mythical creature in Japanese folklore that is said to form when a cat lives long enough to become a monster. Yugito is a highly respected figure, and even Killer Bee holds her in high regard as a formidable kunoichi.

Another thing to note is that Yugito might also be able to use the Bijudama based on the damage we see in the aftermath of her fight with the Immortal Duo.

Note of this is too crazy, because we see Gyuki being somewhat restrained by some random Kumogakure shinobi.

So even the weaker Akatsuki members who are stated to be Biju-level in the DB & also stated to be able to take on a thousand shinobi at once should scale in my opinion.

Another thing to note is that in the Akatsuki novel, Kakuzu and Hidan literally annihilate an entire village of powerful rogue shinobi casually, and I think Kakuzu gets a mountain dropped on him or something? But yeah, I think they're quite underrated & should also scale to Biju-level.

 

[Testarossa002]

I think Kakuzu should at least.

he already does

at least Island level,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kakuzu#cite_note-27">[Statistics Values 2]</a> possibly Small Country level+ with Earth Spear (Earth spear greatly enhances his durability, which makes physical attacks largely ineffective against him.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kakuzu#cite_note-28">[26]</a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kakuzu#cite_note-29">[27]</a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kakuzu#cite_note-30">[28]</a> This includes the likes of Matatabi's paw strike, which he survived with no damage<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kakuzu#cite_note-“RAWDURABILITY”-31">[29]</a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kakuzu#cite_note-32">[Statistics Values 3]</a>)

 

[JohnHendrix212]

Questions regarding peak EMS Sasuke.

Is it canon, or at least implied that Sasuke went from being KCM1 level to BSM level with Sharingan evolution when he got jealous of Naruto's power as explained by Tobirama? How much did BM Naruto's Kyuubi Cloak and Jugo's Sage chakra influence that growth?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

i believe his power did grow from KCM1 and upwards but idk if its because of jealousy or anything

nor do i think theres any in universe reason thats stated for his growth.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

i believe his power did grow from KCM1 and upwards but idk if its because of jealousy or anything

nor do i think theres any in universe reason thats stated for his growth.

Well, Tobirama did say the Sharingan boost triggers with extreme emotions and self-disappointment, which likely triggered when he saw how much Naruto grew.

 

[Gokukid2005]

@Nierre You can publish the profile and I’ll do a crt afterwards
I’m getting my laptop in a few days. There were a bunch of delays with its repairs. I apologise for stalling you so long.

 

[Gokukid2005]

For Naruto, I'd change it so he can always share his thoughts throughout his clones, like 1 single mind operating a thousand clones at the same time.

Naruto can already do this as an adult
Its why he was always so tired at the beginning
He’d have hundreds of clones running around for days on end whilst simultaneously controlling each and every one of them

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Questions regarding peak EMS Sasuke.

Is it canon, or at least implied that Sasuke went from being KCM1 level to BSM level with Sharingan evolution when he got jealous of Naruto's power as explained by Tobirama? How much did BM Naruto's Kyuubi Cloak and Jugo's Sage chakra influence that growth?

The problem is, Sasuke received:

1. Hashirama Chakra
2. Kyuubi Chakra
3. Negative Emotion Amps

So, it’s hard to simply say which had the most effect on him. Personally, I think EMS Sasuke was always > KCM 1 with higher levels of Susanoo and Kagetsuchi.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

The problem is, Sasuke received:

1. Hashirama Chakra
2. Kyuubi Chakra
3. Negative Emotion Amps

So, it’s hard to simply say which had the most effect on him. Personally, I think EMS Sasuke was always > KCM 1 with higher levels of Susanoo and Kagetsuchi.

Doesn't the Kyuubi Cloak disappear after Juubito face-slammed them?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Doesn't the Kyuubi Cloak disappear after Juubito face-slammed them?

It does.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Doesn't the Kyuubi Cloak disappear after Juubito face-slammed them?

He dispatched of the cloak but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have Kyuubi Chakra flowing in him still. Remember, the cloak itself is just excess.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Kakuzu at least was able to take a paw strike from BM Yugito.

In this panel, Matatabi does not hit him. He tries to take Kakuzu under his claw. Kakuzu gets the reaction speed and Lifting Strength feat from here.

Most of the battle was off screen. It is very possible that Kakuzu holds Ls and Hidan defeats him with the ritual. It is already understood that he used the ritual in the panel you shared. We accept this ritual as dura neg.

