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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

MinatoSparkle said:
It's not proof, but it means there's no contradiction. 2x Incomplete Bijuudama vs Complete Bijuudama is unquantifiable. Especially since that Bijuudama pretty much did put Gyuki out of commission anyways.
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You can’t make an argument that he would be knocked out when you have no proof he’d be knocked out from it. It being unquantifiable works against your claim as it is baseless. It’s a nonsense response and also, out of commission =\= knocked out. If Minato is knocked out and Kushina is potentially KO’d as well, Kurama would still be free to control her body and unravel the seal w/o impediment from either, even if he were SEVERELY weakend. So your “scenario” fails either way.
MinatoSparkle said:
Like?
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This. And yes, unlike explosions, it was prolonged exposure to the beam.
MinatoSparkle said:
This doesn't mean the punch is what knocked him out, he's simply commenting that he won't do that this time.
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Brother, i’m not about to argue this. This is blantantly what the context of the comment is about from Sasuke. The Punch defeated Naruto. Naruto acknowledges that, which is why he refers to it when Sasuke talks about defeating him again. You literally cannot argue the context here.
MinatoSparkle said:
And regardless, this doesn't defeat what I said. The punch being the finishing blow and the explosion being a major factor aren't contradictory.
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It does. You attempted to use that to support your claim, which it doesn’t. The explosion didn’t knock Naruto out. The explosion isn’t even attributed to it nor mentioned as a contributing factor. We can acknowledge it injured Naruto, but you can’t attribute any part of it to having been what knocked Naruto out. That is blatant.
MinatoSparkle said:
Either way there are other examples of clashes causing great damage, 3 from the same fight in fact 💀.
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Remind me where I said Naruto wasn’t damaged? 🤔 I can wait. Being Damaged =\= being Knocked out and that last part is attributed to something else.
MinatoSparkle said:
Um...he was? He even reverted.
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Except no (3:19). It’s implied in the movie ending he escaped the same way he escape Sasuke. Kodachi and Kishimoto oversaw this. Unless you think he’s dead in the manga, he wasn’t “knocked out” by this attacked.
MinatoSparkle said:
No? This is going back to our previous argument now. The burden of proof isn't on me
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How is it not on you? Your claims hold no weight and are baseless. You can’t even show a single shred of evidence that supports overpowering a fraction of the Biju’s power is enough to suppress the entire totality of it (Which is nonsense). Every instance of suppressing power in the manga has come from vastly stronger opponents and at no point is it ever a thing to be what you’re making out to be. Hashirama, Yamato w/ Crystal, Sasuke, etc. Each instance has showcased superior Chakra suppressing the weaker Chakra. You either can support your claim or you can’t.
MinatoSparkle said:
you're making an assertion that Minato's chakra overpowered ALL of V2 Kurama's chakra and I'm providing alternate possibilities which are consistent
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No, they are not “consistent”. They are nonexistent. You're making arbitrary assertions not supported and passing them off as facts, or “alternatives”, which just headcanon at this point.
MinatoSparkle said:
Also if Minato just completely overpowered the Bijuudama and his Rasengan blew through all of V2 Kurama's chakra or smthn, why did he get knocked out and bruised all over his body?
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He was already significantly injured. Him passing out isn’t far-fetched. Let’s not forget also, Kurama’s chakra is poisonous and highly corrosive and passively exerts significant force (Scan 1 | Scan 2 | Scan 3). And Minato was in prolonged contact / proximity for an extended period of time.

Chakra Strength =/= Physical parity. My points still stand.
MinatoSparkle said:
Yes
移植されたイタチの目は "万華鏡写輪眼" に永遠の光を灯し、 兄をも凌ぐ忍術と瞳術をサスケに与えたのだった。
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Thanks
 
MinatoSparkle said:
I had a thought. Could tail amps be considered at least linear increases in strength? Since it's just another portion of the Bijuu's chakra (and if anything is usually portrayed as more exponential, since 4T Naruto for example is nowhere near 50% Kurama)? In that case, you could say that since 4T Naruto's 4.3 gigatons, 6T Naruto would be at least 6.45 gigatons, 9T Kushina would be 19.35 gigatons, etc. I guess this is ignoring the user's base strength, but for most people that shouldn't really be a large factor.
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Oh god, is 4T Tenchi Bridge Naruto Bijuu level? Please tell me he isn't. I actively buried my face in my hands after seeing this.
 
