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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Respectfully, ya'll's opinions on this just don't matter lmao. The profile will go up whether you like it or not.

And thank god for that, because it's actually quite a phenomenal profile. It'll be one of the absolute best this verse has seen from a quality perspective, which should be the only thing that matters in this discussion.

On behalf of everyone in the fandom, I wanna thank Deceived for putting in so much time and effort into this. He's been working on it for literal months.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
It’s not gaslighting, it’s just the truth. Literally day in and day out, it’s the same suspects whining.
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No, it’s not. People spend months creating CRTs to propose upgrades or downgrades, and it’s perfectly fine for others to disagree. However, what you can’t do is say, “I’m doing you a favor, so you should agree with me.” Just because you upgrade a character from planetary to star level, while others might scale that character to solar level, doesn’t mean everyone must accept your rating.
Please don’t try to create division among us. In fact, many users here don’t even want a profile for the character yet, while others do—and that’s completely fine. AP is an essential factor in scaling, and this is a debate forum, after all.
 
Samlex1234 said:
No don't do that. Stop that gaslighting trash.
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let's drop this tbh

complaining about shibai ap is the same as complaining about every other naruto character's profile. if we have an issue we sort it ourselves with crts

Personally I don't have much to say regarding where they choose to put his AP in
The only contention I had is feeling that the profile is made too early with minimal chances of being able to display feats and scaling
Similar to seeing a new shinobi and slapping on a "at least human level" or "comparable to other shinobi" when it is hinted on being massively higher
since the wiki helps how people perceive power levels of characters I feel that it would ruin his real tiering being taken seriously if a lower one is slapped on him
If it does get passed, well not much to do
 
Samlex1234 said:
No, it’s not. People spend months creating CRTs to propose upgrades or downgrades, and it’s perfectly fine for others to disagree. However, what you can’t do is say, “I’m doing you a favor, so you should agree with me.” Just because you upgrade a character from planetary to star level, while others might scale that character to solar level, doesn’t mean everyone must accept your rating.
Please don’t try to create division among us. In fact, many users here don’t even want a profile for the character yet, while others do—and that’s completely fine. AP is an essential factor in scaling, and this is a debate forum, after all.
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That is gaslighting ^

What I’m frustrated with isn’t people disagreeing. If you could read what I typed you’d understand that when I said “it’s fine to disagree”. What’s annoying is when someone goes “oh if it’s not how I like it, throw it away it’s trash”. That’s complaining and whining.

I don’t care where you personally scale characters, that’s never been the issue. Stop trying to manipulate my words to suit your own narrative.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
And thank god for that, because it's actually quite a phenomenal profile. It'll be one of the absolute best this verse has seen from a quality perspective, which should be the only thing that matters in this discussion.
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is he drawing his own fanarts for the profile images /s
 
Robo432343 said:
i also created my own shibai profile

character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com

Shibai Ōtsutsuki (Canon)/Slappyjoe056

Shibai Ōtsutsuki was considered a god of the Ōtsutsuki clan. Long ago, having continued the Ōtsutsuki's path of devour Chakra Fruit repeatedly, Shibai eventually completely transcended all mortal limits. His power became revered among his people. Upon reaching his apparent godhood, Shibai's...
character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com
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wait thats yours?


based speed scaling
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Respectfully, ya'll's opinions on this just don't matter lmao. The profile will go up whether you like it or not.

And thank god for that, because it's actually quite a phenomenal profile. It'll be one of the absolute best this verse has seen from a quality perspective, which should be the only thing that matters in this discussion.

On behalf of everyone in the fandom, I wanna thank Deceived for putting in so much time and effort into this. He's been working on it for literal months.
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“Respectfully, ya'll's opinions on this just don't matter lmao”
Why is this a fight slayer?. There is literally a CRT before profile goes up. Some things would have to be debated and mods would have to agree or disagree. I'm not even saying he should not create CRT all I'm saying is I don't agree, which honestly does not matter as my vote don't count, but that is fine. “Slayer” people don't have to agree with you and that is fine.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Personally I don't have much to say regarding where they choose to put his AP in
The only contention I had is feeling that the profile is made too early with minimal chances of being able to display feats and scaling
Similar to seeing a new shinobi and slapping on a "at least human level" or "comparable to other shinobi" when it is hinted on being massively higher
since the wiki helps how people perceive power levels of characters I feel that it would ruin his real tiering being taken seriously if a lower one is slapped on him
If it does get passed, well not much to do
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i feel this personally if we were just talking about the transcended version, you can ask @Arc7Kuroi himself how much i was in disagreement with the idea under the pretense of it being this specific version, that being said most of shibai's lore comes from after his "death" and there isnt any implication we will even get to explore the pre ascension anyway, and if we do we can just upgrade him after the fact.

