Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Godernet]

So then that'd make BoS Kakashi level characters Sub-Rel+ to Rel??

Sub rel Kakashi isn’t ridiculous at all,

But for all we know in the manga he could've used Raikiri to amp his arm speed (if it works like that which I'm a bit unsure of), or already had his arms in position to block it before he landed.

That gets into being overtly skeptical if you have to add factors

The point is that slower characters are faster than lightning based on some calcs

Except they aren’t, unless you are Rel - Rel+ you aren’t fully “faster than lightning.”

Hell the return strokes of lightning can go up to 2/3rds the speed of light(Rel+)

No slower character is faster than lightning because of the calcs. Just varying degrees of lightning speed.

Um...none of those characters are remotely close to jonin level,

Minato is a literal Jounin at the time

I'm not saying the verse caps at MHS+

I don’t think you think that, I think you’re just overanalyzing statements without taking a look at how fast lightning can really get.

No one on Nard wiki that should be lightning speed via statements is fully faster than it by real world definitions.

Which? And for what version?

Base Kid Nard(it would be post Final Valley) iirc

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Where do you think JJK top tiers cap at in the Narutoverse?

Tbh, Sukuna (Sans Hax) is Jonin Level. That says a lot.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Tbh, Sukuna (Sans Hax) is Jonin Level. That says a lot.

Nah he can solo nard with the Nard soloing technique that he didn't use since the hein era

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Nah he can solo nard with the Nard soloing technique that he didn't use since the hein era

Bruh wasn’t even serious yet

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Bruh wasn’t even serious yet

Fr bro can even sneez shibai out of existence use his anit-shibai technique

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Sub rel Kakashi isn’t ridiculous at all,

Kinda is given how high the bar is for LS characters, and he's not several times faster than Hebi Sasuke or Darui

That gets into being overtly skeptical if you have to add factors

We also can't assume that his arms were to his side

Except they aren’t, unless you are Rel - Rel+ you aren’t fully “faster than lightning.”

Hell the return strokes of lightning can go up to 2/3rds the speed of light(Rel+)

No slower character is faster than lightning because of the calcs. Just varying degrees of lightning speed.

The problem is that there's no reason for the databook to refer to different values with the word lightning speed, so it having a range irl isn't very relevant. Idek if it having variable speed is widely known.

Minato is a literal Jounin at the time

Bruh, tell me you're not serious SPSM Naruto is a genin, Minato being a jonin doesn't limit his strength to jonin level. He's even beyond Kage level.

I don’t think you think that, I think you’re just overanalyzing statements without taking a look at how fast lightning can really get.

I'm just saying Narutoverse lightning speed~Hebi Sasuke/False Darkness/Black Panther>>Jonin level

No one on Nard wiki that should be lightning speed via statements is fully faster than it by real world definitions.

Base Kid Nard(it would be post Final Valley) iirc

Is it from the anime or a movie? Doesn't really matter in that case.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I find it quite disconcerting that EMS Madara's Legged Susanoo is rated as 44,000 times stronger than Edo Madara's Legged Susanoo

 

[karo_senpaii]

VE?

your refering to kamui? and also why does it powernull/negate all ninjutsu but with EE it only says ninjutsu?

Verse equalisation

It doesn't only say ninjustu. It's says matter, space time

 

[SlendVeny]

But I mean isn't MHS+ jonin based on upscaling from Kakuzu's False Darkness? That's a bigger problem imo, since Kakashi is much faster than most jonin and he was probably using Shunshin to get to his comrades as quickly as possible. Might've been Raikiri amped too if he already had it activated.

We also have regular MHS based on Genin Neji scaling.

 

[SlendVeny]

Tbh, Sukuna (Sans Hax) is Jonin Level. That says a lot.

Sukuna vs the 5 Kage at the 5 Kage Summit was a real match back in the day.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Kinda is given how high the bar is for LS characters, and he's not several times faster than Hebi Sasuke or Darui

We also can't assume that his arms were to his side

The problem is that there's no reason for the databook to refer to different values with the word lightning speed, so it having a range irl isn't very relevant. Idek if it having variable speed is widely known.

