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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

nobody:

Places in the Narutoverse be like:
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Deceived3596 said:
It's accepted on Hagoromo's profile, and anyone else who utilizes TSO or Susanoo, who has an updated profile; It not being on the verse page is because a blog specifically for it hasn't been made yet. Not that the energy isn't accepted as having this component with it.
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Claiming something is accepted on Hags own profile isn't proof though for the whole verse and doesn't use any evidence within the manga or databook.
Deceived3596 said:
In the explanation of Soul Manipulation, one of the qualifiers for the ability is "being able to project the power of one's soul outward." By "power" they're referencing spiritual energy sources, which are normally derived from one's soul. Chakra, and subsequently anything constructed off it (especially when utilizing the spiritual portion of the energy system) falls under this category without issue.
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And here we go again with the nominal fallacy. How is gaining "spiritual energy" through training and experience any way involved with soul manipulation? Cause you are not tampering or messing with anyone's soul with this. Also, you haven't connected the dots while relaying on hyperbole and speculation of Dan to try and get this point across.
Deceived3596 said:
Stuff like TSO also fall under "the ability to interact with one's soul or the souls of others" as it can interact with Susanoo's explicitly, while possessing indicative evidence of it being able to interact with Dan's spiritual body while he's utilizing his Ninjutsu.
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Ok show that it can interact with ones soul. It can interact with susanoo cause its a construct of chakra not a construct of the soul. Are the rocks that land on susanoo or weapons now soul manip cause they can interact with susanoo?
Deceived3596 said:
Training and Experience itself doesn't, but the energy specifically created in Naruto that is described as being / is shown as spiritual, does. It's an in-verse mechanic, so deferring to the Soul Manipulation page as a defeater, without also incorporating that context misses out on what actually matters here, which is the energy developed. You're claiming that spiritual and mental energies within Naruto aren't actually spiritual, but are rather "Training and Experience" energies, which is completely nonsensical and logically fallacious as I explained previously.
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Good we agree on something that training and experience do not equate to soul manip but you keep trying to say it is though. Specific jutsu like the rinnagan and death reaper seal being soul manip does not mean everything chakra related is soul manip. If you believe its nonsensical and shit send a letter to Kishi who stated in that the spiritual/mental energy is from training and experience not from the soul which you keep trying to falsely push.
Deceived3596 said:
I gave you an explanation before and now, and you still won't accept it because you have a fundamental disagreement with Chakra being spiritual in any meaningful capacity. It's not a fault of me being unconvincing or not providing any explanation, but you not accepting the explanations I give.
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Cause your explanation relies on lies, hyperbole, and speculation?
Deceived3596 said:
You believe the statement is hyperbolic, but still haven't provided sufficient reasoning as to why it is. Just giving me the statement without explaining why it's hyperbolic doesn't provide any validity or soundness to your claim. I could just equally assume it's valid and we would have the same level of evidence supporting our interpretation.
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Provide evidence get told I haven't provided evidence? Susanoo is statement is metaphorical and hyperbolic as we see when it cant destroy all of the enemies and that its a chakra construct manifested from the eyes. And we also can see that anything and everything can interact with it without soul manip.
Deceived3596 said:
You're now committing a False Equivalence Fallacy by equating the weakness TSO have to Ninjutsu enhanced with Nature Energy, with the validity of the statement about it being capable of erasing all Ninjutsu. It's a flawed rationale because Sage Energy is explicitly stated to be a weakness to TSO, so it's automatically exempt from the statement, while Dan's Ninjutsu has no such statement or even slight implication outside of speculation, so it isn't.
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Makes claim that it can neg all ninjutsu, TSO proceed to not be able to neg all ninjutsu proving the claim false. If sage jutsu which are classified as ninjutsu are exempt from this that means the statement is now false or at least conditional on what it can and cannot neg and you should provide evidence on why it should be able to neg dans soul with proof which you haven't provided other than some vibes.
Deceived3596 said:
I've already provided enough rationale to support the conclusion of my claim without compromising its logical structure, so it's a sound proposition. Your counter retort was fallacious, it possesses an unsound premise within it, so it isn't a sound proposition. Until you provide at least a comparative level of soundness to your claim, your argument doesn't logically hold.
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Logically hold? Brother you haven't provided an ounce of evidence for any of your claims while going off of lies, hyperbole, and falsehoods.
Deceived3596 said:
I do. My evidence is the statement about TSO being able to nullify all Ninjutsu, which is caused by the orb interacting with a particular Ninjutsu. Dan's spiritual body technique is described as "the user's own soul is detached from the body and becomes a ghost" and is explicitly classified as a Ninjutsu. So, we can logically deduce here by a process of Abductive Reasoning that the most likely conclusion we can reach with the given evidence is that TSO can interact with Dan because his technique is Ninjutsu-based, and TSO can interact with Ninjutsu, blanketly.
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As stated above we know that TSO negging stuff is conditional. Just cause Dan's technique is called a ninjutsu does not mean TSO can interact with his soul unless you have evidence of TSO having soul manipulation. Again you have failed to provide any concreated evidence on this and your claim of TSO begging everything is contradicted by the manga and source material itself.
Deceived3596 said:
It's a very simple and logically sound conclusion to reach.
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I spot to lies in this, there's nothing simple about your argument and logical about it. It requires using hyperbole for susanoo and speculation about Dan, awhile ignoring what makes up chakra which is training and experience.

