MinatoSparkle
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Sarada could 1v1 kill a Shinju Ego and people would put her below Itachi
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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I just wish they gave us a clear explanation, even if its BS, for why she’s this strong…
In the novels they say Kakashi’s Chakra Level increased 100x at least and gave him feats on the Six Paths level. It’s plywood but… Ok, they made the attempt to at least SUPPORT Kakashi’s massive boost in power post war.
I mean, all I need is a panel giving us supporting statements for “why”. Just tell me Sasuke’s Chakra had an major impact on Sarada being as strong as she is and we good.
I can at least argue, “Well it’s stated Sasuke’s chakra, being Six Paths Chakra, is stated to play a part in why she’s this strong so it makes sense she’s able to reach these levels after 3 years with the Goal of reaching Otsutsuki level power that she and Mitsuki discussed.”
But as of rn, there’s none of that… the only response is literally, “Just because…”
For people like Konohamaru & hopefully Shikamaru, all they need to tell us is, after the Isshiki fight, Naruto had him and Shikamaru train with him and Sasuke in that 6 Month Timeskip to insure they could aide in combatting Otsutsuki level threats to make up for their losses in the Rinnegan & Kurama.
Konohamaru being able to block a Chidori strike High-Diff would be SUPPORTED in this case. I dislike “Just because” showings. Give me something to point to, to justify it, that I can make sense of it. Even if it’s a stretch.
In the novels they say Kakashi’s Chakra Level increased 100x at least and gave him feats on the Six Paths level. It’s plywood but… Ok, they made the attempt to at least SUPPORT Kakashi’s massive boost in power post war.
I mean, all I need is a panel giving us supporting statements for “why”. Just tell me Sasuke’s Chakra had an major impact on Sarada being as strong as she is and we good.
I can at least argue, “Well it’s stated Sasuke’s chakra, being Six Paths Chakra, is stated to play a part in why she’s this strong so it makes sense she’s able to reach these levels after 3 years with the Goal of reaching Otsutsuki level power that she and Mitsuki discussed.”
But as of rn, there’s none of that… the only response is literally, “Just because…”
For people like Konohamaru & hopefully Shikamaru, all they need to tell us is, after the Isshiki fight, Naruto had him and Shikamaru train with him and Sasuke in that 6 Month Timeskip to insure they could aide in combatting Otsutsuki level threats to make up for their losses in the Rinnegan & Kurama.
Konohamaru being able to block a Chidori strike High-Diff would be SUPPORTED in this case. I dislike “Just because” showings. Give me something to point to, to justify it, that I can make sense of it. Even if it’s a stretch.
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Breaking the 4th Wall.
Lists the top 5 Naruto fights. If he had put Gaara vs Lee at #1, it would have gone from R>F to 1-A.
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cho cho prob end up blitz levels above edo madara
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Two Blue Vortex ChoCho stomps i mean
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All you've got is thisi already got some speed calcs under my belt/hj
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tbh there needs to be some sensibility though. At least with AP, it's literally supported by the feats in the anime (via scaling), so it's damn near impossible to argue against.
But like a calc for speed? Having them be so fast that they're relative to war era characters via their own feats is odd no matter how you look at it, especially if they don't have good supporting feats to back up the rating/main calc.
But like a calc for speed? Having them be so fast that they're relative to war era characters via their own feats is odd no matter how you look at it, especially if they don't have good supporting feats to back up the rating/main calc.
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tbh Naruto's main canon has so little actual worthwhile speed feats compared to even half of the NNG that i feel like its up to the lore merchants to actually show their homework.
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Yesssss!!!
MinatoSparkle
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If ur getting into Naruto YT I'd strongly recommend checking out ThunderGod
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MinatoSparkle
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How accepting are we of multipliers?
MinatoSparkle
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Not very
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I mean it's mainly from the gates/Kido/CurseMark
Ped2018
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Me and you frhttps://media.**********.net/attachments/1112893577257832572/1311859294919987210/1200x1200bf.webp?ex=674a63ad&is=6749122d&hm=f6b99c6bf0bd0973ea73411963f02c396a1062213dedd9d15e59606f9d2c6270&
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Can I see it? I assume they have said all the arguments, I'm just curious why we can't use them.
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We have a multiplier page, you can read it to get our explicit standards on multipliers.
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Those who ball:
MinatoSparkle
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Hot take: KCM1 Naruto is low end relative to 50% Kurama
Ghostimuscrime
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I did a thread recently and let’s just say they’ll pass only for stated multipliers, inferred ones mostly get rejected, first gate is accepted as 5x buff for speed and ap, kido isn’t a multiplier he straight up gets stated 1000x superior in power and speed, curse mark is only accepted as a 10x for p1 characters I believe. The choji butterfly one is a 100x ap multiplier, the rasengan variants are a 2x, asura avatar is 3x
And I think that’s all
Sage Mode gets no multiplier unfortunately
Ghostimuscrime
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Arguing Sage Mode should get a multiplier probably gets you ETSO-level rejection rates so I don’t really bother with that, I do intend on re-attempting to get the MAS a bit higher tho
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By Kido I'm referring to him using the TB drug which should unironically apply to jinchuriki as a whole with the CM being the same amp or dozens of times hence VOTE P1, with the original kanji can be interpreted as 12x but CM multipliers for P1 is a little crazy considering Sasuke has it in P2. I assume we cannot use Choji getting 100x stronger as a chain scale?
