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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Samlex1234 said:
You don't read what I type is not a debunk. When I have put up new arguments.
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I really don't care. Your new arguments wouldn't exist if you actually read my comments. And I can't be bothered to regurgitate endlessly. You're engaging with the wrong person here.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
I really don't care. Your new arguments wouldn't exist if you actually read my comments. And I can't be bothered to regurgitate endlessly. You're engaging with the wrong person here.
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Did you not mention that chakra is not a form physical energy? Did you not mention that Physical energy does not exist in the scientific world. No, you are not repeating your point. What you are doing is repeating arguments without debunking new points. Test book strawman. You ignore all my points and then focus on chakra like it is not a form of energy that literally manipulate physical energy in itself and as being proven in the show and can be stored up.

Regardless of your Strawman. My argument stands.

Kurama is a mass of Energy that is causing a tear in Space-time.
 
What is Naruto's physical energy then? Is it chemical potential energy? If so, how does he mix it with spiritual energy? Are you saying the chemicals in his body mix with his spirit? Does irl physical energy gather in people's belly? You can keep clinging to your mass of energy argument. It's not gonna accomplish anything really.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
What is Naruto's physical energy then? Is it chemical potential energy? If so, how does he mix it with spiritual energy? Are you saying the chemicals in his body mix with his spirit? Does irl physical energy gather in people's belly? You can keep clinging to your mass of energy argument. It's not gonna accomplish anything really.
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What a joke of a reply. The fact that you are asking this question means you read nothing proving my point again and again. You don't know what chakra is my brother. I repeat take a look at Slayers page.

Literally when you use both physical and mental energy, your body and brain produce a combination of different types of energy,

1. Chemical Energy: Your body converts food into chemical energy (via metabolism), which powers both physical activity and brain function.

2. Mechanical Energy: which is produced during physical activity, as your muscles generate force and movement.

3. Electrical Energy: Your brain literally operates using electrical signals between neurons, which are essential for mental activity like thinking, reasoning, and decision-making. (are you saying the chemical in his body mixes with his spirit what an argument smh)

4. Thermal Energy (Heat): Both mental and physical exertion produce heat as a byproduct, which is why you feel warm or sweat after a workout or intense thinking session, doe.


5. Potential Energy: This is stored energy, especially in muscles, that can be converted into mechanical energy when needed.

Instead for Naruto it can be stored in a charkra reserves that they can manipulate the energy at anytime.

These energies all work together, and the brain’s demand for energy increases during intense mental tasks, just as muscles requires more energy during physical exertion.

By the way most of this information can be found anywhere on the web. It is common knowledge.
 
Samlex1234 said:
What a joke of a reply. The fact that you are asking this question means you read nothing proving my point again and again. You don't know what chakra is my brother. I repeat take a look at Slayers page.

Literally when you use both physical and mental energy, your body and brain produce a combination of different types of energy,

1. Chemical Energy: Your body converts food into chemical energy (via metabolism), which powers both physical activity and brain function.

2. Mechanical Energy: which is produced during physical activity, as your muscles generate force and movement.

3. Electrical Energy: Your brain literally operates using electrical signals between neurons, which are essential for mental activity like thinking, reasoning, and decision-making. (are you saying the chemical in his body mixes with his spirit what an argument smh)

4. Thermal Energy (Heat): Both mental and physical exertion produce heat as a byproduct, which is why you feel warm or sweat after a workout or intense thinking session, doe.


5. Potential Energy: This is stored energy, especially in muscles, that can be converted into mechanical energy when needed.

Instead for Naruto it can be stored in a charkra reserves that they can manipulate the energy at anytime.

These energies all work together, and the brain’s demand for energy increases during intense mental tasks, just as muscles requires more energy during physical exertion.

By the way most of this information can be found anywhere on the web. It is common knowledge.
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So can you gather these forms of energy in your belly? Or mold them.
 
