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I think a Boros calculation for melting or vaporizing the surface to like High 6-A+ like 10s of exaton range.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
HelloThere1089
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So something like this?
One-Punch Man: Boros' Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon
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Yeah seems like a dud calc.
One thing I've noticed is that Momoshiki distinguishes between seedbed (which context wise seems to be the planet) and nursery:
However, I don't know how fruitful this can be given that we have barely any context for either word
One thing I've noticed is that Momoshiki distinguishes between seedbed (which context wise seems to be the planet) and nursery:
However, I don't know how fruitful this can be given that we have barely any context for either word
HelloThere1089
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Vaporization end might yield moon lvl ngl but good luck justifying it.
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Yeah which is why I gave up, there's no real way for me to justify it other than 'well, other times the attack was used everything was vaporized.' I guess there might be ways to do it, but I don't have the patience or will to try to figure out how
MinatoSparkle
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Ur mom's unnecessaryNah. The Boruto lore is fine. They chose a lane, and stayed the course. The problems deals with Kishimoto’s ** up regarding Kaguya’s lore. Minato’s Story was cool, but tbh unnecessary. There was a opportunity to have Kishimoto fix his ** up, but we as a fandom fumbled.
Out of, not between
HelloThere1089
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It's been a while since I last saw you defending your Goat
None really. The best argument I'm thinking is to look for Kishimoto's involvement and argue that it could serve as support material for stuff that it doesn't contradict. If we can prove all retcons to simply be cosmetic (
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Don't know who that is, but I was going off the limited Tsukuyomi thing
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HelloThere1089
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Do yall think Kurama is gonna stay immune to Omnipotence? It would be a real bummer if he does since he wasn't immune against IT.
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At this point anything is possible
HelloThere1089
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Both BM Naruto and Isshiki suffered from an acute case of IQ negation. Isshiki didn't lead with Daikokuten even though it's a ranged ability and BM Naruto didn't grapple Isshiki and decided to punch him even though his ability is contact based.
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Was he trying to just one shot Isshiki lmao
HelloThere1089
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Who knows. And his first punch should've proven to Naruto that even with BM he just ain't that guy. He should've just judo slammed him and used some good old groundwork on him.
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Momoshiki dimension creation thing idk
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I don't care about how we treat the dimension creation thing for Momoshiki, I just calced it for fun, now have fun looking at it.
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Personally, I think offscreen creation feats should be treated as instant.
I don't think a hypothetical character A is spending years creating a dimension
Since this wiki is a more conservative one, it doesn't really work that way here.
Hence the use of assumed timeframes
For example, Chaos from SDS
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I don’t see why that matters when he was out for blood
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Kakazu Hunts Another Jinchuriki
Tenchi Bridge Arc Naruto is used, and Kyubi amps are allowed Battle takes place where Kakazu fought Yugito Boruto's Dad: 5 (@MinatoSparkle, @That_moron2, @Shadowbokunohero, @Padaruyos, @TegamiBachi25) Raw Durability: Goku Solos Both:
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He's only LS when reflecting between mirrors
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So, I’ve been thinking about Naruto’s Rasengan Barrage and I think the way we handle it is kinda nonsensical. Let me explain…
Yes, we know that the Databook says its > 2x because the inverse rotations, but sans the rotations… doesn't the wiki count simultaneous attacks like this as additive?
Like, we distinguish between two of the same attacks hitting back-to-back, vs two of the same attacks hitting at the same time, right?
So in this case, regardless of inverse rotations, Rasengan Barrage would still be 2x for striking at the same time versus 2 back-to-back strikes, which is not accepted as 2x.
Yes, we know that the Databook says its > 2x because the inverse rotations, but sans the rotations… doesn't the wiki count simultaneous attacks like this as additive?
Like, we distinguish between two of the same attacks hitting back-to-back, vs two of the same attacks hitting at the same time, right?
So in this case, regardless of inverse rotations, Rasengan Barrage would still be 2x for striking at the same time versus 2 back-to-back strikes, which is not accepted as 2x.
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isn’t him reflecting off of a mirror supposed to increase his speed?
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Increases his speed but that's not the part of the jutsu that's light speed
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that's still not bad I thought it might be lower if anything
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but canon Dragon Ball is low 1-C
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It is, that’s the whole point of his keakki genkai. He reflects off of mirrors at LS speeds. He traps them in a dome of mirrors so he can hit them from every side. Just because he might not have another mirror to catch him shouldn’t make him magically slower
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MinatoSparkle
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That is an assumption. For all we know, it's a property of the mirrors to reflect off of each other at LS, but aren't LS when just coming out of them. It'd be very inconsistent to say Base Guy and Lee are LS, when even people like Tsunade are injured by moving at LS, and Kirin is so hyped up as undodgeable due to being LS.
