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Could Orochimaru at ANY point in the series, before gaining a Zetsu Body, “actually” react to Minato’s Shunshin Blitz?
Does his feats support that?
Does his feats support that?
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
MinatoSparkle
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Oddly specific question, but if you mean Hokage Minato, no. Shunshin Minato>>FP Kurama~Madara's Susanoo~/>Rinnegan Obito~KCM2 Naruto>>>KCM Naruto>>PA SM Naruto>SM Jiraiya~/>P1 Orochimaru>Any other pre-WA Orochimaru
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uhh prob not, unless you argue orochimaru= Hiruzen who > the five gokage statement, which includes Ay
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Jiraiya’s method of Genjutsu Negation only works on Genjutsu that is lower than MS Genjutsu, huh?
MinatoSparkle
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I think he means the Genjutsu Dispelling lesson that Jiraiya taught Naruto, that it only works on non MS Genjutsu
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The Method of Genjutsu Negation he taught Naruto, “Stoping the Flow of Chakra then Ramping it up again”, that is only able to break Genjutsu that is lower on the totem pole than MS level Genjutsu, right?
Obviously Naruto wasn’t able to break Itachi’s because Itachi had SIGNIFICANTLY better CC than him at that time, but still. A general principle if you will.
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HelloThere1089
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I thought Kawaki was very cool when he blasted a half dead amputee.
MinatoSparkle
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I think it can theoretically work against MS genjutsu, it's just significantly harder, at least outside of specific techniques like Tsukuyomi and Kotoamatsukami
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I remember when Naruto turned a guy into a half-dead amputee.
HelloThere1089
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Like father like son fr.
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The future is looking good though imo. Koji has to have seen some good news. Konoha has:
- Boruto
- Kawaki
- Amado Tech
- Kurama-Hima
- Daemon/Eida
- Sarada’s MS
HelloThere1089
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What if they were smart and collected shinju from weaker villages before attacking Konoha again. I'm talking dozens.
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I see, because I was thinking that it’s fair to assume that when it comes to the basics, Jiraiya taught Naruto/Minato/Nagato the same things, Genjutsu Dispelling among them. And if this is the case, going along with what you said, if this method is only good for non-special MS techs, then based on what we have from Minato rn, he’d get cooked by higher Genjutsu, Tsukoyomi or higher.
I think it can theoretically work against MS genjutsu, it's just significantly harder, at least outside of specific techniques like Tsukuyomi and Kotoamatsukami
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Delta Army
Amadou creates Ninja Power Ranger transformers
Everyone in Konoha holds hands with Daemon
HelloThere1089
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Delta Army
Amadou creates Ninja Power Ranger transformers
Everyone in Konoha holds hands with Daemon
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It doesn't work against Sharingan genjutsu in general, not just MS genjutsu.
Remember the whole "if it's 1 on 1 against the Sharingan, you run" stuff? You need to have someone else break you out cause the normal method doesn't work.
MinatoSparkle
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Sure if Tsukuyomi landed Minato would be cooked
It wouldn't tho
It's clearly not the case that it's just an instant gg no matter what, otherwise Hashirama wouldn't have won all those battles against Madara, and we see Danzo dispel Sasuke's genjutsu (you could argue it's just cause of the seal but how'd he activate it if he was under genjutsu?). Obito also says Sasuke's genjutsu has no staying power and he wasn't sure if he could place Danzo under genjutsu in the first place.
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given hashirama developed the bringer of darkness jutsu, its very likely hashi has anti sharingan stuff we may not be aware of.
MinatoSparkle
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Sure but he didn't use those in cqc exchanges with Madara that we see
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If you can prove that Madara managed to trap Hashirama in a genjutsu and he successfully broke out, then sure. Otherwise, I think I'll stick to what's explicitly stated.
Danzo had the Sharingan, which allows you to dispel genjutsu, even that of another Sharingan.
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to be fair we also never saw madara use it on him
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Quick question. How many Mods do I need for a a CRT to be passed
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Is Jiraiya’s method widely known? Iirc, Chiyo’s statement wouldn’t apply to Jiraiya’s method if his method isn’t widely known (Sounds Crazy, Ik).
The reason I ask is because when Itachi rebounded Kurenai’s Genjutsu, she didn’t employ the same method, instead she used pain (Ala, Shikamaru) and outside of Itachi and Shisui, SHE was the worlds greatest Genjutsu user.
The reason I ask is because when Itachi rebounded Kurenai’s Genjutsu, she didn’t employ the same method, instead she used pain (Ala, Shikamaru) and outside of Itachi and Shisui, SHE was the worlds greatest Genjutsu user.
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You already got one so ig try to get another mod to say yes and it should pass onto their profiles
MinatoSparkle
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Let's be fr, they fought for well over a decade, it's not realistic at all to say he would've never used genjutsu in their hundreds of battles
This doesn't mean that it's the case for absolutely everyone, it can just be referring to a general rule of thumb, which is supported by the raws (二対一で挑むのが原則。一人が術に堕ちたら、仲間が術者を攻撃し解く。)
He had the Sharingan covered, and Sasuke didn't even know about it and was still uncertain about being able to trap him.
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Sasuke was kind of a bitch tho
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Shit, questioned > answered. But that begs the question… would the ability to absorb Nature Energy count towards the two person rule?
It’s not necessary to absorb enough to go into Sage Mode.
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Where do you get these in such good quality?
MinatoSparkle
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He got a mental debuff for being dumb.
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yeah I'm sure it applies to Sharingan levels under MS, maybe for 2 tomoe to 3 tomoe, and depends on the user
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Okay, so all I'm hearing is that you have no support for your claim.
And if we're being fr, the guy who spent his entire life fighting the Uchiha Clan probably knows not to look them in the eye...
I never claimed Madara never used genjutsu, but you need to prove that Hashirama fell victim to it AND broke out of it. Otherwise, your claim is completely baseless.
What do you think a general rule of thumb means, exactly?
And the statement is very conclusive. It's literally an objective source explaining all the ways to deal with genjutsu, and makes a point of differentiating between ocular and non-ocular genjutsu. Stop grasping at straws and just take the statements for what they clearly are.
He had Shisui's Sharingan covered, not the 69 other ones he had out.
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Let's be fr, they fought for well over a decade, it's not realistic at all to say he would've never used genjutsu in their hundreds of battles
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Let's be fr, they fought for well over a decade, it's not realistic at all to say he would've never used genjutsu in their hundreds of battles
