Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Ghostimuscrime]

Can I see it? I assume they have said all the arguments, I'm just curious why we can't use them.

I did a thread recently and let’s just say they’ll pass only for stated multipliers, inferred ones mostly get rejected, first gate is accepted as 5x buff for speed and ap, kido isn’t a multiplier he straight up gets stated 1000x superior in power and speed, curse mark is only accepted as a 10x for p1 characters I believe. The choji butterfly one is a 100x ap multiplier, the rasengan variants are a 2x, asura avatar is 3x

And I think that’s all

Sage Mode gets no multiplier unfortunately

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Arguing Sage Mode should get a multiplier probably gets you ETSO-level rejection rates so I don’t really bother with that, I do intend on re-attempting to get the MAS a bit higher tho

 

[Ped2018]

Where is this image from man

 

[Raiden_Azno]

By Kido I'm referring to him using the TB drug which should unironically apply to jinchuriki as a whole with the CM being the same amp or dozens of times hence VOTE P1, with the original kanji can be interpreted as 12x but CM multipliers for P1 is a little crazy considering Sasuke has it in P2. I assume we cannot use Choji getting 100x stronger as a chain scale?

The Sage Mode stuff is fine as we must guess.

Isn't there something with the 8th Gate being 100x the Hokage?(I could be mistaken)

I did a thread recently and let’s just say they’ll pass only for stated multipliers, inferred ones mostly get rejected, first gate is accepted as 5x buff for speed and ap, kido isn’t a multiplier he straight up gets stated 1000x superior in power and speed, curse mark is only accepted as a 10x for p1 characters I believe. The choji butterfly one is a 100x ap multiplier, the rasengan variants are a 2x, asura avatar is 3x

And I think that’s all

Sage Mode gets no multiplier unfortunately

 

[KaydeeX]

Isn't there something with the 8th Gate being 100x the Hokage?(I could be mistaken)

8th gates is well above 100x kage tier

 

[Raiden_Azno]

8th gates is well above 100x kage tier

I'll need the raws translated for the Lee statement before I argue we should apply the amp

 

[Testarossa002]

He means it's essentially a useless multiplier
The highest gokage is like 6-C. 8th gate guy is several orders of magnitude above that via powerscaling alone

 

[Raiden_Azno]

That's fair, thanks. However some characters should be higher with CM or possibly Jinchuriki with Kido in the novel

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

By Kido I'm referring to him using the TB drug which should unironically apply to jinchuriki as a whole with the CM being the same amp or dozens of times hence VOTE P1, with the original kanji can be interpreted as 12x but CM multipliers for P1 is a little crazy considering Sasuke has it in P2. I assume we cannot use Choji getting 100x stronger as a chain scale?

The Sage Mode stuff is fine as we must guess.

Isn't there something with the 8th Gate being 100x the Hokage?(I could be mistaken)

The original kanji for CM said numeric 10, it didn’t say dozens or tens

Just straight up “10” in the English number,

I haven’t seen evidence for the amp being multiplicative rather than additive but I’ve seen db fans get away with similar additive leaning statements and get away with establishing multipliers so you COULD argue about it ig, you can scale people above max potential choji with some good reasoning I don’t think anyone would be against that if that’s what you meant by chain scale

 

[Testarossa002]

That's fair, thanks. However some characters should be higher with CM or possibly Jinchuriki with Kido in the novel

Kido's stuff is a bit more complex than a bijuu amp
The tailed beast drug was made out of:
1. Kurama's chakra (so not applicable to any other jinchuriki)
2. Naruto's cells (which already contains six paths chakra)
3. A base fashioned out of cells from a descendant of Hagoromo

The only "mode" that somewhat qualifies for all 3 is naruto's six paths sage mode
But a 1000x multiplier isn't exactly consistent with spsm
Believe me, I've tried.

