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I mean, you're surrounded by fodder, and the two strongest of the fodder who are also the most important people in the village, who you've already beaten before, and are likely the only people around who know where Kawaki is, so you take them somewhere and beat them until they tell you where he is because you pm have no other choice.
Cool. What about sealing one of them and interrogating the other? Even better sealing anybody ever on screen? What about sealing them for now, try rampaging the village, and then release them if that doesn't work? Why risk fighting when you have 1 day to live?
ofc not, he didn't really have an in-depth plan, but it was the only thing he had, bro was desperate.
I agree.
 
Thinking about all this conversation, Kawaki and Isshiki should have resistance to time stopping in their profiles, Kawaki could move in the daikokuten, he could also see Momo in the stopped time after he recovered his Otsutsuki powers.
profiles need some work but yeah they should. Hag who has it scales from them and sasuke
 
The Resistance to TS Sasuke showed isn’t specific. It’s literally attributed to just having the Rinnegan.
Think about the fact that rinnengan abilties are specific to their orignal owner and no one else. The only shared thing is the six path of pain abilities. And it makes perfect sense for sasuke since his abilities are space time related
 
Not really sure about that part but kawaki has his own feats of moving in the timeless dimension
But Kawaki moving in the time dimension is more likely a privilege for Kawaki being the owner of the dimension, rather than him just being able to move in any stopped time.
 
Think about the fact that rinnengan abilties are specific to their orignal owner and no one else. The only shared thing is the six path of pain abilities. And it makes perfect sense for sasuke since his abilities are space time related
Is Madara's Limbo and Summon Big Rocks?
 
Did he really stop time when Kawaki sensed Momoshiki?
Well, yes, Sasuke says he was feeling the same thing he felt when he first saw Momo after death, the "smoke" was also appearing, which indicates that time was stopped, I don't remember any time Momo appeared without stopping time.
 
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Is Madara's Limbo and Summon Big Rocks?
Madara's rinnegan ability is to have massive balls that he can drop at anyone's face:
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But Kawaki moving in the time dimension is more likely a privilege for Kawaki being the owner of the dimension, rather than him just being able to move in any stopped time.
I present to you kaguya who was affected by the gravity in her dimension even while being the owner. It just goes to show that laws are laws. Plus kawaki eye was not even active when he was inside
Is Madara's Limbo and Summon Big Rocks?
madara limbo is only for him and summon big rocks as i said is for everyone as it is one of the general abilities
 
Think about the fact that rinnengan abilties are specific to their orignal owner and no one else. The only shared thing is the six path of pain abilities. And it makes perfect sense for sasuke since his abilities are space time related
It’s not an Jutsu though. You would have a point if it were Jutsu of Sasuke’s (Which is the Comp you’re trying to make with other Rinnegan Jutsu), but that’s not the case.

His resistance is inherent via having a Rinnegan. It was never the byproduct of a Special Jutsu unique to his Rinnegan, ala Limbo for Madara, etc.
 
It’s not an Jutsu though. You would have a point if it were Jutsu of Sasuke’s (Which is the Comp you’re trying to make with other Rinnegan Jutsu), but that’s not the case.

His resistance is inherent via having a Rinnegan. It was never the byproduct of a Special Jutsu unique to his Rinnegan, ala Limbo for Madara, etc.
huh? you do realize seeing when time is stopped is an ability i.e a jutsu right? the resistance is just a byproduct
I was more so asking about Heaven Concealed rather than Planetary Devastation
you mean the stuff he pulls from the atmosphere or whatever? yeah that's probably general since edo rinnengan can only do the basic abilities. Just that pain could never have the chakra to pull such off
 
I'm not sure about the Summon part, I think it is a better application of the deva path universal pull.
How do you reconcile it not being ablated? For if it was pulled from space it would be lit ablaze upon entering the atmosphere.
 
huh? you do realize seeing when time is stopped is an ability i.e a jutsu right? the resistance is just a byproduct
That is not the case at all. By all means, prove it is a jutsu. Was the ability to see Limbo a “Jutsu” too? This is an irritating argument because it’s draws a false equivalence to ACTUAL Rinnegan Jutsu (Six Paths Jutsu, Limbo, Ameno, etc etc).
 
Tengai Shinsei is called the power of the sage of the six paths, so I think it is a basic ability of the Rinnegan, it must be done through one of the paths.
 
That is not the case at all. By all means, prove it is a jutsu. Was the ability to see Limbo a “Jutsu” too? This is an irritating argument because it’s draws a false equivalence to ACTUAL Rinnegan Jutsu (Six Paths Jutsu, Limbo, Ameno, etc etc).
It does not have to be named to be a jutsu come on. Yes, seeing limbo is an ability. It's why we index it as such. But let me go further. Madara could not absorb amaterasu when he lost his rinnengan but sasuke could still feel and sense momo exactly as when he had his rinnengan. That's further indication that it is specific to him
 
Like literally, the closest comp we have is the ability to “See” Madara’s Limbo’s in their Dimension. It wasn’t just specific to his Rinnegan eyes. It’s an inherent quality for the Rinnegan in-general.

Sasuke’s Statement.

