Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Samlex1234]

No problem I had it saved since 2020
It reminds me of how much "solar system Momoshiki" was pushed for the cause of that dying sun statement looool

This being a possible solar system feat by Momo is not outrageous at all.

“Somewhere on an unidentified world” (shirenu sekai means on the planet in this case)

“Its doomed sun burned red” the star providing sunlight, essential for sustaining life (e.g… through photosynthesis) was dying

“bathing its russet-colored terrain in the brilliant hues of an aurora” Instead of emitting typical sunlight, the dying sun emitted radiation, illuminating the planet with aurora-like light.

“The prize he had seized was the Divine Tree that had grown in these lands... now cruelly cut down and bereft of its fruit.
For no other reason than to "harvest" it, this world, and those who dwelled upon it, had been effortlessly destroyed.”

Analysis
A natural death of the sun (e.g., via stellar evolution) would have taken billions of years. However, the planet was vibrant and good before Momoshiki destroyed it which would have been impossible as advanced civilization or photosynthesis can not persist on the planet If the sun was dying naturally, in fact they should have died at least millions of years before the sun reached a red giant phase.
The logical conclusion, the event was unnatural and likely caused by Momoshiki.

 

[Iabihs]

This being a possible solar system feat by Momo is not outrageous at all.

“Somewhere on an unidentified world” (shirenu sekai means on the planet in this case)

“Its doomed sun burned red” the star providing sunlight, essential for sustaining life (e.g… through photosynthesis) was dying

“bathing its russet-colored terrain in the brilliant hues of an aurora” Instead of emitting typical sunlight, the dying sun emitted radiation, illuminating the planet with aurora-like light.

“The prize he had seized was the Divine Tree that had grown in these lands... now cruelly cut down and bereft of its fruit.
For no other reason than to "harvest" it, this world, and those who dwelled upon it, had been effortlessly destroyed.”

Analysis
A natural death of the sun (e.g., via stellar evolution) would have taken billions of years. However, the planet was vibrant and good before Momoshiki destroyed it which would have been impossible as advanced civilization or photosynthesis can not persist on the planet If the sun was dying naturally, in fact they should have died at least millions of years before the sun reached a red giant phase.
The logical conclusion, the event was unnatural and likely caused by Momoshiki.

i think there was like a dwarf star level calc for this, i wish it wasnt so vague tho

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The logical conclusion, the event was unnatural and likely caused by Momoshiki.

Granting that Momoshiki was the cause (I haven't read the novel, nor have I read the scans in a long ass while), why would this scale to any of his attacks? All you would get from this is some level of environmental destruction (4-B overtime or whatever, tmk the star didn't go supernova immediately if it all, it was just stated to be near the end of its life).

 

[Iabihs]

Granting that Momoshiki was the cause (I haven't read the novel, nor have I read the scans in a long ass while), why would this scale to any of his attacks? All you would get from this is some level of environmental destruction (4-B overtime or whatever, tmk the star didn't go supernova immediately if it all, it was just stated to be near the end of its life).

yeah this too, for all we know he did it over 1 million seconds and would scale to only like 1/millionth of it physically . Maybe it would scale to the lava golem???

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Granting that Momoshiki was the cause (I haven't read the novel, nor have I read the scans in a long ass while), why would this scale to any of his attacks? All you would get from this is some level of environmental destruction (4-B overtime or whatever, tmk the star didn't go supernova immediately if it all, it was just stated to be near the end of its life).

4B? You're assuming the dimension is getting destroyed?

 

[Iabihs]

4B? You're assuming the dimension is getting destroyed?

No? Just the star , sometimes it can end up at 4-B, although i think solar here is 30 Foe, so a supernova being 1 Foe would be large star or High-4-C

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

4B? You're assuming the dimension is getting destroyed?

Naw core collapse supernova produce 4-B energy.