Samlex1234 said:
What a joke of a reply. The fact that you are asking this question means you read nothing proving my point again and again. You don't know what chakra is my brother. I repeat take a look at Slayers page.

Literally when you use both physical and mental energy, your body and brain produce a combination of different types of energy,

1. Chemical Energy: Your body converts food into chemical energy (via metabolism), which powers both physical activity and brain function.

2. Mechanical Energy: which is produced during physical activity, as your muscles generate force and movement.

3. Electrical Energy: Your brain literally operates using electrical signals between neurons, which are essential for mental activity like thinking, reasoning, and decision-making. (are you saying the chemical in his body mixes with his spirit what an argument smh)

4. Thermal Energy (Heat): Both mental and physical exertion produce heat as a byproduct, which is why you feel warm or sweat after a workout or intense thinking session, doe.


5. Potential Energy: This is stored energy, especially in muscles, that can be converted into mechanical energy when needed.

Instead for Naruto it can be stored in a charkra reserves that they can manipulate the energy at anytime.

These energies all work together, and the brain’s demand for energy increases during intense mental tasks, just as muscles requires more energy during physical exertion.

By the way most of this information can be found anywhere on the web. It is common knowledge.
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I apologize for the frustration displayed above.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
So can you gather these forms of energy in your belly? Or mold them.
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Why does where you gather them matter when I have proven to you this forms of energy can indeed be gather they can work together and be stored? Of course, humans don’t consciously gather or mold these energies in the same way ninjas do with chakra, but the comparison is meant to show how energy transformation and usage can occur even in both real-life biology and fictional systems. Just like humans convert chemical energy into other forms (e.g., mechanical, thermal, etc.) without thinking. in Naruto, chakra manipulation is a more conscious process. The fictional part which kishi showed us is that ninjas can control and mold chakra to do specific things, whereas in real life, energy conversion happens naturally without direct control.

Basically, the whole point here is that both systems—real and fictional—rely on converting and using different forms of energy to achieve specific outcomes. The way it’s done in Naruto is for storytelling purposes. Belly or not.

Thus my point stand Kurama is a mass of Energy that is causing a tear in Space-time
 
Samlex1234 said:
Why does where you gather them matter when I have proven to you this forms of energy can indeed be gather they can work together and be stored? Of course, humans don’t consciously gather or mold these energies in the same way ninjas do with chakra, but the comparison is meant to show how energy transformation and usage can occur even in both real-life biology and fictional systems. Just like humans convert chemical energy into other forms (e.g., mechanical, thermal, etc.) without thinking. in Naruto, chakra manipulation is a more conscious process. The fictional part which kishi showed us is that ninjas can control and mold chakra to do specific things, whereas in real life, energy conversion happens naturally without direct control.

Basically, the whole point here is that both systems—real and fictional—rely on converting and using different forms of energy to achieve specific outcomes. The way it’s done in Naruto is for storytelling purposes. Belly or not.

Thus my point stand Kurama is a mass of Energy that is causing a tear in Space-time
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Do you know what ATP is in biology?
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Do you know what ATP is in biology?
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Did you read all of that in less than 1 minutes. I'm done replying to you. I'm here typing for hours with less than 4 hours of sleep and you reply with this, less than 1 minute into the whole thing. At this point I agree to disagree I can't keep going back and forth with you.
You want to know how chakra works read this

vsbattles.fandom.com

The Mechanics of Chakra Enhancement

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
Samlex1234 said:
Did you read all of that in less than 1 minutes. I'm done replying to you. I'm here typing for hours with less than 4 hours of sleep and you reply with this, less than 1 minute into the whole thing. At this point I agree to disagree I can't keep going back and forth with you.
You want to know how chakra works read this

vsbattles.fandom.com

The Mechanics of Chakra Enhancement

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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Don't let Samlex know who made that blog 😬
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
I'm asking you for what reason it cannot be scaled while other stuff like telekinesis can be scaled? the site already defined what tier to assign in case of these scenarios
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because you can measure the PE and KE of hagoromo's telekenisis and its limit of resistance, you cant do that with teleportation in joules.