Idk site standards but I would agree multiple attacks hitting at the same time is a relatively proportional amp to the number of attacks
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I'm so pissed off right now you could ask me to defend 2-C naruto in a thread and i would probably be able to get it accepted
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no it’t not, its never stated nor implied he needs to go threw multiple mirrors to achieve LS. Not really, it just mean they have strong bodies. The raikage can survive being moved at those speeds but that doesn’t make him stronger than her. The fact that a partially blind/sick/ injured itachi could even react to a supposedly unavoidable attack already makes the hype sus
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Sorta, let me give you a better example.
- Character A has a slap that imparts 10,000 Joules.
- Character A Slaps Character B on the Head, imparting 10,000 Joules, 1 second later, slaps Character B on the head again.
- Character A slaps Character B with BOTH hands on the head at the same time.
So to tie it back into the Rasengan Barrage question, even though the Databook says the attack is >2x because of Inverse Rotations, even if the inverse Rotations were not applicable, hitting with two Rasengans at the same time would still be 2x (Minus the “>”) ANYWAYS, going by the simultaneously example above.
Hopefully that’s not confusing.
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Yeah, I'm with @The_one_you_least_expect here
There are multiple plausible counter arguments to this
1. The LS transportation stuff with Mabui can be just due to it being "travel speed" rather than short bursts of movement.
Same way flash can die (not stamina issues. He was literally getting burnt to death) by running at Mach 7 multiple times around the earth even though he can move short distances in picoseconds
2. Guy and Lee don't necessarily need to be LS to react and kick Haku
3. Even if they were, it can be chalked down to them being that high due to war arc buffs as we saw with Kakashi
4. There's also the less nice option of chalking it as an outlier for Lee and Guy. We already do the same for Sasuke and Naruto during the initial arc
5. Kirin isn't even a limiter perse. It works as a cap for nearly everything shown in the series prior. As I explained in the original thread, BZ isn't some kind of omnipotent source of information. Otherwise, we'll be applying the cap to characters like Juubi Jin Hagoromo. Further backed up by us seeing Itachi counter the same jutsu a few pages later
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I can see what you mean but I want to see Minato's response.
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I think we only accept that as true if the attacks fuse together. I think we explicitly do not accept that multiple separate attacks occurring concurrently is a multiplier.
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So, basically it would depend on the feat and how its portrayed. In your opinion, how would a feat like this qualify under verse standards?
You have all 9 hitting simultaneously at roughly the same point, making 1 impact, not 9 separate impacts.
This is essentially the same principle as this, but with 9 instead of two. And as stated before, the databook says its power is >2x because of the inverse rotations but then this leads into the original question I asked above.
MinatoSparkle
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What the databook says is that Haku can move between mirrors at the speed of light, not into or out of.
My point is not scaling durability, but that it heavily suggests Tsunade herself is slower than light, probably to a significant degree. And the Sannin are far faster than Base Guy, considering even 6th Gate Guy is only marginally faster than clone nerfed KCM Naruto, who's pretty much in the ballpark of the Gokage or a little higher (given his performance against the Edo Kage). The Sannin having consistent scaling to the Kage (the last thing's not direct but Suigetsu considers Oro a threat to Sasuke despite seeing him battle against Ay and Gaara). If Tsunade's multiple Gates faster than Guy, she really should not be ripped apart by a speed he can handily intercept.
Itachi couldn't dodge it, he just mentally activated an ability. And my point is not that Kirin is literally undodgeable, but that it being considered such makes it being reactable to by the likes of Base Guy and Lee very illogical.
I think that's a fair argument, but it's implied that the Raikage are the only ones who can be safely transported with it period, not just over long distances. Also Tsunade and Ay seem to be in pain even before they've been transported out of the room, as if just the build up to LS is too much for them.
Sure but their speed would need to be relativistic at least, which they are not (at least in base, I'm fine with them being around LS with higher Gates).
See what I said above about even 6th Gate Guy only being like Sannin/Gokage level+ in speed
I mean you could do that but reinterpreting if you can reasonably is preferable to just calling things outliers
Either way, Base Guy and Lee (at least Guy prior to the Obito fight where he becomes MKCM Naruto level for some reason) are not intercepting something that almost blitzed Itachi. Or even something that Hebi Sasuke deems undodgeable.
I mean I don't have a big stake in it, it's just that thinking about it, if you're applying 2 of the same attack to the same area with say 100 TT of force each, that area would be on the receiving end of 200 TT of total energy, even if it's not as concentrated as it would be if it was the surface area of one attack. Also with stuff like the Rasengan Barrage, the Rasengan explosions do tend to merge.