 

[KingogKings777]

I'm just getting over my cold and another health issue and already see a Tier 2 Shibai attempt... Excuse me while I lay back down, get more rest and contemplate how to remove him from the wiki.

Simple just delete Boruto verse and keep Naruto verse.

 

[Nierre]

 

[Iabihs]

Simple just delete Boruto verse and keep Naruto verse.

Delete All Verses except for Dragonball

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Simple just delete Boruto verse and keep Naruto verse.

no
delete naruto, bleach and one piece and keep boruto

the whole wiki's mental health will improve drastically


edit : add db to spite labihs

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Bro woke up today and chose violence

 

[Iabihs]

no
delete naruto, bleach and one piece and keep boruto

the whole wiki's mental health will improve drastically


edit : add db to spite labihs

lowkey, Borutos powerscaling is so linear and simple, It would save people from headaches of having to update 30 profiles whenever a TBB gets recalced

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

and they require significantly less mental gymnastics than hst shenanigans


"oh you want 4D beings? here you go he's straight up higher dimensional, no hyperboles no bs no inconsistency"

 

[Nierre]

lowkey, Borutos powerscaling is so linear and simple, It would save people from headaches of having to update 30 profiles whenever a TBB gets recalced

it's only "simple" because Boruto not only doesn't have many feats (so for the most part they scale off of Naruto characters), but also their cast is like 1/10th the size lol

 

[Iabihs]

it's only "simple" because Boruto not only doesn't have many feats (so for the most part they scale off of Naruto characters), but also their cast is like 1/10th the size lol

i mean the power scaling in general is just newer villian > Older villian , with like one exception....

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

it's only "simple" because Boruto not only doesn't have many feats (so for the most part they scale off of Naruto characters), but also their cast is like 1/10th the size lol

because it is a sequel with establish narratives that it goes off of
if boruto started out as its own thing with no prequels it would have far more feats

 

[Iabihs]

because it is a sequel with establish narratives that it goes off of
if boruto started out as its own thing with no prequels it would have far more feats

yeah, i think ikemoto confirmed that for part 1 kishimoto and all that said no more big booms.

I mean, as soon as part 2 started we got rasengan uzuhiko

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

because it is a sequel with establish narratives that it goes off of
if boruto started out as its own thing with no prequels it would have far more feats

heck if boruto as its own new series, it would have bigger booms than naruto did, Ikemoto would be on some toriyama level sh*t with them nuking large chunks of the planet

 

[KingogKings777]

Gonna be honest that sounds like cope with what we've seen Ikemoto drawn so far.

 

[KingogKings777]

because it is a sequel with establish narratives that it goes off of
if boruto started out as its own thing with no prequels it would have far more feats

Tbh I feel like there would be a lot fewer feats since there might have been a good chance of it getting the Red Hood treatment. Since without Naruto there's no reason to have read Boruto.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Tbh I feel like there would be a lot fewer feats since there might have been a good chance of it getting the Red Hood treatment. Since without Naruto there's no reason to have read Boruto.

Huh

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Are there accepted country sizes for Naruto?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

yes and no


we have konoha to suna distance and can use that to plot out individual country sizes

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Any accepted calcs regarding that?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Well Konoha and Suna stuff is accepted
i tried using that to gauge individual country diameters and it came in the 2~3K km diameter ranges
Stryker saw that calc and kinda agreed with it

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Well that's low

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

what were you hoping for?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I missed the K

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

bro thought we had city block sized countries

 

[SlendVeny]

I missed the K

The funny thing is, missing either K produces the same value.

