people will find anyway to downplay it
Who said they aren't 4D? Everyone accepts that Kaguya's dimensions are spacetimes aka 4D. They're just not confirmed to be universal in size which is why they can't slap a low 2C by default.
is he strong enough to harm Jiraiya , sure
This is very, very wrong.
Eh you could say that but I was referring to a mention of Naruto learning KM0 in the timeskip anyways
It does say instantly, might just be that he chooses not to use it that much
Hm maybe, I have thought that before, I feel like the evidence for that is a little vague since he seems to be in a rage whenever he uses those
This seems pretty at will
I've called the Rasengan S rank before too
I'd say even Base PA Naruto has good chances and at least has better stats. With him getting fighting amps, a large mental amp from meeting Kushina, improved chakra control thanks to bonding with Kurama (which even allowed him to finally use a one handed Rasengan), the ability to use Super Oodama Rasengan, etc., he should be cleaning Jiraiya up handily. Jiraiya's hax is really good, but I don't think it's enough to overcome the disparity in other areas.
Nah, Zetsu Yamato is Edo Hiruzen level+, who's essentially Hiruzen without ailments from old age (like Edo Itachi in a sense).
Kakashi > Kaguya Is not a contentious topic.Dam Kakashi's Birthday Columns have quite a few scaling statements
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BoS Naruto/BoS Sakura~BoS Kakashi (again intuitive but nice that it's said so directly)
PA Kakashi lowkey compared to Jiraiya (the wording comes off as "Kakashi put up a good fight against an opponent even Jiraiya couldn't defeat")
Obito's implied to have had killing intent against Kakashi?
WA Kakashi comparable to KCM Minato (albeit a low on chakra KCM Minato given that he ran out of KCM not too long after this, and Kakashi is presented as comparable to Base Minato too)?
Naruto~Kaguya
Overwhelmed Kaguya
The Goat himself.Dam Kakashi's Birthday Columns have quite a few scaling statements
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BoS Naruto/BoS Sakura~BoS Kakashi (again intuitive but nice that it's said so directly)
PA Kakashi lowkey compared to Jiraiya (the wording comes off as "Kakashi put up a good fight against an opponent even Jiraiya couldn't defeat")
Obito's implied to have had killing intent against Kakashi?
WA Kakashi comparable to KCM Minato (albeit a low on chakra KCM Minato given that he ran out of KCM not too long after this, and Kakashi is presented as comparable to Base Minato too)?
Naruto~Kaguya
Overwhelmed Kaguya
It is, there are a plethora of ways to argue against Kakashi blitzing her
Yes, because it's kind of extremely difficult to counter Dual Kamui with superior speed.
That doesn't really seem to be what it's saying but sure you could interpret it like that to avoid contradictionYes, Naruto went “toe-to-toe” with Kaguya, but she was holding back bc she wanted their chakra and he got quickly overpowered.
Who?
Oh yeah, they clapped mans up in the Kirigakura Clan war Arc
Wait, there was a CLAN WAR?
When she started going for the kill, she was already starting to dip in Chakra as BZ started Cautioning her to conserve strength and just kill them.
There really isn’t any evidence that there was a passage of several hours and definitely bo proof time scales equally dimension to dimension. Also, Kaguya was clapping the clones easily, it was just a lot of them.
Context brother, Naruto & Sasuke only started being able to threaten Kaguya as she dipped in power. We’re told her abilities use a lot of Chakra and she spams them.
naa she wasn't dipped in power when boil release overpowered her or when she had to run coz the clones were about to uzumaki barrage her
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4-B Kaguya (this is useless and I'm wasting my time 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥)
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One Instance of Boil Release and all it did was push her back (And note it was “after” this BZ told her to just kill them instead). She came back and started destroying his clones like Paper Mâché, and this was while weaker.
It's funny coz the best kaguya did in that fight was push naruto back. Naruto clones always have questionable durability when he makes a large number it's for distraction. Like literally the only person that never suffered damage in that battle was naruto.
I don't think it's a oneshot gap but she is above. But that's just taking it like SOSP mode naruto vs kaguya. The clones and amps are still like part of his arsenal. Even his BIQ is a factor. It still ends up with naruto going toe to toe even if it is with his amps. I honestly just thing sasuke was below both naruto and kaguya, even without naruto using his avatar which should be his strongest form he still did better
This is why, if you reread my original response, I say Context Matters.
ngl you just said all this and tagged the wrong person. I didn't argue with you that they were equaled. I disagreed with your point that all the time naruto went toe to toe with her she was low on chakra hence why i said "naa she wasn't low on chakra when he used boil released or when he uzumaki barraged her"
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More like a Clan waged war on the Village but was ultimately defeated. I somewhat skipped that arc, but yeah.
