Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Shadowbokunohero]

Iirc, isn’t only stated their “chakra”, not presence?

 

[Testarossa002]

Is this an AP/Speed based scaling or a holistic scaling (all their arsenal)?

 

[Foriaa]

Eida says she isn't capable of seeing them with her Senringan when they erase their signatures, so it likely also remove's their presence.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

definitely a mental amp

or more likely an outlier.

Considering how many examples there are, I doubt it

If Sakura was that fast at EoS then her base Blank period self would definitely upscale, which would end up creating a whole big pile of circular scaling.

Like?

Is this an AP/Speed based scaling or a holistic scaling (all their arsenal)?

Holistic

 

[Kaydee1648]

Like

the accepted multipliers

 

[Foriaa]

Solid list, just need to some clarification on the Shisui placement.

 

[GTsek]

The streets are saying that the Boruto anime will get a complete remake, without "fillers", with better animation and seasonal... I hope it is confirmed.

 

[Testarossa002]

Holistic

Sakura > Hagoromo makes less sense then
Hagoromo has regeneration, flight and TSOs
The speed gap isn't exactly wide and Sakura is very limited
She gets killed by anything between a chibaku tensei and TSO

 

[LordTracer]

My brother in Christ, I love Sakura more than most people, but she is not winning a fight against Hagoromo

 

[Damage3245]

My brother in Christ, I love Sakura more than most people, but she is not winning a fight against Hagoromo

Yeah, Sakura needs to be bumped down to Demi-God Tier.

 

[KingogKings777]

The streets are saying that the Boruto anime will get a complete remake, without "fillers", with better animation and seasonal... I hope it is confirmed.

God no please no. I don't want to have to deal with what's canon and not anymore damn it.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

The streets are saying that the Boruto anime will get a complete remake, without "fillers", with better animation and seasonal... I hope it is confirmed.

thats not happening

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Eida says she isn't capable of seeing them with her Senringan when they erase their signatures, so it likely also remove's their presence.

Wrong. Eida says she can’t see Kawaki when he’s shrunk.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Yeah, so it has no bearings in Kurama’s Emotion Sensing, which is not connected to Chakra Sensing.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Guys, Sakura punching Kaguya is an outlier. She’s nowhere near their level. It was a PIS showing to defeat her. Nothing more.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

the accepted multipliers

I don't see how those contradict anything? Afaik, none of the stuff in that Kido fight scales to EoS Sakura since Sakura was nerfed

Solid list, just need to some clarification on the Shisui placement.

Thanks, it's pretty much just MS Shisui>>3T Shisui~Danzo~MS Sasuke in terms of physicals, and Kotoamatsukami being very strong (could argue he's higher just because of that but meh, WA SM Naruto knows about it and can sense the genjutsu coming to dodge it)

Sakura > Hagoromo makes less sense then
Hagoromo has regeneration, flight and TSOs
The speed gap isn't exactly wide and Sakura is very limited
She gets killed by anything between a chibaku tensei and TSO

It's not necessarily that I think Sakura would win in a fight, but she's a stronger general combatant and would perform better against stronger people like Naruto and Sasuke. Also I do think the speed gap is wide and that Hagoromo's offensive moves aren't gonna have much luck hitting/killing her (TSOs could do the latter but idt he'll tag her with them). Either Sakura wins using some medical ninjutsu hax or Hagoromo outlasts her Baryon Mode Naruto vs Isshiki style

My brother in Christ, I love Sakura more than most people, but she is not winning a fight against Hagoromo

^

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Guys, Sakura punching Kaguya is an outlier. She’s nowhere near their level. It was a PIS showing to defeat her. Nothing more.

• while partially paralyzed by Madara's rod, she punched faster than Naruto or Sasuke could reach her from a relatively short distance (also Sasuke might've been Chidori amped making it much more impressive, but it's unclear if that applies to the Chidori katana)
  • you can also argue something from the fact that she dashed to Madara before Naruto or Sasuke could stop her, but there are different ways you could interpret that
• provided more chakra to Obito than a SPSM Naruto clone could've
• reacted to Sasuke's running (probably Shunshin given the urgent situation?) speed and acted during it
• also withstood the heavy gravity dimension
• reacted to and temporarily avoided Kaguya's chakra arm, which is super fast in comparison to Naruto and Sasuke
• yes, the infamous moment where she tagged a hugely amped IT Kaguya flying fast enough to easily outspeed SPSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke and damaged her

 

[Kaydee1648]

I don't see how those contradict anything? Afaik, none of the stuff in that Kido fight scales to EoS Sakura since Sakura was nerfed

Eos base Sakura < blank period base sakura < Byakugo Sakura ~ Kido ~ new era Kakashi < Koji ~ 10% base Jigen << Base jigen ~ base Naruto < Momoshiki >/~ Kaguya

If Sakura is apparently close to IT Kaguya speed who is exponentially above base Kaguya per BZ statement, then the entire narrative won’t make sense.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Guys, Sakura punching Kaguya is an outlier. She’s nowhere near their level. It was a PIS showing to defeat her. Nothing more.

why not shove it under the empowerment key? that's more consistent than calling major feats outlier

 

[LordTracer]

Guys, Sakura punching Kaguya is an outlier. She’s nowhere near their level. It was a PIS showing to defeat her. Nothing more.