Also, more support in the manga (And yes, we can battle over context throughout the entirety of the series for every instance of it if you like):
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Hey, @UchihaSlayer96, quick question because I forgot, how much did you go into the other students in your Jiraiya video? I personally think the Rain trio might be an equally good example for how good of a teacher he is.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
I had a thought. Could tail amps be considered at least linear increases in strength? Since it's just another portion of the Bijuu's chakra (and if anything is usually portrayed as more exponential, since 4T Naruto for example is nowhere near 50% Kurama)? In that case, you could say that since 4T Naruto's 4.3 gigatons, 6T Naruto would be at least 6.45 gigatons, 9T Kushina would be 19.35 gigatons, etc. I guess this is ignoring the user's base strength, but for most people that shouldn't really be a large factor.
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It's a possibility. Arc even came up with a way to calculate it, maybe. It's also not necessarily inconsistent.
I'm just not sure if it has enough support in the story. But an argument could be made for sure.
SlendVeny said:
Oh god, is 4T Tenchi Bridge Naruto Bijuu level? Please tell me he isn't. I actively buried my face in my hands after seeing this.
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He is.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
It's a possibility. Arc even came up with a way to calculate it, maybe. It's also not necessarily inconsistent.
I'm just not sure if it has enough support in the story. But an argument could be made for sure.
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I feel like it's intuitive enough that it doesn't really need an explicit statement. It's pretty much 1 + 1 = 2
 
"Oh, who's that guy with the orange hair and the piercings?"

"Nagato, also known as Pain because he was an edgy little fella, notably had a plan in which he would capture a team and a half of Pokémon people to stop the fighting because Yin Hitler and Yang Hitler killed his pet ginger, but then he murdered thousands of innocent people, and also knocked a frog over, and I did not like that."

"What?"

"Now, his body was horribly crippled when he summoned the ugly-ass version of those cool justice statues(boy, keep the blindfold on, amiright?), and ended up essentially crucifying himself. So, he took his dead friend's corpse and used it as a puppet like I'm going to do to you after you die, and then did the same to several other people who formerly served him. Then, when he died doing a reverse kamikaze attack, in which his death let others live(for some reason he was the only one to ever die using this technique), his soul was turned into a puppet, and that was deeply ironic. He also had a lady working with him who was a complete angel."

"Oh. Real nice, huh?"

"Not especially."

"Wh-"

"She could turn into paper."

"Oh, cool. What can he d- wait, did you say you were going to use my corpse as-"

"Well, since he uses the 6 Paths, he has 7 abilities: Penetrating Rods, Gravity Manipulation but only kind of, Summoning animals and himself and his terrifying partner, calling the literal King of Hell, soul fatalities, absorbing energy, and arms."

"Arms as in weapons or limbs?"

"Yeah."
 
Which Otsutsuki (Sans Shibai) has the best arsenal, all things considered?
  1. Kaguya
  2. Momoshiki
  3. Isshiki
  4. Kinshiki
  5. Urashiki
  6. Hagoromo
  7. Hamura
  8. Indra (Game)
  9. Ashura (Game)
  10. Toneri
 
BlackeJan said:
Just noticed that Kurama and Bijuus are lowballed. 50% of Kurama’s powers = 5 bijuus meaning each each tailed beast is actually magnitude stronger then the last. Each bijuu would be like at least 4x-5x stronger from one another. If 100% Kurama was to fight in the war, I bet it would take even 8tails (hypothetically) to even take on Kurama

EDIT: would we be able to find something for Kurama and the others if we use the Kakashi statement when he had Kurama’s chakra?
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I NEED ANSWERS
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Which Otsutsuki (Sans Shibai) has the best arsenal, all things considered?
  1. Kaguya
  2. Momoshiki
  3. Isshiki
  4. Kinshiki
  5. Urashiki
  6. Hagoromo
  7. Hamura
  8. Indra (Game)
  9. Ashura (Game)
  10. Toneri
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1. Hagoromo
2. Kaguya
3. Isshiki
4. Urashiki
5. Toneri/Hamura (if you believe that Hamura awakened the Tenseigan, if not then he goes below Toneri)
6. Momoshiki
7. Ashura
8. Kinshiki
9. Indra

Tbh, everything after 5 is kinda whatever. None of them have anything that I'd consider "hax" outside of Ashura having TSBs, but that's literally the only relevant thing he's got. Not enough to compete with the people above him imo.
Momoshiki and Kinshiki are pretty basic imo. Nothing really crazy there.
And Indra is a juiced up Uchiha, which is decent, but again nothing really special. At least compared to the peeps above.

And it goes without saying, but Shibai would be #1 if he were included in this.
 
SlendVeny said:
Kurama being stronger isn't because he has more tails.
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….yes it does. Also 50% Kurama could take on 5 Bijuu’s that are stronger then the last and the weakest one there iirc was Matabi while the strongest 6 Tails meaning he’s actually WAY stronger then we think and each Bijuu is stronger then the last
NeoKingOfLight said:
Every time I see you post, I remember the good ol’ Discord Roasting Sessions… 💀💀
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But I have no idea what you’re talking about. 🤔
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Im saying Kurama is way stronger then we think
 
BlackeJan said:
….yes it does. Also 50% Kurama could take on 5 Bijuu’s that are stronger then the last and the weakest one there iirc was Matabi while the strongest 6 Tails meaning he’s actually WAY stronger then we think and each Bijuu is stronger then the last

Im saying Kurama is way stronger then we think
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"Having more tails isn't the reason Kurama is so strong, there's no reason to believe having more Tails makes you stronger, one of the Bijuu literally said that isn't true."

"Yes it does."
 
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