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[Ghostimuscrime]

The original kanji for CM said numeric 10, it didn’t say dozens or tens

Just straight up “10” in the English number,

I haven’t seen evidence for the amp being multiplicative rather than additive but I’ve seen db fans get away with similar additive leaning statements and get away with establishing multipliers so you COULD argue about it ig, you can scale people above max potential choji with some good reasoning I don’t think anyone would be against that if that’s what you meant by chain scale

I noticed Choji’s 100x statement just like this one are both stated direct numbers instead of the many times/dozen times/tens of times etc nonsense

 

[Raiden_Azno]

The original kanji for CM said numeric 10, it didn’t say dozens or tens

Just straight up “10” in the English number,

I haven’t seen evidence for the amp being multiplicative rather than additive but I’ve seen db fans get away with similar additive leaning statements and get away with establishing multipliers so you COULD argue about it ig, you can scale people above max potential choji with some good reasoning I don’t think anyone would be against that if that’s what you meant by chain scale

That's fine someone else translated it and they came up with dozens but it doesn't matter.

I was assuming since it should be multiplicative since it uses "times" lol but yes referring to scaling this butterfly Choji whomever is stated stronger should get this chainscale too

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

That's fine someone else translated it and they came up with dozens but it doesn't matter.

I was assuming since it should be multiplicative since it uses "times" lol but yes referring to scaling this butterfly Choji whomever is stated stronger should get this chainscale too

Well, I don’t see any issues, people stated far stronger than Choji should easily be scaled above his multiplied form.

Kido's stuff is a bit more complex than a bijuu amp
The tailed beast drug was made out of:
1. Kurama's chakra (so not applicable to any other jinchuriki)
2. Naruto's cells (which already contains six paths chakra)
3. A base fashioned out of cells from a descendant of Hagoromo

The only "mode" that somewhat qualifies for all 3 is naruto's six paths sage mode
But a 1000x multiplier isn't exactly consistent with spsm
Believe me, I've tried.

Naruto(New Era) Speed Upgrade

In the novel Sakura Hiden, a tailed beast drug was introduced by the main antagonist of the novel, Tsukiki Kido These drugs was said to increase the power of the user by orders of magnitude. These statement was further reinforced by Sakura upon combat with him The drug was shown to enhance...

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I’m not done reading it but based on the OP would it not be reasonable to allow the 1000x increase for Naruto’s war arc SPSM? I think that’s more logical than upgrading his new era forms

 

[Raiden_Azno]

Kido's stuff is a bit more complex than a bijuu amp
The tailed beast drug was made out of:
1. Kurama's chakra (so not applicable to any other jinchuriki)
2. Naruto's cells (which already contains six paths chakra)
3. A base fashioned out of cells from a descendant of Hagoromo

The only "mode" that somewhat qualifies for all 3 is naruto's six paths sage mode
But a 1000x multiplier isn't exactly consistent with spsm
Believe me, I've tried.

Naruto(New Era) Speed Upgrade

In the novel Sakura Hiden, a tailed beast drug was introduced by the main antagonist of the novel, Tsukiki Kido These drugs was said to increase the power of the user by orders of magnitude. These statement was further reinforced by Sakura upon combat with him The drug was shown to enhance...

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Granted it's Kurama's chakra it's not different than the other Jinchuriki, not that I see.
Only time he really spilt blood was in base unless the novel clarifies SPSM.
Eh...I believe this was only as a base like you said to just grow the cells, doesn't seem like it's amping them tbh.

1000x sounds like a cool argument ngl might be consistent with the other multipliers or something.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The original kanji for CM said numeric 10, it didn’t say dozens or tens

Just straight up “10” in the English number,

The Jirobo statement says more than 10 times and the Sakon statement says tens/dozens of times.
これまでの10倍以上の力を出せる"状態2"に敵はいない･････
あの右目ヤローが出てきてただでさえ絶望的なのにチャクラが数十倍に上がっただと･･･

 

[Ped2018]

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

The Jirobo statement says more than 10 times and the Sakon statement says tens/dozens of times.
これまでの10倍以上の力を出せる"状態2"に敵はいない･････
あの右目ヤローが出てきてただでさえ絶望的なのにチャクラが数十倍に上がっただと･･･

Uh oh, that’s bad for downscaling


Also tens/dozens? Let’s upgrade to 24x