 

[Iabihs]

Maybe planet calc for 2 months to travel around it and then get a planet size from there?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

If calc stacking was allowed we’d have 3B Konoha

 

[Testarossa002]

So this thread got accepted
Moving forward, if you're planning a character overhaul, the default intelligence rating for ninjas, as long as they don't have anything better is now At least Gifted.
Cc @MadaraZKX

Now, i need help with applying it to the profiles for all ninjas in the verse. Those with Genius and Extraordinary Genius don't need to be updated. Those with Gifted can have it added as supporting evidence. Everyone below that gets the new rating.
To help (if you're inexperienced), follow this steps:
1. Look at the verse page for ninjas (i stopped at Anko and there are 60+ characters left) that fit the above criteria
2. Open source editing and head to the intelligence section.
3. Copy and paste this: At least '''Gifted''' (Ninjas, by default, have exceptional and well rounded scientific knowledge<ref>Shinobi Hiden Column 7: Science</ref>)
4. At the bottom of the page, you'll see a text box asking you to describe what you changed. Just copy and paste the aforementioned thread
5. Save your changes

Don't bother with locked pages. If it's locked, they most likely scale higher than the new ratings anyways.
If you have any issues, you can contact me on my wall.
Thank you for your expected cooperation

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Are there accepted country sizes for Naruto?

Konoha has an accepted size of ~124 km in diameter and there's a ~20 km diameter forest outside it, so assuming Konoha is in one country, it's big enough to house something 144 km across.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This statement is kind of insane using 2K km wide countries, since contextually it'd be referring to the Juubi vaporizing a country with one Bijuudama. And Pain was actually surprised at how strong 50% Kurama was and that he was able to break out of CT despite Kurama naturally being a large part of the Bijuu's added power, so you could perhaps even say Chibaku Tensei/50% Kurama scale to a good portion of this potential feat, which seems to be High 6-A from some rudimentary calcs I did.

Konoha has an accepted size of ~124 km in diameter and there's a ~20 km diameter forest outside it, so assuming Konoha is in one country, it's big enough to house something 144 km across.

And using this it'd be marginally above that High 6-B+ calc you did so still pretty good lol

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

This statement is kind of insane using 2K km wide countries, since contextually it'd be referring to the Juubi vaporizing a country with one Bijuudama. And Pain was actually surprised at how strong 50% Kurama was and that he was able to break out of CT despite Kurama naturally being a large part of the Bijuu's added power, so you could perhaps even say Chibaku Tensei/50% Kurama scale to a good portion of this potential feat, which seems to be High 6-A from some rudimentary calcs I did.

And using this it'd be marginally above that High 6-B+ calc you did so still pretty good lol

I know about this lol
I even calced how powerful TBBs need to be to nuke a single one and it gave borderline 5C values consistently

Only issue is pain is talking about ten tails with Kurama and Gyuki in it
don’t think him being surprised proves otherwise since he’d know by lore reasons what the power of the Juubi was rather than individual bijuu tiering


With Konoha radius you get like baseline H6A but we need a statement of some bijuu nuking Konoha

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

One may even be able to goon using the wank statements previously used for ten tails

Like calling him a god and mentioning how he reshaped lands to glaze the Juubi and ensure the characters take him seriously (like if he didn’t scale to that version of himself why would you gauge his current threat level using old feats, the only possible explanation is that this Juubi likely has the same tiering as the prime one)

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I know about this lol
I even calced how powerful TBBs need to be to nuke a single one and it gave borderline 5C values consistently

Only issue is pain is talking about ten tails with Kurama and Gyuki in it
don’t think him being surprised proves otherwise since he’d know by lore reasons what the power of the Juubi was rather than individual bijuu tiering

Hmmmm perhaps, although the known lore seems to be that the Juubi's power was linearly split into 9 pieces, and even Kurama seemed to think this

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Hmmmm perhaps, although the known lore seems to be that the Juubi's power was linearly split into 9 pieces, and even Kurama seemed to think this

You can be split up without each bijuu having equal chakra

Chakra = Power
We know Kurama is stronger than a lot of them combined so that doesn’t work


The last scan straight up sh*ts on the whole attempt, he thinks it’s easier to beat this version than that one and he also thinks he and Gyuki have the most chakra
So tough luck