Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Arc7Kuroi]

If you think about it, you got Kakashi right who is like nigh Bijuu to Bijuu level at his peak (in Naruto, not counting like DMS and Boruto era) and he starts the series a bit rusty right. So you have this sub Bijuu character dust off the rust to get to Bijuu level, and then as the series progresses more and more Bijuu level characters (like the Akatsuki and Sannin and different Kage) get introduced, until we make it to the war arc where nearly every relevant character is at least Bijuu level. Then you start to push beyond Bijuu level with your peak Akatsuki level peeps like Itachi and Nagato and start to bridge to Incomplete Juubi level with characters like Madara and Hashirama. Then the Juubi acts as a slope of progression by having numerous forms that get stronger and stronger, until we reach Juubito. And Juubito as well as Juubidara serve to slope and bridge to Six Paths level as they get progressively stronger, until we surpass that with Kaguya. I wouldn’t say there’s ever any cliff moments like in DBZ where characters get stronger out of necessity for the plot, there’s always a logical explanation and path of progression with Naruto.

 

[Gokukid2005]

I agree with you on that
I think Naruto clearly has its power level stated and followed the entire time
People only say that it doesn’t because they hate the final arc for mostly asinine reasons (anime filler and Kaguya) and try to drag the entire work down

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

It’s honestly a mark of good writing on Kishimoto that he can write such a massive series with such high consistency and logical flow to the powerscaling, doubly so when you consider how he ties power dynamics in with characterization and themes

 

[Gokukid2005]

When the power of love and friendship is part of the power system >>>>>

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Well let’s be careful, don’t want to get a Fairy Tail

 

[SlendVeny]

Don't underestimate the power of speedcliffing

Toddler Gaara's Sand Shield was Chunin level.

Gets blitzed before doing any of that

Mizuki is NOT targeting Tenten first, lol.

Sure, but I have him slower than Base Lee, so you can imagine why I don't think his Gentle Fist is gonna have any practical benefits against someone of Mizuki's caliber

Even if he was, the Byakugan allows you to react to significantly faster opponents, and he can do a little twirl to block.

 

[SlendVeny]

If you think about it, you got Kakashi right who is like nigh Bijuu to Bijuu level at his peak (in Naruto, not counting like DMS and Boruto era) and he starts the series a bit rusty right. So you have this sub Bijuu character dust off the rust to get to Bijuu level, and then as the series progresses more and more Bijuu level characters (like the Akatsuki and Sannin and different Kage) get introduced, until we make it to the war arc where nearly every relevant character is at least Bijuu level. Then you start to push beyond Bijuu level with your peak Akatsuki level peeps like Itachi and Nagato and start to bridge to Incomplete Juubi level with characters like Madara and Hashirama. Then the Juubi acts as a slope of progression by having numerous forms that get stronger and stronger, until we reach Juubito. And Juubito as well as Juubidara serve to slope and bridge to Six Paths level as they get progressively stronger, until we surpass that with Kaguya. I wouldn’t say there’s ever any cliff moments like in DBZ where characters get stronger out of necessity for the plot, there’s always a logical explanation and path of progression with Naruto.

My boy Kakashi wasn't Bijuu level just because he wasn't rusty, man had to work hard to get that strong.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

My boy Kakashi wasn't Bijuu level just because he wasn't rusty, man had to work hard to get that strong.

He quite literally was rusty at the start of the series… his training in part 1 was to dust off the rust. He worked hard yeah, before the story took place

 

[SlendVeny]

He quite literally was rusty at the start of the series… his training in part 1 was to dust off the rust. He worked hard yeah, before the story took place

Yeah, but I don't think he was Bijuu level until the 5 Kage Summit or War Arc, and I don't think he was rusty at the start of Part 2.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah, but I don't think he was Bijuu level until the 5 Kage Summit or War Arc.