I think I got everything, don't care enough to make sure. We can agree to disagree if you want till a CRT comes out or continue this.
 
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The fact that Tsunade and Jiraiya seemed to think the Itachi Pursuit team could defeat and capture Itachi is pretty wild, even given what they knew about him
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MinatoSparkle said:
The fact that Tsunade and Jiraiya seemed to think the Itachi Pursuit team could defeat and capture Itachi is pretty wild, even given what they knew about him
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Kishimoto foreshadowing Naruto's design as Hokage. He's got the bandaged arm and the black on orange combo. Only something a GOAT could do 🔥✍️
 
MinatoSparkle said:
The fact that Tsunade and Jiraiya seemed to think the Itachi Pursuit team could defeat and capture Itachi is pretty wild, even given what they knew about him
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They were gonna be in for a rude awakening, I can tell you that much. Literally, when they wake up from their genjutsu-induced naps. 😭
 
I'm like genuinely curious now. What would Itachi have actually done if his two man cell straight up did capture Naruto? That kind of goes against half his perogative of not actually being a real traitor to Konoha.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I'm like genuinely curious now. What would Itachi have actually done if his two man cell straight up did capture Naruto? That kind of goes against half his perogative of not actually being a real traitor to Konoha.
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Yes, which is why I actually believe he tipped off Jiraiya using the woman he supposedly sent to seduce him.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
They were gonna be in for a rude awakening, I can tell you that much. Literally, when they wake up from their genjutsu-induced naps. 😭
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Yeah lol but tbh I feel like this is an interesting argument to get the Itachi Pursuit team above Base Jiraiya/Armless Orochimaru since Jiraiya admitted that it took him a huge effort just to make Itachi retreat and they should've known that Itachi was superior to Armless Orochimaru given that Sasuke outright states it (you could also infer it from Jiraiya saying Naruto's gonna face opponents greater than Oro, when the only Akatsuki members he's seen are Itachi and Kisame).
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Yeah lol but tbh I feel like this is an interesting argument to get the Itachi Pursuit team above Base Jiraiya/Armless Orochimaru since Jiraiya admitted that it took him a huge effort just to make Itachi retreat and they should've known that Itachi was superior to Armless Orochimaru given that Sasuke outright states it (you could also infer it from Jiraiya saying Naruto's gonna face opponents greater than Oro, when the only Akatsuki members he's seen are Itachi and Kisame).
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Perhaps. It is a pretty formidable squad to be fair, they have a lot of fearsome abilities on their side. Kakashi's Sharingan and tactical prowess with insane finishers like Raikiri and Kamui, Hinata's Byakugan and Gentle Fist, Yamato's Wood Release with its suppression abilities, Sakura's borderline Tsunade tier Medical Ninjutsu, Shino's straight up nasty asf kit, Naruto's clones and raw output with his Rasengan variants, and.... Uhhh, Kiba ig 😭

But nah, in all seriousness, pretty scary prospect facing off against such a complete unit. Especially with a genius like Kakashi at the helm. I could see them potentially bringing down a Kage level opponent they wouldn't stand a chance against individually.
 
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