Bruh, tell me you're not serious SPSM Naruto is a genin, Minato being a jonin doesn't limit his strength to jonin level. He's even beyond Kage level.

I'm just saying Narutoverse lightning speed~Hebi Sasuke/False Darkness/Black Panther>>Jonin level

Is it from the anime or a movie? Doesn't really matter in that case.

I think you need to remove this notion that akatsuki or people like hebi sasuke are so far above high level jonin that they would blitz them. In truth they are like relative in speed and they have feats to back them up. Some are even faster. What makes the akatsuki so unique and far above them is their techniques and jutsu in their disposal. There is nothing wrong with their speed being similar tbh.
The facts are kakashi as well as a good number of jonin can keep up with people like hebi sasuke and akatsuki members I speed with no problem. I'm pretty sure asuma had zero issues with speed fighting hidan and kakuzu. They just can't match the rest of their arsenal.

Also for that first statement the difference between sub rel and sol is over 50 times. Sub rel is definitely not a high bar for someone hyped to be so fast as to run and cut lightning as a kid

 

[SlendVeny]

I think you need to remove this notion that akatsuki or people like hebi sasuke are so far above high level jonin that they would blitz them. In truth they are like relative in speed and they have feats to back them up. Some are even faster. What makes the akatsuki so unique and far above them is their techniques and jutsu in their disposal. There is nothing wrong with their speed being similar tbh.
The facts are kakashi as well as a good number of jonin can keep up with people like hebi sasuke and akatsuki members I speed with no problem. I'm pretty sure asuma had zero issues with speed fighting hidan and kakuzu. They just can't match the rest of their arsenal.

Also for that first statement the difference between sub rel and sol is over 50 times. Sub rel is definitely not a high bar for someone hyped to be so fast as to run and cut lightning as a kid

This is kinda true. If someone wanted to rock with the Akatsuki off pure stats, they'd at least need to be able to wrestle a V2 Jinchuuriki bare-handed.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Where do you think JJK top tiers cap at in the Narutoverse?

Like chunin level to Jonin level in terms overall physical stats. And kage level with hax. Excluding outliers like. YUKIS BLACK HOLE 🕳

 

[Kircdaaa]

Go to Hagoromo's profile, it the most up to date. That will give you all the things TSO can do and more

okey. is there a difference between narutos and hagoromo TSO?

 

[Kircdaaa]

It's says matter, space time

no space time on narutos TSO profile ''Can erase Ninjutsu, people, and matter''

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

okey. is there a difference between narutos and hagoromo tso?

Nah its the same. All TSO are the same even ETSO

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

no space time on narutos TSO profile ''Can erase Ninjutsu, people, and matter''

Nards profile is outdated

 

[KingogKings777]

no space time on narutos TSO profile ''Can erase Ninjutsu, people, and matter''

Doesn't erase space time only space iirc.

 

[Kircdaaa]

Nards

why does everyone say nards & sauce were did that come from lol

 

[KaydeeX]

Bro got Supersonic Large Town level Akatsuki

that’s my personal scale, not based of the wiki

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

why does everyone say nards & sauce were did that come from lol

don't know where it started, I just call him that

 

[SlendVeny]

that’s my personal scale, not based of the wiki

L, just make the number higher, easy.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

L, just make the number higher, easy.

Based

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Gojo and Sukuna are almost certainly above Supersonic just from massively upscaling from Cursya

For sure

 

[HelloThere1089]

What about Chainsaw man? How far do they go?

 

[Testarossa002]

In a jerk off contest?

 

[HelloThere1089]

In a jerk off contest?

Peak fiction.

Nah, in a fight.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

What about Chainsaw man? How far do they go?

I think chainsaw top tiers have better speed then jjk so they probably do a lot better. Gun,falling, darkness and true chainsaw devil might be peak jonnin to low kage

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

What about Chainsaw man? How far do they go?