Madara’s Statement.
Sasuke could feel time stopped, even after losing the Rinnegan, he seems to have some degree of resistance, but to see through time stopped he could only do so with the Rinnegan.
 
Sasuke could feel time stopped, even after losing the Rinnegan, he seems to have some degree of resistance, but to see through time stopped he could only do so with the Rinnegan.
I’m not surprised as he’s had the Rinnegan for Decades by that point. Possible risidual effect? Perhaps, but either way, the Rinnegan still is inherent in that ability to see through TS.
 
Was this statement used for upgrades before?

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"In an instant, it's being reduced...! The power is an order of magnitude greater than Jigen's...!"

~ Boruto NNG #48

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It does not have to be named to be a jutsu come on.
It’s not jutsu, period. For example, the Sharingan’s Pre-Cog or ability to see Chakra are not “Jutsu”. They are inherent qualities of the Sharingan. “Jutsu” in this case, would be Koto, Tsuki, Susanoo, Kamui, etc.

So yes, you are drawing a false equivalence when you attempt to assert inherent qualities are “Jutsu” here. It is not.

Yes, seeing limbo is an ability. It's why we index it as such. But let me go further. Madara could not absorb amaterasu when he lost his rinnengan.
Except we literally see him do just that as well as Absorb Nine-Tails Chakra. You point is invalid.
but sasuke could still feel and sense momo exactly as when he had his rinnengan.
Via Madara’s example, we know doujutsu abilities are not erased from the user’s catalog of abilities, just diminished. He had no Rinnegan but was still SHOWN using a diminished version of Preta. You literally have no standing here and I suggest you reread those parts of the war arc before continuing.
That's further indication that it is specific to him
Wrong. Read above.
 
Was this statement used for upgrades before?

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"In an instant, it's being reduced...! The power is an order of magnitude greater than Jigen's...!"

~ Boruto NNG #48

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Ngl that kinda just seems like a hyperbole of sorts at first glance.
 
Was this statement used for upgrades before?

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"In an instant, it's being reduced...! The power is an order of magnitude greater than Jigen's...!"

~ Boruto NNG #48

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He’s talking about Isshiki’s Doujutsu being 10x better than when Jigen used it. That has nothing to do with a stat amp.
 
Ngl that kinda just seems like a hyperbole of sorts at first glance.
it's absolutely not a hyperbole, I can get thinking it's regarding the dojutsu but given Kishimoto's portrayal of power difference being highlighted it doesnt seem like hyperbole or flowery language, it straight up says he's a digit above jigen

whether its in power level or ability quality is to be decided
 
Yeah but they mention 'power' of Jigen which makes me question if it shouldn't be discarded
Power definitional refers to the capability to do something. “The American people hold the power to vote.” Being an example in which it doesn’t refer to raw AP. Another wiki pertinent example being our “Power & Ability Sections”, as in using power synonymously with abilities. So, when Koji talks about “Isshiki’s power is 10x better”, Isshiki’s power here is his Doujutsu abilities, as evident by the context.
 
It’s not jutsu, period. For example, the Sharingan’s Pre-Cog or ability to see Chakra are not “Jutsu”. They are inherent qualities of the Sharingan. “Jutsu” in this case, would be Koto, Tsuki, Susanoo, Kamui, etc.

So yes, you are drawing a false equivalence when you attempt to assert inherent qualities are “Jutsu” here. It is not.


Except we literally see him do just that as well as Absorb Nine-Tails Chakra. You point is invalid.

Via Madara’s example, we know doujutsu abilities are not erased from the user’s catalog of abilities, just diminished. He had no Rinnegan but was still SHOWN using a diminished version of Preta. You literally have no standing here and I suggest you reread those parts of the war arc before continuing.

Wrong. Read above.

I can't believe you don't see the flaw in your arguments. those jutsu you mentioned are literally abilities. I dare you to name the jutsu madara uses to distinguish clones from original or should we slap it on all sharingan users coz it is a trait?

Also my bad i used a basic rinnengan ability as an example. The point is seeing in time stop is an ability strictly to sasuke as it is not a basic rinnengan ability
 
Power definitional refers to the capability to do something. “The American people hold the power to vote.” Being an example in which it doesn’t refer to raw AP. Another wiki pertinent example being our “Power & Ability Sections”, as in using power synonymously with abilities. So, when Koji talks about “Isshiki’s power is 10x better”, Isshiki’s power here is his Doujutsu abilities, as evident by the context.
I feel like it can be interpreted as power increase in a general sense, that makes more sense than just the ability shrinking faster


Right after that statement Koji uses a stronger jutsu intended to deal greater physical damage implying to us that it was about his overall power/ap
 
I feel like it can be interpreted as power increase in a general sense, that makes more sense than just the ability shrinking faster


Right after that statement Koji uses a stronger jutsu intended to deal greater physical damage implying to us that it was about his overall power/ap
No it’s blatantly talking about the Doujutsu ability.
 
No it’s blatantly talking about the Doujutsu ability.
okay
what if one were to argue it's an overall 10x buff that resulted in the jutsu being more potent?
if hes abilities are 10x'd from increased chakra and power than his physicals should be 10x'd too no?
 
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