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Pre Ascension Shibai probably was busted as hell if he had all those godly haxes before becoming 5D
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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I don’t know what you guys mean by non-ascension key.
Shibai's base form is his God form. Or at least he has all the same power he has in his ascension form in his base. Shibai completed the requirement for godhood when he ate the last fruit that caused him to complete the requirement for godhood. He did not become a god after he discarded his body. In fact, he still had his body on after godhood but decided to discard it when he deemed it not necessary.
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Non-ascension = when he still had a physical body
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hell no burn it with fire, abort mission ASAP
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Shibai had prescience, omnipotence and all of those ability before discarding his body
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Why dont we use simple terms
either Pre and Post
or v1 v2
Base and God Forms not wrong either
either Pre and Post
or v1 v2
Base and God Forms not wrong either
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Only in Naruto General can you find people complaining about someone putting hours of work and time to deliver a high quality profile for the verse. And why do people complain? His AP isn’t high enough for them 
sometimes y’all can be insufferable. Thankfully, your respectable vs supporters like Shadow, Net, Nierre, Test, Slayer, Tracer, Deceived, and Sparkle, etc. aren’t like that. Cuz elsewise nothing would ever get done with this verse lol
sometimes y’all can be insufferable. Thankfully, your respectable vs supporters like Shadow, Net, Nierre, Test, Slayer, Tracer, Deceived, and Sparkle, etc. aren’t like that. Cuz elsewise nothing would ever get done with this verse lol
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No don't do that. Stop that gaslighting trash.Only in Naruto General can you find people complaining about someone putting hours of work and time to deliver a high quality profile for the verse. And why do people complain? His AP isn’t high enough for them
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It’s not gaslighting, it’s just the truth. Literally day in and day out, it’s the same suspects whining.
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theres no downplay its just logical continuity based on whats accepted on the wiki
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I have already spoken with deceive, and though I think it is OK to create a profile, I do not 100 percent agree with it as I believe it would downplay the characterr heavily. But again. this is verse battle wiki we don't gatekeep CRTOnly in Naruto General can you find people complaining about someone putting hours of work and time to deliver a high quality profile for the verse. And why do people complain? His AP isn’t high enough for them
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downplaying would be actively trying to avoid scaling him to highest thing we have for the verse on the wiki, if you think specific value is too low then thats not an issue with the profile but your point of reference for scaling. in this case ETSO.
also its not like we scaling the transcended version of shibai and just actively trying to cap him at a level, it would be for the version we have enough information about
also its not like we scaling the transcended version of shibai and just actively trying to cap him at a level, it would be for the version we have enough information about
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First, whether you think it’s ok to create the profile or not doesn’t mean anything. Second, it’s fine to disagree with rating. Third, good on you for realizing that last point.
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oh brother spare me the talkOnly in Naruto General can you find people complaining about someone putting hours of work and time to deliver a high quality profile for the verse. And why do people complain? His AP isn’t high enough for them
We-
actually nvm
go ahead, publish it, if it gets accepted I'll congratulate and thank Deceived on his hard work
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Respectfully, ya'll's opinions on this just don't matter lmao. The profile will go up whether you like it or not.
And thank god for that, because it's actually quite a phenomenal profile. It'll be one of the absolute best this verse has seen from a quality perspective, which should be the only thing that matters in this discussion.
On behalf of everyone in the fandom, I wanna thank Deceived for putting in so much time and effort into this. He's been working on it for literal months.
And thank god for that, because it's actually quite a phenomenal profile. It'll be one of the absolute best this verse has seen from a quality perspective, which should be the only thing that matters in this discussion.
On behalf of everyone in the fandom, I wanna thank Deceived for putting in so much time and effort into this. He's been working on it for literal months.
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i also created my own shibai profile
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Shibai Ōtsutsuki (Canon)/Slappyjoe056
Shibai Ōtsutsuki was considered a god of the Ōtsutsuki clan. Long ago, having continued the Ōtsutsuki's path of devour Chakra Fruit repeatedly, Shibai eventually completely transcended all mortal limits. His power became revered among his people. Upon reaching his apparent godhood, Shibai's...
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No, it’s not. People spend months creating CRTs to propose upgrades or downgrades, and it’s perfectly fine for others to disagree. However, what you can’t do is say, “I’m doing you a favor, so you should agree with me.” Just because you upgrade a character from planetary to star level, while others might scale that character to solar level, doesn’t mean everyone must accept your rating.
Please don’t try to create division among us. In fact, many users here don’t even want a profile for the character yet, while others do—and that’s completely fine. AP is an essential factor in scaling, and this is a debate forum, after all.