because at the end of the day this site is first and foremost an indexing wiki before a forum battle one, and if we can have profiles for Condor the Ninja ostrich we can have one for Shibai
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
The only contention I had is feeling that the profile is made too early with minimal chances of being able to display feats and scaling
Similar to seeing a new shinobi and slapping on a "at least human level" or "comparable to other shinobi" when it is hinted on being massively higher
since the wiki helps how people perceive power levels of characters I feel that it would ruin his real tiering being taken seriously if a lower one is slapped on him
If it does get passed, well not much to do
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Why are you acting like the profile's initial ratings are permanent lmao? If Shibai drops in 20 chapters and busts an infinite multiverse or whatever, then his rating will be adjusted accordingly. It's not like he's hard-capped by his current rating. That's no reason to not create a profile. We never gatekeep profiles because "X character may or may not be stronger in the future". And with Boruto's horrendous pacing, we could be waiting for years without any meaningful Shibai content.

As for perception, trust me, it doesn't work like that. If Shibai gets concretely better scaling, people will know and adjust their perceptions accordingly. Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus were tier 5/4 on most forums including VSBW pre-2016, but once the Uni feats dropped in Super, it just became the accepted meta more or less universally. If something truly game-changing drops for Shibai, people will adjust their perceptions organically, that's just how these things work.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
That is gaslighting ^

What I’m frustrated with isn’t people disagreeing. If you could read what I typed, you’d understand that when I said, “It’s fine to disagree.” What’s annoying is when someone says, “Oh, if it’s not how I like it, throw it away; it’s trash.” That’s complaining and whining.

I don’t care where you personally scale characters, that’s never been the issue. Stop trying to manipulate my words to suit your own narrative.
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No, Arc, you don't get to Gatekeep people's opinions and change their words. I have seen this profile on his blog, and I agree with many things and disagree with others. I spoke with Deceived yesterday, and the only thing I said to him was that the AP is a big downplay, and he should go ahead and create the profile, as I'm working on an upgrade right after. . Let people disagree in peace.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
wait what does this mean,
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vsbattles.fandom.com

Information Manipulation

Information Manipulation is the power to control, alter, and even destroy information itself. A vast variety of effects can be achieved using this ability, from gaining knowledge or altering what people know to warping reality itself. Note that Information Analysis and Data Manipulation are...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
Ghostimuscrime said:
whys it better than tier 2
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Because Hax is just objectively > AP lol (Hence why Kaguya still mogs most Boruto characters)
 
Samlex1234 said:
No, Arc, you don't get to Gatekeep people's opinions and change their words. I have seen this profile on his blog, and I agree with many things and disagree with others. I spoke with Deceived yesterday, and the only thing I said to him was that the AP is a big downplay, and he should go ahead and create the profile, as I'm working on an upgrade right after. . Let people disagree in peace.
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I’m not gatekeeping anything buddy. I don’t know how many times I can tell you that 1) idc if you disagree that’s your prerogative and 2) you’re allowed to disagree. Stop putting words in my mouth 😭

It is 100% OKAY for you to disagree with the AP buddy. Read what I’m saying again for fvck’s sake.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Information Manipulation

Information Manipulation is the power to control, alter, and even destroy information itself. A vast variety of effects can be achieved using this ability, from gaining knowledge or altering what people know to warping reality itself. Note that Information Analysis and Data Manipulation are...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

Because Hax is just objectively > AP lol (Hence why Kaguya still mogs most Boruto characters)
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wait are we getting type 2?
type 1 kinda sucks
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Why are you acting like the profile's initial ratings are permanent lmao? If Shibai drops in 20 chapters and busts an infinite multiverse, his rating will be adjusted accordingly. It's not like he's hard-capped by his current rating. That's no reason to not create a profile. We never gatekeep profiles because "X character may or may not be stronger in the future". And with Boruto's horrendous pacing, we could be waiting for years without any meaningful Shibai content.