Ghostimuscrime said:
how do you see "to rewrite the world in an instant" and think its not ap applicable
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1. none of that is proof of AP no matter how much you think it should be, for the same reason reality warping a planet into a giant cheese cake wouldnt make you planet level in anything other than range.
2. by not taking a very clearly figurative sentence out of context and ignoring the actual mechanics of how the jutsu works, which is by switching dimensions as explained in two different sections of her databook entry and the official naruto site. i mean you dont even need guides or statements to know kaguya isnt literally overwriting the dimension where Team 7 started from, given it continues to exist as is even when they are pulled into kaguya's dimensions.
Ghostimuscrime said:
the writer is literally telling you shes significant affecting the structure
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correction, writers as in plural as there are many writers for databook four, and two none of that mentions effecting a universe on a large scale, all thats mentioned is the switching and pulling of dimensions which is not a quantifiable AP feat.

however you feel so strongly then be my guess and make a thread
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
because you can measure the PE and KE of hagoromo's telekenisis and its limit of resistance, you cant do that with teleportation in joules.


1. none of that is proof of AP no matter how much you think it should be, for the same reason reality warping a planet into a giant cheese cake wouldnt make you planet level in anything other than range.
2. by not taking a very clearly figurative sentence out of context and ignoring the actual mechanics of how the jutsu works, which is by switching dimensions as explained in two different sections of her databook entry and the official naruto site. i mean you dont even need guides or statements to know kaguya isnt literally overwriting the dimension where Team 7 started from, given it continues to exist as is even when they are pulled into kaguya's dimensions.

correction, writers as in plural as there are many writers for databook four, and two none of that mentions effecting a universe on a large scale, all thats mentioned is the switching and pulling of dimensions which is not a quantifiable AP feat.

however you feel so strongly then be my guess and make a thread
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I will reply to this when I wake up. I have some contentions.
 
NOTE
The phrase “in an instant” generally implies something happening very quickly or almost immediately, but it doesn’t necessarily mean instantaneous in the strictest sense. It can suggests a brief moment, but there may still be a very small amount of time involved.

Now if something says instantaneous teleportation that is a thing.
 
I'm 99% sure this amenominaka low2c shenanigans is coming from tiktok..

Y'all acting like kaguya out the Naruto universe on her back ànd took it to the next space time.

Here's a thought? Argue for range!!!
 
nah the Kanji says 瞬時 (しゅんじ which basically means Instantaneous, the context also supports this, given we quite literally see its instant.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
So realistically what’re the series options for Boruto to get around the Momoshiki problem ane what route do you think they’ll take? These are my options (No Particular Order):
  1. Sealing Jutsu.
  2. Momoshiki & Boruto fighting for Control causes their minds to meld, ala Vegeto or Gojeta.
  3. Whatever Doujutsu he gets suppresses Momoshiki’s Consciousness/Soul.
  4. Momoshiki’s Soul gets done in via Omnipotence.
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One of the ideas I had for Boruto and Momoshiki was a sort of Superior Spider-Man thing.
Boruto loses control of his body to Momoshiki, but as he "dies" all his emotions and memories affects Momoshiki.
He then takes up the mantle of Boruto Uzumaki just like he said he would.
This would definitely cause friction between the factions trying to help him and also the ones trying to kill him but that's only if they find out, which they probably will knowing how Momoshiki would act even if trying to be a good guy now.
Idk I think it'd be interesting
 
So to resist Omnipotence Mind Manipulation, you have to have resistance to Reality Warping? Standard Mental Resistances won’t work cross-verse?
 
Itd be cool to see a ranking of like who contributed the most pages worth of messages in the general discussions
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
nah the Kanji says 瞬時 (しゅんじ which basically means Instantaneous, the context also supports this, given we quite literally see its instant.
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No you are wrong. Though this explaination does not matter if I were to use that argument, it would be for 3A, for low2C however no. however to burst your bubble.