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let's drop this tbh
complaining about shibai ap is the same as complaining about every other naruto character's profile. if we have an issue we sort it ourselves with crts
Personally I don't have much to say regarding where they choose to put his AP in
The only contention I had is feeling that the profile is made too early with minimal chances of being able to display feats and scaling
Similar to seeing a new shinobi and slapping on a "at least human level" or "comparable to other shinobi" when it is hinted on being massively higher
since the wiki helps how people perceive power levels of characters I feel that it would ruin his real tiering being taken seriously if a lower one is slapped on him
If it does get passed, well not much to do
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That is gaslighting ^
What I’m frustrated with isn’t people disagreeing. If you could read what I typed you’d understand that when I said “it’s fine to disagree”. What’s annoying is when someone goes “oh if it’s not how I like it, throw it away it’s trash”. That’s complaining and whining.
I don’t care where you personally scale characters, that’s never been the issue. Stop trying to manipulate my words to suit your own narrative.
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is he drawing his own fanarts for the profile images /s
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wait thats yours?i also created my own shibai profile
Shibai Ōtsutsuki (Canon)/Slappyjoe056
Shibai Ōtsutsuki was considered a god of the Ōtsutsuki clan. Long ago, having continued the Ōtsutsuki's path of devour Chakra Fruit repeatedly, Shibai eventually completely transcended all mortal limits. His power became revered among his people. Upon reaching his apparent godhood, Shibai's...
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“Respectfully, ya'll's opinions on this just don't matter lmao”
Why is this a fight slayer?. There is literally a CRT before profile goes up. Some things would have to be debated and mods would have to agree or disagree. I'm not even saying he should not create CRT all I'm saying is I don't agree, which honestly does not matter as my vote don't count, but that is fine. “Slayer” people don't have to agree with you and that is fine.
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no lol
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i feel this personally if we were just talking about the transcended version, you can ask @Arc7Kuroi himself how much i was in disagreement with the idea under the pretense of it being this specific version, that being said most of shibai's lore comes from after his "death" and there isnt any implication we will even get to explore the pre ascension anyway, and if we do we can just upgrade him after the fact.
because at the end of the day this site is first and foremost an indexing wiki before a forum battle one, and if we can have profiles for Condor the Ninja ostrich we can have one for Shibai
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Why are you acting like the profile's initial ratings are permanent lmao? If Shibai drops in 20 chapters and busts an infinite multiverse or whatever, then his rating will be adjusted accordingly. It's not like he's hard-capped by his current rating. That's no reason to not create a profile. We never gatekeep profiles because "X character may or may not be stronger in the future". And with Boruto's horrendous pacing, we could be waiting for years without any meaningful Shibai content.
As for perception, trust me, it doesn't work like that. If Shibai gets concretely better scaling, people will know and adjust their perceptions accordingly. Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus were tier 5/4 on most forums including VSBW pre-2016, but once the Uni feats dropped in Super, it just became the accepted meta more or less universally. If something truly game-changing drops for Shibai, people will adjust their perceptions organically, that's just how these things work.
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Okay
Testarossa002
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We're going to get a character with battle applicable info hax
******* info hax
That's a bigger upgrade than whatever tier 2 shenanigans
******* info hax
That's a bigger upgrade than whatever tier 2 shenanigans
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No, Arc, you don't get to Gatekeep people's opinions and change their words. I have seen this profile on his blog, and I agree with many things and disagree with others. I spoke with Deceived yesterday, and the only thing I said to him was that the AP is a big downplay, and he should go ahead and create the profile, as I'm working on an upgrade right after. . Let people disagree in peace.
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my ass still wondering wtf shibai gains from the clawmarks ngl
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wait what does this mean, whys it better than tier 2
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Information Manipulation
Information Manipulation is the power to control, alter, and even destroy information itself. A vast variety of effects can be achieved using this ability, from gaining knowledge or altering what people know to warping reality itself. Note that Information Analysis and Data Manipulation are...
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Because Hax is just objectively > AP lol (Hence why Kaguya still mogs most Boruto characters)
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lethal hax because its very esoteric, which means its not as common to have resistances or ways to combat it on average.
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I’m not gatekeeping anything buddy. I don’t know how many times I can tell you that 1) idc if you disagree that’s your prerogative and 2) you’re allowed to disagree. Stop putting words in my mouth
It is 100% OKAY for you to disagree with the AP buddy. Read what I’m saying again for fvck’s sake.
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wait are we getting type 2?Information Manipulation
Information Manipulation is the power to control, alter, and even destroy information itself. A vast variety of effects can be achieved using this ability, from gaining knowledge or altering what people know to warping reality itself. Note that Information Analysis and Data Manipulation are...
Because Hax is just objectively > AP lol (Hence why Kaguya still mogs most Boruto characters)
type 1 kinda sucks
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Basically this. It’s the whole reason smurfs are a thing. Characters who are stat wise way weaker than characters they can defeat thanks to their insane hax.
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Deceived's proposing it, whether it'll get accepted or not remains to be seen.
