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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

"Oh, who's that guy with the orange hair and the piercings?"

"Nagato, also known as Pain because he was an edgy little fella, notably had a plan in which he would capture a team and a half of Pokémon people to stop the fighting because Yin Hitler and Yang Hitler killed his pet ginger, but then he murdered thousands of innocent people, and also knocked a frog over, and I did not like that."

"What?"

"Now, his body was horribly crippled when he summoned the ugly-ass version of those cool justice statues(boy, keep the blindfold on, amiright?), and ended up essentially crucifying himself. So, he took his dead friend's corpse and used it as a puppet like I'm going to do to you after you die, and then did the same to several other people who formerly served him. Then, when he died doing a reverse kamikaze attack, in which his death let others live(for some reason he was the only one to ever die using this technique), his soul was turned into a puppet, and that was deeply ironic. He also had a lady working with him who was a complete angel."

"Oh. Real nice, huh?"

"Not especially."

"Wh-"

"She could turn into paper."

"Oh, cool. What can he d- wait, did you say you were going to use my corpse as-"

"Well, since he uses the 6 Paths, he has 7 abilities: Penetrating Rods, Gravity Manipulation but only kind of, Summoning animals and himself and his terrifying partner, calling the literal King of Hell, soul fatalities, absorbing energy, and arms."

"Arms as in weapons or limbs?"

"Yeah."
 
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Which Otsutsuki (Sans Shibai) has the best arsenal, all things considered?
  1. Kaguya
  2. Momoshiki
  3. Isshiki
  4. Kinshiki
  5. Urashiki
  6. Hagoromo
  7. Hamura
  8. Indra (Game)
  9. Ashura (Game)
  10. Toneri
 
BlackeJan said:
Just noticed that Kurama and Bijuus are lowballed. 50% of Kurama’s powers = 5 bijuus meaning each each tailed beast is actually magnitude stronger then the last. Each bijuu would be like at least 4x-5x stronger from one another. If 100% Kurama was to fight in the war, I bet it would take even 8tails (hypothetically) to even take on Kurama

EDIT: would we be able to find something for Kurama and the others if we use the Kakashi statement when he had Kurama’s chakra?
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I NEED ANSWERS
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Which Otsutsuki (Sans Shibai) has the best arsenal, all things considered?
  1. Kaguya
  2. Momoshiki
  3. Isshiki
  4. Kinshiki
  5. Urashiki
  6. Hagoromo
  7. Hamura
  8. Indra (Game)
  9. Ashura (Game)
  10. Toneri
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1. Hagoromo
2. Kaguya
3. Isshiki
4. Urashiki
5. Toneri/Hamura (if you believe that Hamura awakened the Tenseigan, if not then he goes below Toneri)
6. Momoshiki
7. Ashura
8. Kinshiki
9. Indra

Tbh, everything after 5 is kinda whatever. None of them have anything that I'd consider "hax" outside of Ashura having TSBs, but that's literally the only relevant thing he's got. Not enough to compete with the people above him imo.
Momoshiki and Kinshiki are pretty basic imo. Nothing really crazy there.
And Indra is a juiced up Uchiha, which is decent, but again nothing really special. At least compared to the peeps above.

And it goes without saying, but Shibai would be #1 if he were included in this.
 
SlendVeny said:
Kurama being stronger isn't because he has more tails.
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….yes it does. Also 50% Kurama could take on 5 Bijuu’s that are stronger then the last and the weakest one there iirc was Matabi while the strongest 6 Tails meaning he’s actually WAY stronger then we think and each Bijuu is stronger then the last
NeoKingOfLight said:
Every time I see you post, I remember the good ol’ Discord Roasting Sessions… 💀💀
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But I have no idea what you’re talking about. 🤔
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Im saying Kurama is way stronger then we think
 
BlackeJan said:
….yes it does. Also 50% Kurama could take on 5 Bijuu’s that are stronger then the last and the weakest one there iirc was Matabi while the strongest 6 Tails meaning he’s actually WAY stronger then we think and each Bijuu is stronger then the last

Im saying Kurama is way stronger then we think
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"Having more tails isn't the reason Kurama is so strong, there's no reason to believe having more Tails makes you stronger, one of the Bijuu literally said that isn't true."