The Sage Mode stuff is fine as we must guess.
Isn't there something with the 8th Gate being 100x the Hokage?(I could be mistaken)
The Sage Mode stuff is fine as we must guess.
Isn't there something with the 8th Gate being 100x the Hokage?(I could be mistaken)
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8th gates is well above 100x kage tier
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I'll need the raws translated for the Lee statement before I argue we should apply the amp
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He means it's essentially a useless multiplier
The highest gokage is like 6-C. 8th gate guy is several orders of magnitude above that via powerscaling alone
The highest gokage is like 6-C. 8th gate guy is several orders of magnitude above that via powerscaling alone
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That's fair, thanks. However some characters should be higher with CM or possibly Jinchuriki with Kido in the novel
Ghostimuscrime
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The original kanji for CM said numeric 10, it didn’t say dozens or tens
Just straight up “10” in the English number,
I haven’t seen evidence for the amp being multiplicative rather than additive but I’ve seen db fans get away with similar additive leaning statements and get away with establishing multipliers so you COULD argue about it ig, you can scale people above max potential choji with some good reasoning I don’t think anyone would be against that if that’s what you meant by chain scale
Testarossa002
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Kido's stuff is a bit more complex than a bijuu amp
The tailed beast drug was made out of:
1. Kurama's chakra (so not applicable to any other jinchuriki)
2. Naruto's cells (which already contains six paths chakra)
3. A base fashioned out of cells from a descendant of Hagoromo
The only "mode" that somewhat qualifies for all 3 is naruto's six paths sage mode
But a 1000x multiplier isn't exactly consistent with spsm
Believe me, I've tried.
Naruto(New Era) Speed Upgrade
In the novel Sakura Hiden, a tailed beast drug was introduced by the main antagonist of the novel, Tsukiki Kido These drugs was said to increase the power of the user by orders of magnitude. These statement was further reinforced by Sakura upon combat with him The drug was shown to enhance...
Ghostimuscrime
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I noticed Choji’s 100x statement just like this one are both stated direct numbers instead of the many times/dozen times/tens of times etc nonsense https://media.**********.net/attachments/1145761205022109816/1311907893603471380/IMG_3240.png?ex=674a90ef&is=67493f6f&hm=fc50fd008872268d89841109cb15797f4926f41bfb533207afad499f12fe1891&
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That's fine someone else translated it and they came up with dozens but it doesn't matter.
I was assuming since it should be multiplicative since it uses "times" lol but yes referring to scaling this butterfly Choji whomever is stated stronger should get this chainscale too
Ghostimuscrime
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Well, I don’t see any issues, people stated far stronger than Choji should easily be scaled above his multiplied form.
I’m not done reading it but based on the OP would it not be reasonable to allow the 1000x increase for Naruto’s war arc SPSM? I think that’s more logical than upgrading his new era formsKido's stuff is a bit more complex than a bijuu amp
The tailed beast drug was made out of:
1. Kurama's chakra (so not applicable to any other jinchuriki)
2. Naruto's cells (which already contains six paths chakra)
3. A base fashioned out of cells from a descendant of Hagoromo
The only "mode" that somewhat qualifies for all 3 is naruto's six paths sage mode
But a 1000x multiplier isn't exactly consistent with spsm
Believe me, I've tried.
Naruto(New Era) Speed Upgrade
In the novel Sakura Hiden, a tailed beast drug was introduced by the main antagonist of the novel, Tsukiki Kido These drugs was said to increase the power of the user by orders of magnitude. These statement was further reinforced by Sakura upon combat with him The drug was shown to enhance...vsbattles.com
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Granted it's Kurama's chakra it's not different than the other Jinchuriki, not that I see.Kido's stuff is a bit more complex than a bijuu amp
The tailed beast drug was made out of:
1. Kurama's chakra (so not applicable to any other jinchuriki)
2. Naruto's cells (which already contains six paths chakra)
3. A base fashioned out of cells from a descendant of Hagoromo
The only "mode" that somewhat qualifies for all 3 is naruto's six paths sage mode
But a 1000x multiplier isn't exactly consistent with spsm
Believe me, I've tried.
Naruto(New Era) Speed Upgrade
In the novel Sakura Hiden, a tailed beast drug was introduced by the main antagonist of the novel, Tsukiki Kido These drugs was said to increase the power of the user by orders of magnitude. These statement was further reinforced by Sakura upon combat with him The drug was shown to enhance...
Only time he really spilt blood was in base unless the novel clarifies SPSM.
Eh...I believe this was only as a base like you said to just grow the cells, doesn't seem like it's amping them tbh.
1000x sounds like a cool argument ngl might be consistent with the other multipliers or something.
