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Dope idea for a video: What if Naruto was in WW2
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Singlehandedly defeats the Axis Powers, then shows Adolf-Chan visions of what things could've been like if he'd gone to art school as he's delivering the final punch to end the war.Dope idea for a video: What if Naruto was in WW2
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"I don't know, you are a... BLONDE HAIR? BLUE EYES? SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH? WHERE HAFF YOU BEEN?"Dope idea for a video: What if Naruto was in WW2
MinatoSparkle
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Naruto the type to Blitzkrieg Adolf's ass and then proceed to psychologically break him too before Adolf kills himself anyways.Singlehandedly defeats the Axis Powers, then shows Adolf-Chan visions of what things could've been like if he'd gone to art school as he's delivering the final punch to end the war.
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Iirc, wasn’t it stated he was only Kage because of his hard Counter to Shukaku? As I recall he also has no significant statements. He was weaker than 3rd Kazekage lore I think and Gaara has better feats, even against Deidara (I ngl, I didn’t expect you to say Naruto beats this Gaara Easily).
(1) It’s just slamming a Rasengan down. (2) I never said Naruto wasn’t able to keep up. (3) Chakra Strength is the topic of discussion, not “overall” ability, so there is no argument that was made that Naruto wouldn’t be able to keep up or that he would slow down Minato, even if Minato has stronger Chakra.
Same as above.
I think you’re misunderstand the argument. The way I see it (Again, if the One Shot Scaling that i’m a proponent for is acceptable): SM Minato (Chakra Strength) > BSM Naruto (Chakra Strength) >= BM Minato (Additive (Chakra Strength)) > Base Minato (Chakra Strength) >= 100% V2 9 Tails (Chakra Strength) > BM Naruto (Chakra Strength).
So Minato being support is valid and doesn’t change anything.
It is. This is the reason why so many people had a hard time accepting that Base Naruto was so strong after gaining Six Paths Chakra. The strength of Kurama’s Chakra is insignificant compared to Hagoromo’s Six Paths Chakra. Hell it was Fodder against even Juubito. Does it have its perks? Yes. Cloaks, Chakra Arms, “Volume” (Which is good for Stamina Reasons), Healing Factor, TBB (Which is AoE perks), etc. But that is amplified by the Six Paths Chakra. The other Biju Chakra + Kurama’s Chakra just gives Naruto extra Six Paths Chakra ontop of what Hagoromo gave him. So let’s be specific about it.
Refer Above + Base Naruto is still amped by the SPC. Kurama + Biju Chakra Together creates a fraction more SPC, which is negligible to the entire system. Also, idk if you remember but Sasuke w/o MS Activated is still able to tank DR Madara’s strikes without injury. Base Naruto scales to this Sasuke, so being able to tango w/ DR Madara isn’t as big a deal as you’re making it out to be and the fact remains that Kurama’s Chakra Strength and Benefits are negligible to the amp of SPC he has from Hagoromo. It didn’t change anything significantly.
Not true and you’re wrong on the “greater context”. The context of his statements is in regard to Chakra Control, nothing more.
The one shot clearly debunks this sentiment unless you think and want to argue that 100% V2’s are less than half the strength of their Biju, which is a notion that is proven wrong in the fight with Bee and Naruto.
So unless you’re willing to say 100% V2 9 Tails is weaker than 50% 9 Tails, then Minato’s feats disprove (Or at Worst Retcons) that previous interpretation. Also, Minato says that Mastering that Chakra gives only a “chance” at beating Obito. It’s not a foregone conclusion. It’s bare-minimum.
False. This only states Naruto “can”. It doesn’t mean Naruto “has”, and again, the one shot disabuses you of these notions.
And by how much stronger is this Obito vs YM Obito physically? Minato made him lose an arm and blood shoot from out his back around his spine/ribs. It could be that Obito being stronger is why he isn’t as badly hurt. I also remember a few people arguing he tanked this Naruto’s Rasengan to the face w/o Damage, which would negate your argument.
Ntm, again, the One Shot disproves he is stronger than Minato.
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Years later:
"Dont worry, Nagato, I'll make sure the nuclear threat is eliminated."
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Damn… Essay Wars round 2! 
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I mean honestly, this is all finished based on if 100% V2 9 Tails is stronger than 50% 9 Tails.
That’s all that matters here. It doesn’t even have to be a long debate.
That’s all that matters here. It doesn’t even have to be a long debate.
MinatoSparkle
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Ok I'm not having a full on Essay War P2 but I'm gonna respond to the key points.
Even if 100% V2 Kurama is stronger than 50% Kurama, that doesn't mean he's stronger than the Perfect Jinchuriki of 50% Kurama. Perfect Jinchuriki>Bijuu.The one shot clearly debunks this sentiment unless you think and want to argue that 100% V2’s are less than half the strength of their Biju, which is a notion that is proven wrong in the fight with Bee and Naruto.
So unless you’re willing to say 100% V2 9 Tails is weaker than 50% 9 Tails, then Minato’s feats disprove (Or at Worst Retcons) that previous interpretation.
Sure Minato wouldn't know exactly how strong KCM2 Naruto would be, just that he's stronger than 50% Kurama. But it's pretty obvious narrative intent proven by KCM2 Naruto showing relativity to Rinnegan Obito who's superior to YM Obito.
You're missing the point of my argument. I'm not saying that the fact that Naruto can surpass Minato means he did in KCM2, but the fact that his figure grew to be indistinguishable from Minato's means he did, which is what the statement I sent is referring to. And while other things like the greater narrative are debatable, it's just blatant that Kakashi deadass thought he was seeing Minato due to Naruto's feat. That's just straight up equality if anything.
