Menma > Hashirama, he was just missing half the Black Kyuubi during the movie.
What's the most accepted size of the OP world on here again? Like, how many times the size of rl Earth?
it's accepted to be a small star on vsbw lmao, I personally have it more as like 5-A
That's kinda crazy
Hashirama>Kurama, not >>>
BSM is understandable considering his feats against Juubito. Hashirama shoves KCM2 Naruto in a locker thoughI’ll never understand people’s willingness to believe Naruto surpassed Hashirama with Biju Mode, nvm BSM in the War Arc…
It really depends on how much you want to suspend your disbelief of physics breaking realities in fiction. On one hand, it's like yeah, it's fiction it's obviously fine; on the other hand, it's like well we have to draw the line somewhere since we use physics to quantify fiction, so at what point are you just cherry picking what is allowed to be ignored.That's kinda crazy
5-A is definitely better, and someone in Reddit calced it as 2.5 times the size of Earth. Not saying this is more accurate than KT's though.
He's not.
Having BASE Hashirama this far above Juubito is nasty work ngl
I think the confusion stems from a misunderstanding of Naruto and Sasuke's feats against Juubito. They did NOT fight a Juubito who was really trying, nor was he in a good mental state in the slightest.
I mean either way he was in a worse state prior to physically stabilizing
he better
Not at first, he wasn't. The Juubito who Hashirama admitted inferiority to is not the same as the one who was nuking himself and being ripped apart lol.
its all wrong, EMS Madara is not >>> that sasuke either, the fact that Sasuke can even penetrate this madara proves that, and the argument people wanna use that madara was was nerfing his durability by a ridiculous degree so that he could intentionally get hit by sasuke as a roundabout way to stop him is so ridiculously stupid and a prime example of powerscaling brainrot, Madara using sasuke's sword against him is a tactical choice that serves both as a creative solution and a mark of Madara's character but a solution that doesnt need to happen if his apparently >>>
Where are you getting this number?
The hokages were revived with powers close to their alive selves
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Does Obito removing a portion of the Jubi from himself to make the Shinju also count in nerfing himself?
Any version of Unstable Juubito is him in a mindless state with no sense of self. He clearly got better control of his powers when he stabilized even if he was mentally nerfed. 100% Juubito>Mentally nerfed Stable Juubito>Unstable Juubito>Hashirama
There are also avenues to put Naruto above too, like using BSM>>KCM2~>Madara~Hashirama in speed and arguing Hashirama's firepower doesn't matter if he can't hit Naruto or consistently block his attacks. I still have Hashirama above, but it's not a one sided debate.
Even if I conceded to that scaling chain, I don't see what it changes given that stable Juubito (mentally nerfed or otherwise) is still >> Naruto. And he has no relevant scaling to or above stable Juubito.
I mean, Naruto has only shown significant superiority to Madara with Shunshin, which is fine. Having one move that makes him a lot faster isn't the end all be all.
Well, I never said it was impossible to argue for it, but what's more likely/consistent? It's possible to argue for a lot of things, including Juubito ~ Hagoromo (not saying this is as ridiculous as that, just saying), but that doesn't make it the best possible take.
That's fine
He was also generally having no issues keeping up with Rinnegan Obito who's shown to be comparable to Edo Madara.
Surr, just saying speed is a notable advantage BSM Naruto has
What I moreso mean is that they have a lot of scaling chains you can link fairly close to each other and that they're pretty comparable as overall combatants considering that
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No because the initial KCM2 is weaker than the one later on when the Jūbi is active.
I mean actually mastered KCM2 happens before BOTTTJ anyways, which is his second WA key. Also his Base/SM/KCM get stronger after Kurama's cooperation so that's a big reason having a post-Kurama coop key would be good.
I mean it’s just subjective,
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