He’s NIGH Bijuu level then, he’s fighting Akatsuki members

What you think isn’t relevant here /s

 

[SlendVeny]

He’s NIGH Bijuu level then, he’s fighting Akatsuki members

What you think isn’t relevant here /s

I'd agree, but wasn't Kakuzu eating his ass?

 

[SlendVeny]

That wasn't a typo.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I'd agree, but wasn't Kakuzu eating his ass?

Not enough where Kakashi isn’t relative. Frankly Kakashi performed rather well and was able to intercept and cancel out Kakuzu’s False Darkness Lightning jutsu with a Lightning jutsu of his own sooooo

 

[SlendVeny]

Not enough where Kakashi isn’t relative. Frankly Kakashi performed rather well and was able to intercept and cancel out Kakuzu’s False Darkness Lightning jutsu with a Lightning jutsu of his own sooooo

Hmm... I'd say his top jutsu are definitely approaching Bijuu level, or even on it, and he's close, especially considering his performance in the Pain Arc.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Hmm... I'd say his top jutsu are definitely approaching Bijuu level, or even on it, and he's close, especially considering his performance in the Pain Arc.

Idk how much I’d say chidori/raikiri is the peak peak of his jutsu but I’ll take it

 

[SlendVeny]

Can Gaara's auto-sand work in the New Era if paralyzed by Shikamaru's jutsu?

 

[SlendVeny]

Can Gaara's auto-sand work in the New Era if paralyzed by Shikamaru's jutsu?

Also, what's up with him only being down for like half a chapter when he got hair-gripped, then struck in the ribs, by Fused Momoshiki? I mean, Kurotsuchi's gripping her arm, Darui's limping, and Chojuro can't even carry his sword, but Gaara's kinda standing there, carrying his gourd, and barely scuffed-up. I don't even think he had Sand Armor(if he did, and it didn't crack...)

I mean, I get that all of them fought more than he did, but he doesn't look very Tier 8 to me.

He also gets more focus than the others, so the writer clearly likes him more

 

[Nierre]

tbh i wonder if he even has his Sand Armor anymore

 

[SlendVeny]

tbh i wonder if he even has his Sand Armor anymore

I don't think he does, and if he does, it's Tier 5 for not cracking.

 

[Godernet]

IMO the high and top tiers would progress something like this,

Elite Jounin ~< Low End Akatsuki < High End Akatsuki ~ Kage ~ Bijuu < Juubi/Six Paths Tier

With the biggest gap being between the Bijuu and the Juubi tiers since theyre at least as strong as the combined power of all Bijuu’s.

It makes sense with many of the Elite Jounin or people relative to them being capable of at least holding their own against Akatsuki members (Asuma, Kakashi, Guy, Darui, Beginning of Shippuden Nard and Sakura, etc)

The gap between your Hidans and your Itachis is self-evident but the biggest separation is usually hax, still those higher end Akatsuki members having various examples of matching Bijuu or Kage level fighters.

The gap between the average Bijuu and Kurama is also self evident, with Kurama demonstrating low end relativity to the weaker Juubi forms with only half his power. With people like Madara, Hashirama, and Juubito floating around that > all the Bijuu tier as well.

With Juubito begins a long chain of < till you get to Kaguya but we do know most of the Six Paths characters are capable of fighting each other until we get to Sasuke taking his perfect Susanoo and stuffing all of every Bijuus chakra into it and Naruto absorbs metric tons of nature energy to match him.

There are ofc gaps here and there but outside of the gaps between Jounin to Kage and the gap between Bijuu to Juubi tiers, everyone can kinda do alright against each other in adjacent tiers stat wise.