As for perception, trust me, it doesn't work like that. If Shibai gets concretely better scaling, people will know and adjust their perceptions accordingly. Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus were tier 5/4 on most forums including VSBW pre-2016, but once the Uni feats dropped in Super, it just became the accepted meta more or less universally. If something truly game-changing drops for Shibai, people will adjust their perceptions organically, that's just how these things work.
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I agree that creating a character profile should not be gatekeeped. However making a profile withholding valuable information to keep the character at a lower tier can be considered disingenuous ( I don't think deceive is though as his main goal is to get the profile passed). My problem is we can't just say well, we don't have enough information about the character and still create a profile. If we are going to do that, let's use all the information we have. Thus, I agree with the profile but disagree with the AP rating.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
I’m not gatekeeping anything buddy. I don’t know how many times I can tell you that 1) idc if you disagree that’s your prerogative and 2) you’re allowed to disagree. Stop putting words in my mouth 😭

It is 100% OKAY for you to disagree with the AP buddy. Read what I’m saying again for fvck’s sake.
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i think samlex thinks you're specifically accusing him of complaining n stuff

the whole thing is a big ass misunderstanding
 
Samlex1234 said:
I agree that creating a character profile should not be gatekeeped. However making a profile withholding valuable information to keep the character at a lower tier can be considered disingenuous ( I don't think deceive is though as his main goal is to get the profile passed). My problem is we can't just say well, we don't have enough information about the character and still create a profile. If we are going to do that, let's use all the information we have. Thus, I agree with the profile but disagree with the AP rating.
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Deceived is using everything we currently have at our disposal. Like, he just factually is.
 
No one involved in the profile’s creation is withholding any vital information that disingenuously downplays the character. The only withholding of information is that the manga could reveal more stuff. Deceived is quite literally working with all the information we have on Shibai to make the profile. It’s just that right now the people working on the profile don’t believe the current information warrants tier 2, meanwhile you disagree and think it does. This has nothing to do with dishonesty or gatekeeping anything for his AP you goober.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Deceived is using everything we currently have at our disposal. Like, he just factually is.
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Well, that is true to some extent, and there is other stuff like Isshiki's abilities, which I don't wholly agree with. What I'm arguing for, and you should know by now, is Omnipotence being capable of constructing a low 2c world. Well, for this, I'm already working on my argument, which I will propose later if deceived CRT is accepted. Like I said, I'm indifferent to the profile; however, the fact that Arc is coming here trying to make it look bad and set me up for backlash for disagreeing with the AP is the problem.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
No one involved in the profile’s creation is withholding any vital information that disingenuously downplays the character. The only withholding of information is that the manga could reveal more stuff. Deceived is quite literally working with all the information we have on Shibai to make the profile. It’s just that right now the people working on the profile don’t believe the current information warrants tier 2, meanwhile you disagree and think it does. This has nothing to do with dishonesty or gatekeeping anything for his AP you goober.
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Don't call me goober, you downplayer. They don't know about you like I do. I will pray for you, Slayer, and I believe you will be free from Arc sooner or later. You will see the light, just hold on tight.
 
Samlex1234 said:
Don't call me goober, you downplayer. They don't know about you like I do. I will pray for you, Slayer, and I believe you will be free from Arc sooner or later. You will see the light, just hold on tight.
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Robo432343 said:
omfg

you should have stayed banned

he literally said disagreeing is fine????
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This was all I said below.
Samlex1234 said:
It depends on how high above, for it to be or not still be a downplay.
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This was his reply
Arc7Kuroi said:
Only in Naruto General can you find people complaining about someone putting hours of work and time to deliver a high quality profile for the verse. And why do people complain? His AP isn’t high enough for them 😔 sometimes y’all can be insufferable. Thankfully, your respectable vs supporters like Shadow, Net, Nierre, Test, Slayer, Tracer, Deceived, and Sparkle, etc. aren’t like that. Cuz elsewise nothing would ever get done with this verse lol
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He called out a few names to mainly separate the fandom supporters. This right here is called Divide and conquer. Oh all this other guys are the only respectable supporters in the verse. Bet they liked the comment too. Meanwhile all I said was the rating is a downplay. The fact that all this played out like this just for a single disagreement says a lot, but whatever.
 
Samlex1234 said:
This was all I said below.

This was his reply

He called out a few names to mainly separate the fandom supporters. This right here is called Divide and conquer. Oh all this other guys are the only respectable supporters in the verse. Bet they liked the comment too. Meanwhile all I said was the rating is a downplay. The fact that all this played out like this just for a single disagreement says a lot, but whatever.
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He said etc.
 
Samlex1234 said:
Don't call me goober, you downplayer. They don't know about you like I do. I will pray for you, Slayer, and I believe you will be free from Arc sooner or later. You will see the light, just hold on tight.
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