 

[The_Alxhemist]

Naruto can already do this as an adult
Its why he was always so tired at the beginning
He’d have hundreds of clones running around for days on end whilst simultaneously controlling each and every one of them

I heard about this, apparently in one of Boruto's early novels, but I've never seen the scan.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Pain should scale to boundless

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Why does that matter when the comparison is only about Susano'o in relation to Kirin? Obviously different techniques can be better in different situations depending on the opponent or the specific functionality that the user requires. For example, Chidori is more powerful than the Chidori spear, but that extra range came in handy for Sasuke on numerous occasions. It just depends on the context.

It's not specifically commenting on the situation and saying Susanoo won out against Kirin though, just stating that it's outright superior as a technique.

Chidori is never called a better jutsu holistically afaik

I mean, if the ribcage alone can allow Itachi to survive with very minimal injuries, then I'd say it'd be a pretty fair assumption to think that the fully armored thing would be at that level, especially given that the statement is about the fully manifested Susano'o, no?

Idk if Sasuke would know that he used the Ribcage/Skeletal since Itachi's statement is a bit vague and could be referring to the Susanoo holistically, but

Yeah, you're right about that. I forgot he didn't have the Sharingan active after Kirin.

Ehhh. I mean, even the narrator is clearly just stating Sasuke's thoughts here, which we were not privy to in the first place.

Mayhaps but I don't think it would make a false statement

Fair enough.

Do you guys think Kakuzu & Hidan should scale to Biju-level too? I think Kakuzu should at least.

Kakuzu at least was able to take a paw strike from BM Yugito.

His dura already scales

Yugito is stated to have mastered Biju Mode.

齢二つで"二尾”の"人柱力” に。厭忌の対象とされるも修業の末、自らの意思で "尾獣"化を制御できるほどに成長。 自ら信頼を勝ち得た努力家である。

At the age of two, she became the Jinchūriki of the Two-Tails. Although she was initially shunned and feared, through relentless training, she grew strong enough to control Tailed Beast transformation at will. She is a hard worker who earned trust and respect through her own efforts.

In the Naruto Quiz Book, it is stated Yugito was a peer to Killer B, which is consistent with Killer B exclaiming at Yugito's rodent attack and fleeing from it, it is also consistent with Killer B respecting Yugito as a little sugar on top.

二尾の人柱力二位ユギトはどこの里出身?

From which village does the Two-Tails' Jinchūriki, Yugito Nii, originate?

雲隠れの里

ユギトはビーと双璧を成す、雲隠れの里の人柱力だった。その力は凄まじく、完全な尾獣化にも成功していたのだ。

The Hidden Cloud Village.

Yugito was a Jinchūriki from the Hidden Cloud Village, standing as a peer to Bee. Her power was immense, and she had even succeeded in achieving full tailed beast transformation.

The kanji moreso seems to refer to forming a pair

Considering Base Bee's feats against Sasuke (who's superior to Hidan and probably at least Base Kakuzu), Yuugito being on par with him overall is pretty questionable.

二位ユギト

ふたまたっていう猫が長生きするとバケモノになるイメージからデザインしました。ユギトはお偉いさんでキラービーも一目置いているくノー。

Yugito Nii

Her design was inspired by the concept of the "Nekomata," a mythical creature in Japanese folklore that is said to form when a cat lives long enough to become a monster. Yugito is a highly respected figure, and even Killer Bee holds her in high regard as a formidable kunoichi.

These are pretty weak to say she's comparable to him I'm gonna be honest

Another thing to note is that Yugito might also be able to use the Bijudama based on the damage we see in the aftermath of her fight with the Immortal Duo.

Note of this is too crazy, because we see Gyuki being somewhat restrained by some random Kumogakure shinobi.

So even the weaker Akatsuki members who are stated to be Biju-level in the DB & also stated to be able to take on a thousand shinobi at once should scale in my opinion.

Another thing to note is that in the Akatsuki novel, Kakuzu and Hidan literally annihilate an entire village of powerful rogue shinobi casually, and I think Kakuzu gets a mountain dropped on him or something? But yeah, I think they're quite underrated & should also scale to Biju-level.

Hidan is almost definitely not Bijuu level considering his consistent scaling around Elite Jonin/Borderline Kage level. Kakuzu's AP with ninjutsu is a maybe, especially in his merged form.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

How many active crts do we have running

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I have one

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

and net has one as well


I suppose there's room for one more?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

prolly

 

[Testarossa002]

Naruto is one of the few verses that aren't restricted to 3 CRTs at a time

• Marvel Comics and DC Comics are exempt from this rule to accommodate their continuous flow of large amounts of story material. Thus, they may have a maximum of six active threads open simultaneously. This exception also applies to extremely popular verses like Dragon Ball, to be granted on a case-by-case basis.

It definitely qualifies for "extremely popular"