Top tiers are like high Jonin to Kage, they still struggle with speed though, but they have better or more easily usable hax.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

In a jerk off contest?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

We also have regular MHS based on Genin Neji scaling.

Based on the site stats sure

I think you need to remove this notion that akatsuki or people like hebi sasuke are so far above high level jonin that they would blitz them. In truth they are like relative in speed and they have feats to back them up. Some are even faster. What makes the akatsuki so unique and far above them is their techniques and jutsu in their disposal. There is nothing wrong with their speed being similar tbh.

Base BoS Sasuke blitzed Naruto and Sakura, 3T Hebi Sasuke blitzed Suigetsu and Jugo (not just with Shunshin either since he wrapped them with snakes) and almost blitzed Deidara, Sasori blitzed Sakura, Kakuzu blitzed Asuma and in his merged state seemed to blitz Kakashi Ino and Choji, Gaara's sand perception blitzed Cee, Minato blitzed Mahiru, 3T Itachi blitzed Kakashi, no one seemed to see V1 Ay dashing away from Jugo's blasts, Armless Orochimaru blitzed Yamato, I could go on and on there are a ridiculous number of blitzes that Kage level characters perform on High Jonin level and higher characters.

The facts are kakashi as well as a good number of jonin can keep up with people like hebi sasuke and akatsuki members I speed with no problem. I'm pretty sure asuma had zero issues with speed fighting hidan and kakuzu. They just can't match the rest of their arsenal.

Asuma is one of the strongest jonin and Hidan is the slowest Akatsuki member, not very analogous. And he couldn't even keep up with Base Kakuzu who I'd argue is the second slowest member.

Also for that first statement the difference between sub rel and sol is over 50 times. Sub rel is definitely not a high bar for someone hyped to be so fast as to run and cut lightning as a kid

Considering how many speed gaps there are between Early Shippuden Kakashi and Kirin/KM0 Mifune/P1 Itachi, it kinda is. Also either way that doesn't change my point later in the comment about lightning speed.

 

[KaydeeX]

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This is what we gonna watch till 2028

 

[Oreo166]

Say, correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s something I’ve never understood:

Why isn’t 8th Gate Guy — at least with Night Guy — considered FTL for literally warping space with his mere speed?

 

[HelloThere1089]

Say, correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s something I’ve never understood:

Why isn’t 8th Gate Guy — at least with Night Guy — considered FTL for literally warping space with his mere speed?

1. Can you give me the scan where it says his speed caused the space to bend.
2. Also give me the calc that puts bending space at FTL.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

profiles r outdated

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

1. Can you give me the scan where it says his speed caused the space to bend.
2. Also give me the calc that puts bending space at FTL.

I think the DB attributed the bending of space to his Chakra and not his speed…

Can’t fully remember though. Someone will have to pull the DB Raws.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The databook implies the power is what bends space, but the Quiz Book kinda implies speed is the bigger factor so maybe it's both

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

The databook implies the power is what bends space, but the Quiz Book kinda implies speed is the bigger factor so maybe it's both

Well, the Quiz Book says, “Speed and Effort”.

Idk if that matters though.

Edit: Just reread it. There is no comma between, “Effort Enough”, so the reference isn’t in regard to speed nor does it draw an equivalence between Speed and the Effort that is bending space.

 

[SlendVeny]

Well, the Quiz Book says, “Speed and Effort”.

Idk if that matters though.

Edit: Just reread it. There is no comma between, “Effort Enough”, so the reference isn’t in regard to speed nor does it draw an equivalence between Speed and the Effort that is bending space.

Bro literally went "What's in your way? Space? Uh, why don't you just try harder?"

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Well, the Quiz Book says, “Speed and Effort”.

Idk if that matters though.

Edit: Just reread it. There is no comma between, “Effort Enough”, so the reference isn’t in regard to speed nor does it draw an equivalence between Speed and the Effort that is bending space.

You could read it as either speed and effort enough or speed and effort enough