"Yes it does."
 
So, if Borushiki vs Kawaki were allowed to go the distance without Boruto waking up… who would y’all have winning? I say Borushiki, High Diff.
 
yeah unpopular as an opinion as that is, I agree.

Kawashiki is def stronger daikoten is a bitch, but momoshiki is just a significantly smarter and better fighter.

vanishing rasengan that kawaki wont see coming followed by a kunai to the eye, sounds entirely like something momo would do.

also unlike kawaki at this stage borushiki can fly
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
yeah unpopular as an opinion as that is, I agree.

Kawashiki is def stronger daikoten is a bitch, but momoshiki is just a significantly smarter and better fighter.

vanishing rasengan that kawaki wont see coming followed by a kunai to the eye, sounds entirely like something momo would do.

also unlike kawaki at this stage borushiki can fly
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Idek if he's stronger with Massive Rasengan and Rasendan taken into account.
 
SlendVeny said:
"Having more tails isn't the reason Kurama is so strong, there's no reason to believe having more Tails makes you stronger, one of the Bijuu literally said that isn't true."

"Yes it does."
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So how is the ranking system of power for bijuus?
 
One thing that still confuses me to this day:
crackpot-theory-blue-eyes-of-yours-v0-54c9xlwwp6gc1.jpeg

Assuming the translations are correct, I'm not sure that this has come to fruition yet.

There are a couple of popular theories on the net:
1. The statement refers to Jougan
2. The statement refers to Senrigan
Both of these can't be true since the word used in the statement was plural. Also Senrigan is obviously out because they don't belong to Boruto. So most likely these blue eyes of Boruto refer to the natural eyes of Boruto.

Another popular opinion is that the statement refers to the Omnipotence switch event as taking everything from Boruto. Which might make sense for 2 reasons:
1. Momoshiki had been hyping up this event for a long time.
2. Momoshiki's reactions before, during, and after the switch happened seem to suggest that this is what he was hyping up.

But I would like to present another theory now. The reasons why I am presenting an alternate theory:
1. Boruto's eyes weren't the focal point or cause of the switch happening. In fact the entire event was pretty much out of his control. If anything Naruto was more at fault for it happening than Boruto.
2. Momoshiki hasn't appeared yet in TBV.
3. Two Blue Vortex seem to refer to Boruto's blue eyes and so there is a good chance that they might become more relevant now.

What if Momoshiki was just acting to throw Boruto off? Maybe he was acting to make Boruto think he had hit rock bottom and then went into hiding so that he can strike at an oppurtunity in the future and truly take everything from him. Boruto's blue eyes obviously have no powers so maybe they signify a trait of Boruto's that would lead to this downfall. Maybe the eyes signify Boruto's hope/optimism or trusting nature (maybe towards Kawaki or sumn else). Both of these qualities weren't instrumental during the Omnipotence event since Naruto is the reason Kawaki stayed in the village in the first place. But TBV really makes it a point to portray and question Boruto's loyalty towards Kawaki.

Or, Momoshiki did mean the Omnipotence switch, and Boruto was responsible for it (Which would be lame but aight).
 
Btw, so how does the wiki treat the Karma Percentages. We know it was Fused Momoshiki who etched Boruto with Karma.

From what’s stated:
  1. Karma allows the user to tap into that power.
  2. “True Essence” allows the user to tap into the Otsutsuki’s Battle Experience.
  3. The Otsutsuki Directly Controlling the vessel is stronger than the vessel controlling the power.
So that said, with Boruto at 82% Fused Momoshiki’s Data and Kawaki at 80% Isshiki’s, how is that looked at/scaled?

If TE is just an Experience Amp, do we still scale Kv1 to the same tier? Is Lv1 just a Boost to Yang Chakra with TE being a boost to Yin Chakra (As this would be simply a Combat Tactics / CC Improvement)?