瞬時 (しゅんじ) on its own refers to something happening in an instant, but it doesn’t specifically mean “instantaneous teleportation.” If you’re referring to teleportation that happens in an instant, you’d typically use a term like 瞬間移動 (しゅんかんいどう, shunkan idō), which directly translates to “instantaneous movement” or “teleportation.” So while 瞬時 suggests a very quick action, it doesn’t necessarily imply teleportation unless it’s used in a context that describes such an event.


given we quite literally see its instant.

Prove that what you saw was instantaneous and not just very fast
 
karo_senpaii said:
I'm 99% sure this amenominaka low2c shenanigans is coming from TikTok..

Y'all acting like Kaguya put the Naruto universe on her back ànd took it to the next space-time.

Here's a thought? Argue for range!!!
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You better stop trying to use me to shine man (people don't truly respect that just so you hoping to get so many likes). No, I read the manga myself and most of my arguments as been from there. I have held this notion for the longest time don't think I'm like you, not everyone is. Even 3 years ago I created a CRT to ask why ETSO is not 2c (which it is), I don't give up on the truth, I don't ask for handouts, I don't ask for help, I don't think the verse is 4b ( like you guys oh give us something for the verse please ). I stand on my ground and argue my point. Don't tell me what to argue for.
 
One problem we have is that Kaguya's dimension hasn't been properly defined. But I have hope that Boruto would expand on what the Otsutsuki realms are since they've been much hype on that.
 
Samlex1234 said:
You better stop trying to use me to shine man (people don't truly respect that just so you hoping to get so many likes). No, I read the manga myself and most of my arguments as been from there. I have held this notion for the longest time don't think I'm like you, not everyone is. Even 3 years ago I created a CRT to ask why ETSO is not 2c (which it is), I don't give up on the truth, I don't ask for handouts, I don't ask for help, I don't think the verse is 4b ( like you guys oh give us something for the verse please ). I stand on my ground and argue my point. Don't tell me what to argue for.
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I might get a warning for this but **** it.
Aiit bro. You want a good from the heart reply?

You are slow and dull. This is isn't exactly a bad thing coz depending on your age there is always a chance for you to grow or get smarter. The problem about you is you fit the definition of a fool more perfectly than anyone I've ever known.
What's a fool? A fool is someone that does not know and does not know he doesn't know what he is supposed to know.

Yeah bro that's sounds a lot like you. I'm so suprised that someone can be clueless and still be proud in that state.
Everyone is a sheep and you're the only one thinking right. Narcissistic character ✔️. Have you ever considered that most of your arguments are actually dogwater . Like some of them are stuff that if you took your time to actually read them are utter garbage. And sometimes when you present somewhat decent arguments and people still disagree with you then you throw a bigger tantrum than a child who's toy has been taken away.
By telling me 3yrs ago you created threads like this you're just showing how stubborn and obstinate you are. At least one would think even if your notion ain't changing your arguments might have evolved but no! same half hazard regurgitated trash you keep spewing.
No one is against you, for the longest time I found you funny and felt well eventually he'd grow into the community. But you're sounding like a parasite here at this point.
Some of us have outside wiki scales for Naruto. We call it midball or highball coz guess what? We know the wiki we are in always goes for the lowest possible interpretation and we are fine with that. I'm not gonna die if naruto is not 4b.

I don't know where you think you are "i don't ask for help or handouts" yeah bro if you wanna actually change the verse you would need help, unless you can approve your own CRT's. There are like a thousand and one things that need revisions. But no give me low2c kaguya or I perish. Nonsense!!!

You've mentioned it severally now that you did not come here to make friends. Then shut up and never speak here. Leave the thread to the rest of us who part of the reasons we joined the wiki is to share a space to continue talking about stuff we like( like borugoat) with other like minded people. You don't need to speak here. Start churning out CRt's, that's the only place you need to be to get your 2c kaguya or whatever
 
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