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Kishi needs to rehire the editors that helped carry Naruto at this point and go to a biweekly release for Boruto.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Funny thing is… Idt we see Uzuhiko again.
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Funny joke.Funny thing is… Idt we see Uzuhiko again.
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destructive capacity in boruto is so bad that I feel like if they lowered it anymore the characters would start creating things with their punches and kicks instead of destroying them
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Boruto has neither so what’s your point
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Fr. like Part 1 Naruto is no dragon ball in feats but its legit one of the best shounen story-wiseBoruto has neither so what’s your point
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Idk how the wiki treats multiple attacks launched at once
Sure but that's not particularly relevant when Kurama scales above BSM Naruto (Kurama~Madara>Sasuke~Naruto)
They definitely have large amps, that's what trump card ninjutsu are, but it's the same source, differences shouldn't be too huge.
Not equal, but not worlds apart
It's not unsubstantiated though. It does involve emotions, making it somewhat different from normal TSOs, but that's the only true difference besides just the shape, hence the level or two of upgrading. I'd agree it's not some clear cut 100% thing, but it's not some huge leap either like you're making it out to be, hence High 6-A Kurama not being particularly strange.
He is
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I have almost no idea what your arguing abt but at this point why not do a crt to settle things?
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So Naruto got a permanent mental amp?
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Lmao this kills the SM being a 10x multiplier argument entirely.
MinatoSparkle
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Because the wiki has standards that High 6-A Kurama doesn't meet
Pretty much. Kinda like hatred amps for Uchiha
Just makes 100% Kurama exponentially stronger than 50% Kurama, as the size difference suggests. 50% Kurama is closer to SM Naruto than EMS Madara lol
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Idk if anyone has thought of this before but...why can't we use the differences in AP/Speed between different forms, modes, power-ups to get some rough multipliers for them that can be used later?
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How would you guys feel if Shibai was Amado in disguise and his back story was ***** and giggles, he used Omnipotence to trick Eida’s Senrigan and that his “daughter” is actually Kaguya whom he is trying to revive?
The reason he doesn’t just use Omnipotence to revive Kaguya is because he isn’t at 100% to affect life and death atm and the reason he is diminished will be explained?
The reason he doesn’t just use Omnipotence to revive Kaguya is because he isn’t at 100% to affect life and death atm and the reason he is diminished will be explained?
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The only multipliers we have rn is 1st Gate being 5x in speed and power and Butterfly Mode being 100x strength. Curse Mark 2 is 10x but only on Sound 4 level characters.
I'd say Sage Mode should scale above 1st Gate at least but then unless you make 100% Kurama dozens of times stronger than his 50% Kurama form you still run into the issue of Madara being stronger than Sasuke who is comparable to BSM Naruto who is 50% Kurama + SM.
Also Sage Mode is absolutely not a 100x strength multiplier, Naruto can't even one shot Pain with it when his base is somewhat comparable to Tendo.
Bijuu Mode is replacing your Chakra with the Bijuu so it can't function as a multiplier.
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Hmm some material for 7-A War Arc Base Naruto.
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This would be horrible bro.if this is the end plot for all the years I stuck with boruto someone's gotta pay for my time
MinatoSparkle
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That'd be calc stacking
Bijuu Mode combines your chakra with the Bijuu. Unless Kurama is a Toneri rival?
I mean yeah that'd be pretty reasonable since WA Base Naruto>>Base PA Naruto>>RS Naruto>BoS Naruto<~Kakashi<~Kisame = 7-A
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Post Six Paths amp Kurama is not comparable at all to pre Six Paths Amp Kurama. Otherwise KCM would be a worthless power up in the Boruto era, it clearly isn't.
Regular Bijuu Mode does replace your Chakra with the Bijuu. This is how it works for like everyone besides Naruto.
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no but naruto mentions training his sage mode briefly during FKS arc and then in the war arc has objectively better feats, like the massive odama rasenhsuriken and the amount of rasenshuriken he throws is more than what he was able to do in the pain arc before running out of Juice (also entering sage mode way faster)
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There's also that weird databook statement MinatoGlazer posted earlier saying Naruto got stronger after talking with Kushina.
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Kurama wasn’t Six Paths Amped. Naruto was. When they aren’t in BM, their chakra is separated again.
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shit take, its the job of an editor to work with creators to produce something, nobody is carrying anyone , this is applicable to all mangaka btw, ontop of that many of the worst story choices after the land of waves come from the editors and not Kishi
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Yeah, and overall his Training from KB just increased his CC anyways, leading to his better feats.
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another interpretation you can have is that its less that sage mode got stronger and more than Naruto wasnt as experienced with the form so its basically a nerfed sage mode in the pain arc
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Maybe not Six Paths amp specifically but for some reason Kurama got WAY stronger post Hagoromo amp. We see Naruto managing to bulldoze through Kaguya's attacks with extra Chakra from Kurama. Kurama 1v1ing Toneri's Golem in the last. And the fact that Kurama is a worthwhile amp at all in Boruto.
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Bro sat down for 10 seconds and stacked SM on top of KCM2.
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beats deidara but loses to Kisame prob
MinatoSparkle
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Or it's a non linear amp
Even regular Bijuu Mode doesn't do that, their chakra is clearly linked. Also that would make the likes of Base Jiraiya relative to WA BM Bee if Jiraiya~Gamabunta~Shukaku~Gyuki, which is absolutely not the case when he shows relativity to MKCM Naruto and even in base/PT does about as well as fatigued KCM Naruto against Itachi and the Edo Jinchuriki (who's still above PA SM Naruto with a bunch of clones out)
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That’s because he’s moulded his Chakra with Naruto’s when in BM.
I know I had this discussion with someone before, but I hold that Naruto was still SR amped when he made those closes, which the scan does illustrate (Clearly still SR Amped).
The Golem was featless and would scale to from Kurama in that instance.
I’d actually argue he’s not when Naruto’s base six paths amped power completely dominates what 100% Kurama could muster. I know i’m in the minority on that, but my POV see’s that there is some wonky scaling going on regarding that…
Feel free to disregard this part though.
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Btw, why do we put so much emphasis on Nunoboku? We know Hagoromo didn’t shape or create the world with it as per the lore (The entire Era of that period is rittled with inconsistencies and retcons). It’s an unreliable statement.
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There's this whole narrative point in Boruto that Naruto is now significantly weaker after losing Kurama. The other Kages aren't even sure if Naruto can still contend with Otsutsukis.I’d actually argue he’s not when Naruto’s base six paths amped power completely dominates what 100% Kurama could muster. I know i’m in the minority on that, but my POV see’s that there is some wonky scaling going on regarding that…
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Yeah, but until that’s proven, we know Naruto’s Six Paths Chakra > 100% Kurama by leagues. I choose to err on the side of consistency.
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Boruto scalers might as well just throw in the towel and start sayin "feats dont matter, its the journey towards them that does"
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I wrote a blog explaining it that’s linked to his profile if you wanna see my rationalization.
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Ill check it out
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@Arc7Kuroi Yeah, that was a contradictory action. Obito wanted to achieve the dream world yet also wanted to kill the entire world with it? That’s antithetical to his entire goal. Could it have meant “society” like when Madara used it in reference to Naruto?
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I feel like Obito’s emotions and motives fluctuated wildly and in a moment of do or die he decided he’d destroy everything in a rage. Obviously failing
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In the context of the situation when a buddy of mine who speaks Japanese gave me the translation
In that moment it seemed Obito was so pissed he just said **** the IT plan and was gonna use the S.O.N to just nuke the planet Frieza style cause Naruto was getting to him