Some characters have such great hax that add it to the stat advantage they do have leaves the weaker character with 0 options to compete which is why Itachi looks like the Grim Reaper against pm everyone in his tier stat wise

 

[MinatoSparkle]

If you think about it, you got Kakashi right who is like nigh Bijuu to Bijuu level at his peak (in Naruto, not counting like DMS and Boruto era) and he starts the series a bit rusty right. So you have this sub Bijuu character dust off the rust to get to Bijuu level, and then as the series progresses more and more Bijuu level characters (like the Akatsuki and Sannin and different Kage) get introduced, until we make it to the war arc where nearly every relevant character is at least Bijuu level. Then you start to push beyond Bijuu level with your peak Akatsuki level peeps like Itachi and Nagato and start to bridge to Incomplete Juubi level with characters like Madara and Hashirama. Then the Juubi acts as a slope of progression by having numerous forms that get stronger and stronger, until we reach Juubito. And Juubito as well as Juubidara serve to slope and bridge to Six Paths level as they get progressively stronger, until we surpass that with Kaguya. I wouldn’t say there’s ever any cliff moments like in DBZ where characters get stronger out of necessity for the plot, there’s always a logical explanation and path of progression with Naruto.

I thought you meant in terms of there not being big stat differences in general, not progressively throughout the series. In that case I'd kinda agree, but there are definitely still big power spikes at some points

Toddler Gaara's Sand Shield was Chunin level.

Got outsped by Base Lee and Sasuke

Mizuki is NOT targeting Tenten first, lol.

Eh I could see him lowkey just bulldozing through all of them at once

Even if he was, the Byakugan allows you to react to significantly faster opponents, and he can do a little twirl to block.

Seemingly not people as fast as 3rd Gate Lee

 

[SlendVeny]

Got outsped by Base Lee and Sasuke

I don't think the difference between them and Iruka/Mizuki is huge, considering Neji was stated to be Chunin level during the Exams iirc, and SCALING CHAIN.

 

[Testarossa002]

Did Mizuki get a spinoff manga or something?
He loses badly to BoS Gaara
He's a Chunin. And even though that's not a definitive strength metric, he has 0 showings/statements that make him particularly noteworthy iirc.
Nothing sets him apart from those Demon Brothers (who are chunin also) who were getting packed by Chapter 3 Sasuke
Forget Gaara, he gets packed by Temari (i'm only half serious here)

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I don't think the difference between them and Iruka/Mizuki is huge, considering Neji was stated to be Chunin level during the Exams iirc, and SCALING CHAIN.

It's implied that Iruka could easily be a jonin, but hides his abilities to remain a teacher; plus he's just directly stated to be a particularly skilled chunin.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Late Christmas present https://vsbattles.com/threads/war-arc-base-sage-mode-naruto-upgrade.175728/

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Yeah this makes it even less convincing
チィ!天井に･･･!
Chi! The ceiling...!

not really sure what you mean by this, this is exactly how it is in english, the events happen in sequential order and sasuke notices kabuto on the ceiling after he vanishes from his perception

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Still, who in the series jumps dozens of meters to avoid a small AoE attack

these people jump several dozens of so meters into the air for Kunai attacks wdym lol

 

[MinatoSparkle]

not really sure what you mean by this, this is exactly how it is in english, the events happen in sequential order and sasuke notices kabuto on the ceiling after he vanishes from his perception

"What?" Could imply surprise, while "Chi!" Is more just irritation.

these people jump several dozens of so meters into the air for Kunai attacks wdym lol

Do they really

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

"What?" Could imply surprise, while "Chi!" Is more just irritation.

チィ! isnt solely irritation it can be used interchangeably between surprise,shock, ,annoyance ect, based on the context, we have the context.

the チィ is followed by an exclamation and a ellipsis for when he notices kabuto on the ceiling, Ellipsis are used for trailing thoughts and abrupt realizations, often accompanied by shock (which is what the ! and the チィ is for.) this is also why the correct English translation would be what!? in this context.

the language would be

SHOCKED!? > Realization his on the ceiling as oppose to

Frustration> knowing his on the ceiling

 

[MinatoSparkle]

チィ! isnt solely irritation it can be used interchangeably between surprise,shock, ,annoyance ect, based on the context, we have the context.

the チィ is followed by an exclamation and a ellipsis for when he notices kabuto on the ceiling, Ellipsis are used for trailing thoughts and abrupt realizations, often accompanied by shock (which is what the ! and the チィ is for.) this is also why the correct English translation would be what!? in this context.

the language would be

SHOCKED!? > Realization his on the ceiling as oppose to

Frustration> knowing his on the ceiling

This still aligns with my interpretation. "Chi!" for annoyance at him dodging and "The ceiling...!" For surprise at where he is

 

[SlendVeny]

It's implied that Iruka could easily be a jonin, but hides his abilities to remain a teacher; plus he's just directly stated to be a particularly skilled chunin.