The actual spot that Minato hit wasn't damaged so badly considering it's a Rasengan as opposed to a simple headbutt. Both caused bleeding, Minato's Rasengan just caused somewhat more.
MinatoSparkle
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Beats MKCM Naruto too lowkey
MinatoSparkle
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I have to say, I didn't wake up today expecting to argue against Minato
HelloThere1089
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It's called treason buddy. And the cult is gonna come after you.
MinatoSparkle
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Joke's on you, I'm the leader of the Minato cult (I quite literally have "the president of the Minato cult" in my Discord about me
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HelloThere1089
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Bold of you to assume your subordinates won't turn on you.Joke's on you, I'm the leader of the Minato cult (I quite literally have "the president of the Minato cult" in my Discord about me
MinatoSparkle
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Bold of you to assume I don't have mind control devices in all of them
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Kushina is crazy strong and massively underrated. Kurama level speed, barriers, and chains while literally frickin' dying is utterly ridiculous.
MinatoSparkle
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Idk about speed since Kurama wasn't looking at her when she wrapped him up, but yeah she's broken
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I'm talking physical speed, she intercepted his claw.
Also pretty insane when you factor in that she knows all sorts of sealing Jutsu, might possibly know the Rasengan (how cool would that be?), may have a decent healing factor (if we assume she's just like Karin), and may or may not have some level of control over Kurama's chakra (would be weird if she has less grasp on it than Part I Naruto imo). Pretty underrated bag if she has all of this shit. Though obviously all of it is 100% speculative sadly.
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In light of Prescience, how do y'all think Boruto came accross FTG? I have stated my theory before, but what do y'all think? Boruto even mentioned Minato in chapter 4. And the database confirms Koji's involvement. The Database also says it's a slightly different version of FTG.
MinatoSparkle
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Oh sure but that's only 50% Kurama (still fast af just not 100% Kurama level)
I think what we do know of her is enough to place her very high in the verse. We pretty much get a direct statement of her being above Initial KCM Naruto from the man himself, and she should have most if not all of Minato's sealing jutsu.
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Kakashi Hiden novel iirc
Him and a prisoner but nothing happens cause she's a criminal and he's hokage
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Did I say 100% Kurama? Mb if I did cause that's not what I meant, though I don't think it matters much either way tbh. Insane feat regardless given her state at the time and allat.
Quite right.
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Sure, but in this case that means the question becomes: Naruto w/ Weaker Chakra and Unquantifiably better CC vs Minato w/ Stronger Chakra and Unquantifiably lesser CC.
Ok… you do realize that even if don’t argue the point and I grant you this, that doesn’t change Kishimoto’s writing of Minato in the One Shot and the new narrative implications that directly conflict with the previous narrative intent about Naruto/Minato dynamic. Right or wrong? It would be a retcon at worst. You cannot ignore the One Shot.
You are inflating the significance of that scene far too much. Yes, it emphasized Naruto’s speed but dude was mistaken due to Kakashi’s visage being obscured by Dust and Debris. The anime portrayal is not the same as the manga’s. It doesn’t carry the connotation you are trying to give it.
Refer above + It’s really not though. You are, as they say, “Putting dubs on it” or, “Gassing it”…
Bro… you clearly see blood shooting through the skin from around the rib cage/spine, as well as bruising. Are we really saying that EVERYTHING that happens to Obito is > Minato? Is Kakashi now > Minato’s Rasengan? Kakashi’s Punch to the face > BM Naruto’s Headbutt > Minato’s Rasengan?
Come on…
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Boruto asked about Teleportation (STN) thinking of his Grandpa and Sasuke in a future teaches it to him. Hell, if Delta has all of her memories from Amadou’s cloning, I wouldn’t be surprised if Koji has all of Jiraiya’s.
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Yeah this was part of my theory.
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@MinatoSparkle
I mean, instead of going back and forth, let me just ask you these questions:
I mean, instead of going back and forth, let me just ask you these questions:
- Are 100% V2’s weaker than more than half of power of their Biju?
- Do you disagree with Minato’s feats in the OS suggesting he scales to or above 100% V2 Kurama in Chakra Strength?
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When was this?
HelloThere1089
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No reason to assume so
Not really since it's an incomplete Bijuudama. I think Minato's Rasengan>V2 Kurama's physicals is fine, and possibly KCM2 Naruto's physicals, but no reason for it to be above KCM2 Naruto's Rasengan
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why minato scale kcm2 narutoNo hay razón para suponer eso
En realidad no, ya que es un Bijuudama incompleto. Creo que el Rasengan de Minato > el físico de Kurama V2 está bien, y posiblemente el físico de Naruto KCM2, pero no hay razón para que esté por encima del Rasengan de Naruto KCM2.
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Ok, so let me ask this now…
If I say, Minato has stronger Chakra than Naruto w/ 50% Kurama based on the OS feats. False statement or misguided statement?
MinatoSparkle
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V2 is portrayed as not that far below the full Bijuu with how the Edo V2 jinchuriki can press BM Bee, and 100% Kurama>KCM2 Naruto
Wdym by stronger chakra
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Naruto scale on Raikage>what is bee BM>biju V2 minato if I don't see how to base minato scale
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I look at the feat as Minato’s Chakra overpowering and suppressing the totality of 100% V2 9 Tails Chakra.
- Minato’s Seal + Kushina’s Chains helped prevent the “complete” unravelling of the Seal.
- V2 Kurama was at 9 Tails (Unsuppressed Chakra).
- Minato’s Projected Chakra has to overpower Kurama's and push it back into the seal to suppress the form (Rasengan + TBB Clash).
False or Misguided?