Eh, emotion amps are a thing in Naruto and can be used to justify that feat. But normally, I agree, she’s nowhere near that level.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Eos base Sakura < blank period base sakura < Byakugo Sakura ~ Kido ~ new era Kakashi < Koji ~ 10% base Jigen << Base jigen ~ base Naruto < Momoshiki >/~ Kaguya

If Sakura is apparently close to IT Kaguya speed who is exponentially above base Kaguya per BZ statement, then the entire narrative won’t make sense.

1. Was Sakura not still nerfed when she used Byakugo against Kido?
2. Base Jigen is far above Base Naruto
3. I'd argue Base Momoshiki>IT Kaguya
4. Sakura is not "close" to IT Kaguya necessarily given the distance, just not completely speed cliffed

Eh, emotion amps are a thing in Naruto and can be used to justify that feat. But normally, I agree, she’s nowhere near that level.

You can consider that placement of her only in an elevated mental state idm, I'm just saying Sakura in the Kaguya fight is that tier

 

[Nierre]

how many active crts are there currently

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

how many active crts are there currently

the 5B movement one is probs the only one, Sage's one concluded a while ago

that and Sparkle's one if you wanna even consider it active lol

 

[karo_senpaii]

the 5B movement one is probs the only one, Sage's one concluded a while ago

that and Sparkle's one if you wanna even consider it active lol

Most of sparkle's CRT are discussion threads

 

[Nierre]

Sparkle's one if you wanna even consider it active lol

lol.

Anyway here's another

 

[Kayzz]

When they give the backstory of uzuhiko, I hope they give more info on the origin of nature energy.

 

[Kaydee1648]

Was Sakura not still nerfed when she used Byakugo against Kido?

well, it should have reverted all her nerfs similar to Tsunade’s case, and still be higher than her regular base

Base Jigen is far above Base Naruto

Idk, he hasn’t really shown any form of supremacy to base naruto. base nard took a kick from base jigen and was perfectly fine after.

how many active crts are there currently

drop the thread

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

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[MinatoSparkle]

Ykw I think maybe I did downplay Hagoromo a little and I checked the Pre-God Tree Juubidara<~Hagoromo statement and it only actually says closer not close, so him being 2E Juubidara level via that true power of the Six Paths statement is fine
インドラの転生者を終えた今は十尾の力を得てワシに近づき
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well, it should have reverted all her nerfs similar to Tsunade’s case, and still be higher than her regular base

Seems a bit presumptuous

Idk, he hasn’t really shown any form of supremacy to base naruto. base nard took a kick from base jigen and was perfectly fine after.

He literally kicked and stabbed him with rods without Naruto reacting

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

can i get the link

 

[MinatoSparkle]

can i get the link

https://tiermaker.com/categories/manga/naruto-shippuden-16718190

 

[Kaydee1648]

He literally kicked and stabbed him with rods without Naruto reacting

the rods are significantly above his normal stats

 

[Nierre]

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is this in order? im surprised you have shisui that high, then again i have no idea about shisui's lore. do you have him beating everyone within the tier below him?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

the rods are significantly above his normal stats

Sure, the kick still applies

 

[Kaydee1648]

Sure, the kick still applies

the kick doesn’t justify for “far higher”
it was a counterattack even

 

[MinatoSparkle]

is this in order?

Roughly, though some placements are adjustable

im surprised you have shisui that high, then again i have no idea about shisui's lore.

MS Shisui>>3T Shisui~Danzo~MS Sasuke

do you have him beating everyone within the tier below him?

Probably, he's faster than most/all of them and Susanoo/Kotoamatsukami are very powerful wincons. Pain would be a bit complicated though.

the kick doesn’t justify for “far higher”
it was a counterattack even

That's not really my burden, you're claiming Base Naruto is relative to him when he has no speed feats against Jigen

 

[Nierre]

MS Shisui>>3T Shisui~Danzo~MS Sasuke

shisui really had that dawg in him

Pain would be a bit complicated though.

Why's that?

 

[Kaydee1648]

That's not really my burden, you're claiming Base Naruto is relative to him when he has no speed feats against Jigen

The speed difference between V1 Jigen and SP Naruto should be comparable in their base forms. The only feat that -presumably- defeats that isn’t allat

 

[MinatoSparkle]

shisui really had that dawg in him

Why's that?

6 opponents and their versatility + CT/CST if Tendo is the last remaining Path

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The speed difference between V1 Jigen and SP Naruto should be comparable in their base forms.

Ion see any reason to think that

The only feat that -presumably- defeats that isn’t allat

Base Jigen>Base Naruto is also supported by Naruto's comment