My, my, my...

 

[MinatoSparkle]

My, my, my...

Cold villain ahh response

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

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congrats on being a mod nierre!
deserved

 

[Deceived3596]

Thread 'Shibai Ōtsutsuki Profile Creation'

Dec 26, 2024

I hate Naruto and everything related to it.

So yeah, after several months of working on this profile, I decided to stop being lazy and actually complete it before the year was officially over. Here is the profile.

I don't have much to say except for the fact I'm glad I finally completed it after promising people that I would for so long.

Voting:

Agree - @UchihaSlayer96, @LordGriffin1000, @Nierre, @LordTracer

Disagree -

Neutral -

• Deceived3596

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[BlastX]

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

What I moreso mean is that they have a lot of scaling chains you can link fairly close to each other and that they're pretty comparable as overall combatants considering that

I mean, yeah, just cause I have MadaHashi above NaruSasu doesn't mean I think the stat gap is big or anything. They're more or less on the same playing field, I just have MadaHashi confidently winning is all. But it's not some Vegito vs Buu type deal or anything lol.

This shit is stupidly OP.

Hagoromo already sort of embodies this concept, more or less, and he's definitely nowhere near the strongest character ever lmao.

I think PS EMS Sasuke~BSM Naruto

I'd be inclined to agree if Juugo wasn't in that Avatar lol. He's def = to peak Kurama Mode Naruto at the very least tho.

Anyway tho, I'm definitely a believer in Sasuke awakening the PS in that moment.

Does Obito removing a portion of the Jubi from himself to make the Shinju also count in nerfing himself?

Possibly. I guess given that Madara received a boost from it later on, that indicates that Obito removed a significant portion of his chakra in that moment.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

 

[KingogKings777]

Peak fiction.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I mean, yeah, just cause I have MadaHashi above NaruSasu doesn't mean I think the stat gap is big or anything. They're more or less on the same playing field, I just have MadaHashi confidently winning is all. But it's not some Vegito vs Buu type deal or anything lol.

You said BSM Naruto's comparable to Hashirama

Hagoromo already sort of embodies this concept, more or less, and he's definitely nowhere near the strongest character ever lmao.

I'd be inclined to agree if Juugo wasn't in that Avatar lol. He's def = to peak Kurama Mode Naruto at the very least tho.

I mean Jugo's curse mark isn't shown around the Susanoo after Juubito destroys the Senjutsu Susanoo and Sasuke changes it to a Perfect one, so I'm not sure he was being amped then

Anyway tho, I'm definitely a believer in Sasuke awakening the PS in that moment.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

You said BSM Naruto's comparable to Hashirama

Huh?

Yes, he does lol.

I mean Jugo's curse mark isn't shown around the Susanoo after Juubito destroys the Senjutsu Susanoo and Sasuke changes it to a Perfect one, so I'm not sure he was being amped then

Probably an artistic choice by Kishimoto, otherwise why would Juugo still be there? And furthermore why would Naruto/Sasuke just let go of an extra power source against an opponent like Juubito?
Could just be that since the target/medium is no longer just the Susano'o, but rather the MAS as a whole which becomes a single chakra entity essentially, Juugo's Senjutsu chakra just got assimilated into Naruto's.

It's just a game of likelihoods. The mere fact that Juugo was within that avatar means one can't claim with certainty that he didn't offer that amp, and so I feel the safer assumption is to say he did.