The way I rationalize it is:
  • V1 Karma gives Access to 100% Kurama Chakra to Part 1 Naruto.
  • TE/V2K gives Part 1 Naruto access to Kurama’s Combat Experience & CC.
In this Case, would Part 1 Naruto still be scaled to the same Ballpark as if he used TE?

And if the Otsutsuki is stronger when in control, that would mean TE only gives access to “Partial” Otsutsuki’s Combat Experience & CC.

TE would be useless to say, Naruto or Sasuke whom, if they had Karma, already have Combat Experience & CC matching or exceeding the Otsutsuki’s anyways.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Naruto and Sasuke having more combat experience than the Otsutsuki is kinda wild
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Personally, and this isn’t confirmed obviously, but I think it’s just the Otsutsuki never really had to fight other races much. Imagine you had the power of Superman and every planet you go to the equivalent of Irl earth… 2000+ years of busting up fodder doesn’t really prepare you for a planet where the people can manipulate the same energy as you, imitate your people’s method of supernatural abilities and the top brass are trained fighters and killers with strength that rivals your own.

That planet is HIGHLY anomalous, dangerous but also LUCRATIVE for farming CF’s. 🤷‍♂️
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Personally, and this isn’t confirmed obviously, but I think it’s just the Otsutsuki never really had to fight other races much. Imagine you had the power of Superman and every planet you go to the equivalent of Irl earth… 2000+ years of busting up fodder doesn’t really prepare you for a planet where the people can manipulate the same energy as you, imitate your people’s method of supernatural abilities and the top brass are trained fighters and killers with strength that rivals your own.
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The implication from Karma's effects do seem like they have superhuman combat experience nonetheless
NeoKingOfLight said:
That planet is HIGHLY anomalous, dangerous but also LUCRATIVE for farming CF’s. 🤷‍♂️
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Secure, Consume, Protect
 
HelloThere1089 said:
One thing that still confuses me to this day:
crackpot-theory-blue-eyes-of-yours-v0-54c9xlwwp6gc1.jpeg

Assuming the translations are correct, I'm not sure that this has come to fruition yet.

There are a couple of popular theories on the net:
1. The statement refers to Jougan
2. The statement refers to Senrigan
Both of these can't be true since the word used in the statement was plural. Also Senrigan is obviously out because they don't belong to Boruto. So most likely these blue eyes of Boruto refer to the natural eyes of Boruto.

Another popular opinion is that the statement refers to the Omnipotence switch event as taking everything from Boruto. Which might make sense for 2 reasons:
1. Momoshiki had been hyping up this event for a long time.
2. Momoshiki's reactions before, during, and after the switch happened seem to suggest that this is what he was hyping up.

But I would like to present another theory now. The reasons why I am presenting an alternate theory:
1. Boruto's eyes weren't the focal point or cause of the switch happening. In fact the entire event was pretty much out of his control. If anything Naruto was more at fault for it happening than Boruto.
2. Momoshiki hasn't appeared yet in TBV.
3. Two Blue Vortex seem to refer to Boruto's blue eyes and so there is a good chance that they might become more relevant now.

What if Momoshiki was just acting to throw Boruto off? Maybe he was acting to make Boruto think he had hit rock bottom and then went into hiding so that he can strike at an oppurtunity in the future and truly take everything from him. Boruto's blue eyes obviously have no powers so maybe they signify a trait of Boruto's that would lead to this downfall. Maybe the eyes signify Boruto's hope/optimism or trusting nature (maybe towards Kawaki or sumn else). Both of these qualities weren't instrumental during the Omnipotence event since Naruto is the reason Kawaki stayed in the village in the first place. But TBV really makes it a point to portray and question Boruto's loyalty towards Kawaki.

Or, Momoshiki did mean the Omnipotence switch, and Boruto was responsible for it (Which would be lame but aight).
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You draw the comparison to Naruto, but that's exactly what the blue eyes represent. They are his connection to his father, who was known for having bright blue eyes like the men of the Namikaze line presumably had for generations.
 
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